Guard rails and paved roads -- how do they fit together in application security?  Guardrails are security tools in the pipeline that help ensure the software doesn't drift too far from established standards. These guardrails allow developers to maintain their creativity and flexibility while building features that ultimately go to the customer.

Paved roads are platforms that developers can build on top of without having to worry about aspects like identity and access management. Paved roads and guardrails funnel developer activity without breaking their freedom to do what they need to do

Automation is critical in maintaining guardrails and paved roads. Automation allows for the creation of new structures and ensures that existing structures function as expected.

The episode concludes with the hosts expressing their commitment to driving down the paved roads, building more security guardrails, and making everything secure by default.

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