Second Transition Podcast

In this episode Phil is joined by Jamie Beck Alexander, Director of Drawdown Labs. We also hear from Ben Franta, a physicist and historian at Stanford, who helps us understand the concept of predatory delay. Follow Jamie on Twitter: https://twitter.com/jabeckx and learn more about Drawdown Labs here: https://drawdown.org/programs/drawdown-labs

Thanks also to ClimatePod and Ben Franta for letting me use the excerpt from their conversation. Follow them both on: Twitter https://twitter.com/BenFranta and https://twitter.com/ClimatePod

On this first episode of The Second Transition, Phil talks with the inspirational Elin Kelsey, author of "Hope Matters: Why Changing the Way We Think Is Critical to Solving the Environmental Crisis." Phil and Elin discuss moving from an empty hope to evidence-based hope. We talk about "hopepunk", a new vision for making change, with a cameo by sci-fi author Alexandra Rowland, who coined the term. Elin and I also talk about vision and making change "crave-worthy." Finally, we talk about the many amazing ways that youth are reimaginging social action.

You can follow Elin Kelsey on Twitter: @elinkelsey

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