On episode 8 of Everyday Greatness, Barnaby will speak to one of the nicest ladies on the face of the earth & the mother of Kylie, Paul, and Jamie Kwong – Pauline Kwong, & the boy every other young bloke wanted to be who is now a proud husband and father who is just taking care of his family – Andrew Treloar. Barnaby will be speaking to them about how just being yourself IS good enough to get through challenges.

To listen go to everydaygreatness.com.au or wherever you get your podcasts and look for the episode titled "There is no typical family"