Ok this episode is with a very special guest! He is a mentor to me over many years, a long time boss, pastor and good friend Paul Bartlett.

Paul is a 'global' expert on community engagement and he embodies the everyday church and what it takes to lead one. Paul and I have worked together for a long time and love a laugh – sometimes it is hard to know when we are actually being serious.

Paul is the founder of Mobilise mobilise.au and he is using everything he has got and learnt to coach and train church leaders to make a difference in the community like never before. We also chat secret fishing spots, preaching props, aswell as the one thing Pastors need to stop doing right away.

To connect with Paul further, jump onto mobilise.au

or on instagram @_paulebartlett

To find out more about the Everyday Church Podcast you can connect with me over Instagram by DMing @josh_hammann