This episode originally aired on Feb. 14, 2023

"I moved on to the next thing I was going to write," says the noted dramatist and television writer Winnie Holzman, recalling the cancellation of her critically-acclaimed series "My So-Called Life," after just one season. "That's what we do as writers. We move on to the next thing."

Indeed. In Winnie Holzman's case, one of those "next things" turned out to be the book for the hit Broadway musical "Wicked," with music and lyrics by Stephen Schwartz—one of the longest running shows in Broadway history. The collaboration earned her a prestigious Drama Desk Award for Outstanding Book of a Musical, as well as a Tony nomination for Best Book of a Musical.

Prior to her Emmy-nominated work on "My So-Called Life," which she created for executive producers Ed Zwick and Marshall Herskovitz, Winnie wrote several scripts for the Zwick-Herskovitz drama "Thirtysomething," and she would go on to serve as executive producer of "Roadies," created by Cameron Crowe, and as co-creator of the series "Huge," with her daughter Savannah Dooley.

Join us as Winnie reflects on her wickedly successful career writing for the stage and the small screen, the many ways writers measure their successes, and the give-and-take that has fueled her collaborations with some of the most creative minds in theater and television.

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