See See by Ceci

An exceptional episode that explores the imperfections and shadows of the human mind, its decay, suffering and redemption, featuring none other than National Book Critics Circle and National Book Award winner, and Pulitzer finalist, Andrew Solomon.

This episode takes us on a three-hour journey carried by the hand of Solomon’s captivating, direct and powerful voice, one that leads the mind down its more concealed pathways with empathy and compassion on topics such as violence, identity, depression, suicide, and the discovery of how the stories of others reveal both our own, and the fragility of the narratives we tell ourselves about otherness.

A man whose literacy and cultivated background converge with his sensitivity and humane sense of life, in this conversation Solomon generously draws on his own life experiences and on the rich and meticulous research that, more than a study, portrays a courageous and humane immersion into the worlds of others.

*Andrew Solomon is a Professor of Clinical Medical Psychology in Psychiatry at Columbia University Medical Center, an Adjunct Clinical Professor of Psychology at Weill Cornell Medical College, a Lecturer in Psychiatry at Yale Medical School, a Distinguished Associate of the Centre for Family Research at Cambridge University, and the former President of PEN America.

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In this episode of See See by Ceci, we're joined by Eben Alexander, an academic neurosurgeon for over twenty-five years, who shares one of the world's most documented near-death experiences: his own. For decades he operated on the living brain at Brigham and Women's Hospital, Children's Hospital, and Harvard Medical School in Boston. Born into a lineage of neurosurgeons and physicians (his father, himself, and now his eldest son), he was, like most in his field, a materialist: he believed the brain was both the beginning and the end of consciousness. In the autumn of 2008, that belief was undone completely.

An aggressive bacterial meningitis (E. coli meningoencephalitis) drove him into a week-long coma, his odds of survival falling to two percent with no chance of recovery. Yet with the neocortex, the seat, neuroscience insists, of all awareness, essentially offline, he experienced not nothingness but a journey of extraordinary vividness and detail. After seven days he woke, and over the following two months made a complete and inexplicable recovery: a case so unprecedented that three physicians outside his care documented it in the peer-reviewed Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease. In this intimate conversation, he walks us through that journey and the framework he has spent seventeen years building to make sense of it: the brain not as the producer of consciousness but as its filter; consciousness as primary and fundamental to the universe; memory not stored in the brain at all; and a love so vast it holds everyone and everything. Guardian angels, past lives, quantum entanglement, prayer: he asks how such things might be reconciled with science.

With reflections from Rabbi Rami Shapiro, Reverend Barbara Holmes, parapsychology researcher Dean Radin, and Jesuit theologian Felix Körner, woven together with excerpts from Dr. Alexander's Proof of Heaven.

*He is a graduate of the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill and Duke University School of Medicine, trained and taught as an academic neurosurgeon for more than twenty-five years, including fifteen on the faculty of Harvard Medical School, with appointments at Brigham and Women's Hospital, Boston Children's Hospital, Duke, the University of Massachusetts, and the University of Virginia. A specialist in cerebrovascular neurosurgery, he authored more than 150 chapters and papers in peer-reviewed journals and presented at over 230 conferences worldwide.

**Brief Excerpts from Proof of Heaven read by the author and used in this episode with permission and as courtesy of Dr. Eben Alexander.

Webpage: https://ebenalexander.com

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**LINKS:

Paper documenting his case: Khanna S, Moore LE, Greyson B. "Full Neurological Recovery From Escherichia coli Meningitis Associated With Near-Death Experience." The Journal of Nervous and Mental Disease, 2018 Sep; 206(9): 744–747.

*The paper is a retrospective medical-record review authored by three independent researchers at the University of Virginia (led by NDE researcher Bruce Greyson). Dr. Alexander is the patient/subject, and the case is presented in anonymized form (a 54-year-old man with E. coli meningitis, a 6-day coma, and a full recovery, who scored 29 of 32 on the Greyson Near-Death Experience Scale).

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In this episode of See See by Ceci, we're joined by Vikram Patel, global mental health leader, psychiatrist, and the Paul Farmer Professor and Chair of the Department of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School. He confronts a contradiction at the heart of the twenty-first-century mind: why mental health is declining in the wealthiest nations, with record resources at hand, while some of the most effective solutions are emerging from communities that have almost none.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Professor Patel walks us through what he calls the great mental health paradox and its two roots: a reductionist system that answers suffering with a prescription, and an individualism in which "disconnection is like a virus." He traces the asylum and the diagnostic manual; fifty years and tens of billions of dollars that have yielded no biomarker and no new drugs; the loneliness epidemic; the grip of poverty and inequality; and India's rise in youth suicide. Then comes his own answer: the community health worker, most often a woman, most often unpaid, trained to deliver a six-session treatment that cured two-thirds of people with severe depression and kept well years on.

