Genesis 3:4, Romans 8:13,14; Mark 9:47; Matthew 7:21-23; Philippians 2:12,13 Brandon:  I want to talk about something that is going around everywhere right now. I can't turn anything on in the Christian world without hearing about this, and this is failing pastors. Wendi:  Oh my goodness every day. Who was it today, Lord, right? Unfortunately for me, the pastor thing, it makes me want to vomit.  It makes me so sad and I guess maybe because we are the product of something like that. And I just know the fallout, people devastated.  People get that headline and people you know tune in while it's the hot topic, but what they don't see is 20, 30, 40 years later, and the devastation that is still there for that family and for all the parties. And that's  what I immediately think of every single time I see another headline like that.  Brandon:  Obviously, we know sometimes even the perpetrator or the pastor that fell from the ministry, just goes on with their life and never deals with the ramifications. Not that they don't have consequences of some sort, but they never try to make things right. They never do anything to bring healing to anybody that is left holding the bag.  Obviously, this is personal to us with a dad who fell from the Ministry for lots of different reasons and uncles that fell from the ministry. Wendi:  Also, all the people that we grew up idolizing, because dad would say, you know, these heroes of the faith, the men of God; your Jack Hyles, your Bob Gray's and all of the people who have the exact same story and have done the exact same stuff. I mean, they are cut from the exact same cloth, went to the exact same preacher boy seminary. I'm not sure what they are teaching in there, but it clearly is not just in our little denominational cult.  Brandon:  When you say our little denominational cult, I'm assuming you're talking about Independent Fundamental Baptists?  So I do just want to clarify that there are good Independent Fundamental Baptist preachers and churches and people. Wendi:   Absolutely. Yeah. Brandon:   We grew up in that and saw the cult side of it, right. So I just want to make sure if there's any Independent Fundamental Baptist people watching, we're not saying everyone in the IFB world is a cult or cult leader or in a cult. Wendi:  And I honestly don't think that dad started out with that agenda. I think he thought he was called by the Lord and he had very good intentions and that's what he wanted. He wanted to help people.  I really do think it was in his heart, but as you and I have spoken many times, I think the teaching that is perpetrated among that group of leaders is so much more focused on performance and what is on the outside, that you have to make people think that you are this personification of almost perfection.