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When Joker was released, it was met with both praise and dislike. But there were some who fell in between and saw it as a tale of what society and the individual can become.
Greg and RD take this approach with the film, and try to answer, or at least discuss, the question of which came first, society creating individuals or individuals' actions creating a society?
Through two characters in Joker - Arthur Fleck and his coworker Gary - the filmmakers show that despite society's treatment of us, we are still responsible for our actions. In Joker, Arthur reacts in an exceptionally negative way towards society and allows his actions to grow increasingly worse and worse, feeling his actions justified because of his treatment by society. On the opposite side of the spectrum, Gary is pushed down and made fun of constantly by society, and yet he is the only moral and good character in the entire film. So one deeper message to pull out of Joker is that while society holds a responsibility to the individual, the individual also holds a responsibility to society.
This idea of responsibility being on both society and the individual is absolutely Biblical. While the Bible clearly states that we are responsible for our own actions, God also tells His people to pray for the cities in which they are residing because they have a religious obligation to make society better. If Christians are not trying to make society better, if we are not showing God to society, then society will make their own gods, as Gotham does for the Joker. But just as Gotham needed a savior in Batman, our society needs a savior, Jesus Christ.
In thinking about an individual's responsibility to society, Greg and RD bring up that loving our neighbors, as Jesus commanded, is thinking through how we engage everyone in our society. We as Christians have a personal and moral obligation to love everyone, including the outcasts or those who might be hard to love (someone like the Joker). While God made a good world, sin has fractured the good world He made, and even though it's only Jesus who can put the world back into place, we as Christians are commanded to try and mend the world, little by little.
With this in mind, Greg is quick to mention that there is more than one way to help mend the world, so we need to be open to ways that we might not have thought of and work together. He references the age of prohibition and how the religious conservatives and the social progressives of the day had to work together in order to amend the constitution.
In closing, RD quotes some of Acts 16, where Paul heals a slave girl of a demon in her, which lead to her masters becoming angry at Paul, as her demon was making them a profit. RD uses this as an example of how the girl was responsible for her actions, yes, but she needed Paul and the Gospel to free her from society's chains in order to turn her life around.
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When Joker was released, it was met with both praise and dislike. But there were some who fell in between and saw it as a tale of what society and the individual can become.
Greg and RD take this approach with the film, and try to answer, or at least discuss, the question of which came first, society creating individuals or individuals' actions creating a society?
Through two characters in Joker - Arthur Fleck and his coworker Gary - the filmmakers show that despite society's treatment of us, we are still responsible for our actions. In Joker, Arthur reacts in an exceptionally negative way towards society and allows his actions to grow increasingly worse and worse, feeling his actions justified because of his treatment by society. On the opposite side of the spectrum, Gary is pushed down and made fun of constantly by society, and yet he is the only moral and good character in the entire film. So one deeper message to pull out of Joker is that while society holds a responsibility to the individual, the individual also holds a responsibility to society.
This idea of responsibility being on both society and the individual is absolutely Biblical. While the Bible clearly states that we are responsible for our own actions, God also tells His people to pray for the cities in which they are residing because they have a religious obligation to make society better. If Christians are not trying to make society better, if we are not showing God to society, then society will make their own gods, as Gotham does for the Joker. But just as Gotham needed a savior in Batman, our society needs a savior, Jesus Christ.
In thinking about an individual's responsibility to society, Greg and RD bring up that loving our neighbors, as Jesus commanded, is thinking through how we engage everyone in our society. We as Christians have a personal and moral obligation to love everyone, including the outcasts or those who might be hard to love (someone like the Joker). While God made a good world, sin has fractured the good world He made, and even though it's only Jesus who can put the world back into place, we as Christians are commanded to try and mend the world, little by little.
With this in mind, Greg is quick to mention that there is more than one way to help mend the world, so we need to be open to ways that we might not have thought of and work together. He references the age of prohibition and how the religious conservatives and the social progressives of the day had to work together in order to amend the constitution.
In closing, RD quotes some of Acts 16, where Paul heals a slave girl of a demon in her, which lead to her masters becoming angry at Paul, as her demon was making them a profit. RD uses this as an example of how the girl was responsible for her actions, yes, but she needed Paul and the Gospel to free her from society's chains in order to turn her life around.
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