With reflections from criminologist Stephen Schoenthaler, neuroscientists Rudolph Tanzi and John Cryan, jazz drummer Terri Lyne Carrington, writer Andrew Solomon, psychiatrist Richard Mollica, philosophers Paul Thagard and Stephen Cave, choreographer Alexander Whitley, sixteen-year-old activist Alexander Schmitz of Young Minds for Global Health, and three-Michelin-starred chef Eric Vildgaard, the episode gathers voices you would rarely find in one room. How minds this different meet on common ground is what we leave for the listening to reveal.

This episode is about a scientist fluent in the resources of both the biomedical clinic and the community's own healing knowledge, and about the richness of a simple truth he keeps returning to, that what makes a life well is connection, and who reminds us that when it comes to mental health, we are all developing nations. Above all, this conversation is about the most quietly radical proposition medicine can make: that the cure for much of our suffering is not somewhere out of reach, but near at hand, in the bonds we build between us.

*Vikram Patel is the Paul Farmer Professor and Chair of Global Health and Social Medicine at Harvard Medical School. He co-founded Sangath, the Indian NGO honored with WHO and MacArthur awards, has co-led two Lancet Commissions on global mental health, and is a member of the US National Academy of Medicine. His honors include the Pardes Humanitarian Prize, an Honorary OBE, the Canada Gairdner Global Health Award, and a place on Time's 100 most influential people (2015).

Vikram Patel, M.B.,B.S., Ph.D.

Paul Farmer Professor and Chair of Global Health and Social Medicine, Harvard Medical School

Head of the Department of Global Health and Social Medicine, Harvard Medical School

Professor in the Department of Global Health and Population, Harvard T.H. Chan School of Public Health

https://www.centreforglobalmentalhealth.org/about-us/our-team/professor-vikram-patel/

Recommended:

BOOK:

Where There Is No Psychiatrist: A Mental Health Care Manual (2nd ed.) by Vikram Patel and Charlotte Hanlon, Cambridge University Press, 2018.

PAPERS:

Patel, V., & Rahman, A. (2023). Empowering the (extra)ordinary. Dædalus, 152(4), 245–261. https://doi.org/10.1162/daed_a_02041

TED TALKS:

Mental health for all, by all: Vikram Patel at TEDxGateway

Vikram Patel: Mental health for all by involving all | TED Talk

Why don't we care? | Vikram Patel | TEDxLSHTM

SANGATH:

https://www.sangath.in

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In this episode of See See by Ceci, Dr Stephen Cave, philosopher of technology, intelligence and the human quest to outlive death, joins us in our Berlin studio. At heart, this episode turns on two questions most of us would sooner leave undisturbed: why do human beings insist on ranking one another, and why can we not make our peace with the fact that we die?

Academic Director of the Leverhulme Centre for the Future of Intelligence and Co-Director of the Institute for Technology and Humanity, both at the University of Cambridge, Dr Cave took his PhD in philosophy at Cambridge before spending the better part of a decade as a British Foreign Office diplomat. He is the author of Immortality: The Quest to Live Forever and How It Drives Civilization, a New Scientist Book of the Year, and, with the philosopher John Martin Fischer, Should You Choose to Live Forever?: A Debate. He is also co-editor of AI Narratives, Imagining AI and Feminist AI, all published by Oxford University Press.

In this wide-ranging conversation, Dr Cave traces the idea of "intelligence" across two and a half thousand years, from Aristotle's "natural slaves" to Francis Galton's invention of both eugenics and the IQ test, showing how so slender a concept came to serve as the perfect instrument for justifying patriarchy, colonialism and scientific racism. It is precisely this buried history, he argues, that explains the dread super-intelligent machines now inspire in us. The real peril, he suggests, lies not in what artificial intelligence might do to us, but in the deep-seated biases and failings already entrenched our societies, that is, in what we might be tempted to do to one another with it: in surveillance, in the automation of labour, and, above all, in the quiet erosion of the human relationships that hold a society together and lend our lives their meaning.

He then turns to mortality: the four stories every civilisation tells itself to outwit death, why a genuine immortality would prove a curse rather than a gift, and how our very finitude is the thing that makes a life worth living. From the Epic of Gilgamesh to Borges's deathless troglodytes, from Dorian Gray to the laboratories where great fortunes are now spent in pursuit of longer life, he asks what such a life is truly worth if it is not also a life of meaning, and warns that "work, scroll, repeat" is no less hollow at two hundred than at eighty.

