Eventually we'll learn to love Ben, but in this episode his intensely personal cruelty to Juliet is hard to take. At least Jack trusts her and is trying to help her (although maybe he shouldn't be). We also revisit LOST's alternate reality game, "The Lost Experience," with TV producer Ivan Askwith.

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