Romans 8:34; Romans 8:15; John 17:23; Romans 5:20; Romans 2:4 All we can do is pray for the same grace that we need to be giving our kids, we need from the Lord constantly. There could be 100 episodes on parenting. So as far as sticking with the topic of parenting adult children and the fact that it starts when they're kids, of course with that relationship. I know that none of us fall perfectly and balanced with just the right amount of love, just the right amount of grace, and just the right amount of truth. We all tend to go to one extreme or the other. And that's just part of the personalities that God's given us. Ultimately, we're all just grown up kids with our own issues, our own baggage, our own needs, our own hang ups and so we need help daily from the Lord. But, also from the people around us and we're asking for that relationship with other people, so that they'll understand us, right? Well, that's what our kids need, a relationship so that we can understand them. That's what we never got, was the "why" about anything. It was the list. The do's, the don'ts, the if you're doing then you're good. If you're not doing then you're not good or vice versa with the don'ts, right? Yeah. So, that's what our Christianity is all about. That's what our entire religion is based on, relationship. It is based on intimacy with the Father, Son and Holy Spirit, experiencing the joy that they have in communion with each other as John 17:23 says. Brandon: When you include your kids in your own journey, then they get to see the work that the Lord is doing in your own life because you share that you're struggling. My kids know things that God has done in my life and my personal testimony of overcoming sexual addiction level one to pornography. They know how God has poured His grace out on me. How I've been harsh and demeaning to my kids, but they've seen me grow into a more gentle, kinder, gracious person. Wendi: Lowly and gentle. Brandon: I've repented for what I have been. And you know, asked forgiveness and they've been gracious and walked with me through this and they know I'm just a man. I'm not on a pedestal with that. Wendi: That's right! Exactly… not pretending to be anything other than what you are. And yeah, and that's just being real and Carson said, the transparency of you and Kim, he's grateful. As a man now himself about to start his own marriage and family one day. It's been modeled… the good, the bad, the ugly, and the recovery from all that so he can see this didn't look great and it was way better when dad did this. That's how we're going to do it. I mean, the beautiful thing is, in both of our cases, our kids are going to be so much more prepared then we were at the start of their journey. Wendi: They will be normal. Yeah, that's what I'm going for. I was hoping my kids make it out of the house without a trauma. But I was really holding out for the grandkids to be normal, whatever that is, right. Brandon: Well, you have amazing kids and they are having great marriages and great relationships with the Lord. Wendi: They've grown up together. I love we made a vow when we got married, that our kiddos were to get to know each other and to do life together. And we have seen each other at least every year, but if not two or three times a year. Brandon: and I love that three out of your four got to come to the wedding. Poor Jax is into college baseball season-ridiculous drill sergeants’ craziness. Well, we have been going for almost an hour talking about parenting, for the most part, adult children, but parenting in general. And if you could let me know when you have it figured out that would be great. We're still trying to figure it out.