This is an episode about power and the stories it tells to justify itself; about the older stories we tell to cheat death; and about a quiet, radical proposition: that to be human is not to be the cleverest thing in the room, but to know that our days are numbered, and to spend them building and delighting in our bonds with one another.

LINKS & INFORMATION:

BOOKS:

Should You Choose to Live Forever? A Debate, with John Martin Fischer (Routledge, 2023):https://www.routledge.com/Should-You-Choose-to-Live-Forever-A-Debate/Fischer-Cave/p/book/9780367343897

AI Narratives: A History of Imaginative Thinking about Intelligent Machines, co-edited with Kanta Dihal and Sarah Dillon (Oxford University Press, 2020):https://global.oup.com/academic/product/ai-narratives-9780198846666

Imagining AI: How the World Sees Intelligent Machines, co-edited with Kanta Dihal (Oxford University Press, 2023):https://global.oup.com/academic/product/imagining-ai-9780192865366

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In this episode of See See by Ceci, Rudolph Tanzi, one of the world’s most influential neuroscientists, takes us inside the mind as it builds, and as it begins to come undone. Joseph P. and Rose F. Kennedy Professor of Neurology at Harvard Medical School, director of the Genetics and Aging Research Unit and co-director of the McCance Center for Brain Health at Massachusetts General Hospital, co-founder of the Cure Alzheimer’s Fund, and named by TIME one of the 100 most influential people in the world, Tanzi co-discovered the very first Alzheimer’s genes and helped create the groundbreaking “Alzheimer’s in a Dish” model that has transformed the search for a cure.

In this luminous and deeply human conversation, Tanzi traces the disease from its first description by Alois Alzheimer in 1906 (the strange plaques and tangles no one believed could cause a mind to slip away), to the golden age of treatment now within reach. He walks us through the three pathologies of plaques, tangles and inflammation; the genes he discovered and the blood test that can now see the disease coming; the brain’s housekeeper cells, the microglia, and their Macbeth-like turn from caretakers to killers; and the kitchen-sink logic of the drugs his lab is racing to trials: turn off the tap, unclog the drain, stop the overflow. He shares SHIELD, his lifestyle plan for brain health, and the gut–brain axis that lets food become medicine for the mind.

Along the way we hear neuroscientist John Cryan on the gut microbiome and the food that feeds the brain; Cognitive neuropsychologist and Harvard Professor Alfonso Caramazza on prosopagnosia and the emotion that endures when recognition fails; four-time Grammy winner Terri Lyne Carrington and the documentary Alive Inside; photographer Domingo Milella on water, minerals and the camera obscura; parapsychology researcher Dean Radin on the taboo edges of mind; and a chorus of artists, Gregory Halpern, Marina Viotti, Andrei Ioniță, Cecilia Rivera and Kerem Hassan, on creativity, flow, and the blurring of time and space, a current that runs through Tanzi himself, a prolific musician who has recorded and performed with the likes of Aerosmith, Joe Perry and Johnny Depp.

This is an episode about a terrifying disease, and about the relentless creativity, courage and compassion working to defeat it. About what memory is, what the self is, and what remains when both are taken. And about a scientist who insists, against one of the cruellest diseases of our time, now assures us: "I'm seeing the light at the end of the tunnel."

Rudolph E. Tanzi, Ph.D. 

Faculty profile at the MassGeneral Institute for Neurodegenerative Disease:

Prof. Tanzi’s official lab page at Massachusetts General Hospital:https://www.massgeneral.org/neurology/research/genetics-aging-research-unit/tanzi-lab

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Music used in this episode with permission and as courtesy.

Original piano compositions by Rudolph E. Tanzi: "The Lost Ones", "Future Unknown", "Nitrogen", "Van Gogh", "Acceptance (for Mom)", "The Good Journey" and "Breathless". From the composer's catalogue at n1m.com/rudytanzi, made freely available by the artist. Guitar by Andrew Yoo.

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In this episode of See See by Ceci, N. Katherine Hayles, Distinguished Research Professor at UCLA, James B. Duke Professor Emerita at Duke, Guggenheim Fellow and member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences, joins us from the rare crossroads at which she has worked for forty years: literature, science, technology and, now, artificial intelligence. Trained as a chemist at Rochester and Caltech before crossing into literary scholarship, she is a foremost authority on the relations between literature and computational media, and the author of How We Became Posthuman (1999) and, most recently, Bacteria to AI: Human Futures with our Nonhuman Symbionts (University of Chicago Press, 2025).

In this rich and demanding conversation, Hayles redefines cognition as the interpretation of information in contexts that connect with meaning, a capacity she ascribes to bacteria, plants, fungi, animals and, increasingly, AI. She walks us through her integrated cognitive framework and the SIRAL criteria (sensing, interpreting, responding adaptively, anticipating, learning); through von Uexküll's umwelt, the world each species spins for itself; through cognitive assemblages in which humans, microbes and machines decide together; and through her sharp distinction between actors and agents. As a literary critic, she also turns her gaze on AI-produced literature, on hallucinations as imagination, and on Walter Benjamin's aura in the age of the deep fake.

This is an episode about the uncoupling of cognition from consciousness, Hayles' most crucial move. About a posthuman in which the human itself is being rewritten. And about the very determined optimism of a thinker who insists that hope is not the reward at the end of the work, but the precondition for it.

N. Katherine Hayles is the author of twelve influential books, including the landmark How We Became Posthuman, widely regarded as a seminal foundation for posthumanism, My Mother Was a Computer: Digital Subjects and Literary Texts (2005), Unthought: The Power of the Cognitive Nonconscious (2017), and her latest, Bacteria to AI: Human Futures with our Nonhuman Symbionts (University of Chicago Press, 2025). A member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences and recipient of fellowships from the Guggenheim Foundation, the National Endowment for the Humanities, and the Rockefeller Foundation, Hayles has transformed our understanding of the digital age.

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**Recommended Reading: **

Books

_Bacteria to AI: Human Futures with Our Nonhuman Symbionts. _Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2025. Her most recent book, developing an "integrated cognitive framework" that extends meaning-making across lifeforms from bacteria to plants, animals, humans, and some forms of artificial intelligence, framed partly as a response to ecological crisis and anthropocentrism.

Unthought: The Power of the Cognitive Nonconscious. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2017. Arguably her most important later work, expanding cognition beyond conscious thought to include nonconscious processes in both humans and machines.

How We Think: Digital Media and Contemporary Technogenesis. Chicago: University of Chicago Press, 2012. Introduces her influential idea of "technogenesis" and distinguishes close, hyper, and machine reading.

The Cosmic Web: Scientific Field Models and Literary Strategies in the Twentieth Century. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1984. Chaos Bound: Orderly Disorder in Contemporary Literature and Science. Ithaca: Cornell University Press, 1990. Her two early books, which trace scientific field models and chaos theory in twentieth-century literature and predate the digital-media work she is best known for.

Three of her most important papers

"Cognition Everywhere: The Rise of the Cognitive Nonconscious and the Costs of Consciousness" New Literary History, vol. 45, no. 2 (Spring 2014): 199–220. This is the seed essay for Unthought. It introduces the cognitive nonconscious and argues that meaning-making extends well beyond conscious thought. Freely available PDF: https://publicityreform.github.io/findbyimage/readings/hayles.pdf

"The Cognitive Nonconscious: Enlarging the Mind of the Humanities" Critical Inquiry, vol. 42, no. 4 (Summer 2016): 783–808. DOI: https://doi.org/10.1086/686950 This develops the case that the humanities need to take nonconscious cognition seriously, and is one of the central building blocks of Unthought.

"Cognitive Assemblages: Technical Agency and Human Interactions" Critical Inquiry, vol. 43, no. 1 (Autumn 2016): 32–55. This introduces her concept of the "cognitive assemblage," the idea that cognition is distributed across humans, nonhumans, and computational media. It is the chapter-length argument that Bacteria to AI later extends into the integrated cognitive framework, so it bridges both books you focused on.

In this episode of See See by Ceci, Toby Kiers, one of the world's most daring thinkers at the intersection of evolutionary biology, economics and ecology, takes us into the living web beneath our feet.

University Research Chair and Professor of Evolutionary Biology at Vrije Universiteit Amsterdam, Tyler Prize laureate, MacArthur "genius" Fellow, Spinoza Prize winner and co-founder of SPUN, the Society for the Protection of Underground Networks, Kiers has spent more than two decades asking the questions most of us never think to pose: How does a brainless organism make decisions? and, What is it like to be a fungus?

In this rich and revelatory conversation, Kiers reflects on symbiosis as the hidden driver of evolution, from the first algae crawling onto land 450 million years ago to a soybean root in a Dutch laboratory today; on cheating as a force of innovation rather than a moral failure; on the exquisite sensitivity of fungal networks that respond to vibration, breath and light; on sanctions that are swift, severe and ingenious; on what she calls "punk science", research that crosses disciplines and refuses to accept the world as given; and on the humbling moment in Ecuador when members of the Sarayaku community listened to her describe her findings and replied: Of course this is happening. We knew this! This is part of our belief!

She tells us about her team, the "underground astronauts" mapping the world beneath our feet, and about fungi as a "library of solutions" for a planet in crisis: a circulatory system that processes some 13 billion tons of carbon each year, roughly a third of all fossil fuel emissions.

Along the way, we hear former Harvard neurosurgeon Dr. Eben Alexander pose a question on the Cambrian explosion and evolutionary partnerships; we hear from Professor Katherine Hayles on the Umwelt, on actors and agents, and the uncoupling of consciousness from cognition; from ecologist Carl Safina on the cooperation between dolphins and fishermen and the worm's first aesthetic judgement; and from choreographer Alexander Whitley on the flow states that technology can both disrupt and reveal, each voice opening a new dimension of what it means to sense, to decide, and to belong on a living planet.

This is an episode about the wonder beneath the soil: biological, strategic and ancient, namely the circulatory system that connects all life on earth. About the courageous shift in mindset to acknowledge the ground we walk on not as inert matter but as intelligent beings, capable of supporting universes above their own.

**LINKS & INFO: **

@tobykiers

https://www.tobykiers.com

https://www.spun.earth

For latest scientific publications:

https://vu.nl/en/research/scientists/toby-kiers

We extend our warmest thanks to Bionics and the Wires for their kind courtesy in allowing us to feature the music selected for the excerpt by Jon Ross. Music used with permission and as a courtesy from Bionics and the Wires.

https://www.youtube.com/@BionicandtheWires

https://bionicandthewires.com

In this episode of See See by Ceci, Carl Safina, one of the world's most eloquent and mindful voices for the living Earth, MacArthur Fellowship laureate, and author of environmental classics including Beyond Words, Becoming Wild, and Alfie and Me, takes us on a journey across species and into the very nature of mind itself. Travel with us into the open ocean, the deep forest, and beyond, in the company of whales, wolves, elephants, and owls, and discover what consciousness looks like when we stop assuming it belongs only to us.

In this wide-ranging and deeply moving conversation, Safina reflects on culture and de-extinction; on cognition that thinks in echolocation, intelligence that lives in a pod's shared memory, awareness that grieves, plans, plays, and recognizes itself in another. He considers why the most astonishing thing about animals is not what we discover about them but how estranged we have become from our own world, and dwells on beauty as a fundamental force in evolution, not an ornament added once the basics are in place, but the very thing that makes the basics worth having.

This is an episode about kinship: biological, emotional, moral, and cognitive. About the courage to see the world not as ours to dominate but as a big family we all belong to.

**LINKS & INFO: **

https://www.carlsafina.org

https://www.safinacenter.org

Instagram: @csafina; @safinacenter

BOOKS:

https://www.carlsafina.org/books

https://you.stonybrook.edu/somas/?s=Carl+Safina

What is it about rhythm that dissolves separation and draws us into a shared pulse?

Few voices today carry that conviction with more authority than Terri Lyne Carrington, four-time Grammy winner, NEA Jazz Master, and one of the most vital figures in music of our time. In this conversation, she traces the search for freedom from its deepest roots to its most urgent expressions in the present.

It begins with a child at a drum kit, and a family sensing something uncanny, a story that reaches back across generations, and across oceans, to a lineage in which rhythm was never only sound, but memory, identity, and a spiritual code passed through the hands of those entrusted to keep it alive.

From there, Terri takes us into what jazz truly is at its core: a kind of liberation theology. Born of displacement and oppression, it became a communal act of survival, intellectual, radically creative, radically free. And it is in that freedom, expressed through improvisation, that something remarkable happens: boundaries begin to stretch, time itself begins to bend, and the music reaches far beyond those who first gave it voice.

But as you'll discover, Terri is not only conscious of history, she is making it. Through the Berklee Institute of Jazz and Gender Justice, she is carrying that same liberating impulse into new territory, challenging the hyper-masculine structures that have shaped jazz for decades and opening doors for voices that might otherwise have gone unheard. With this, she brings music into some of the most urgent conversations of our time: gender equality, and the building of a truly universal legacy.

A vibrant episode, infused with Terri's ancestral rhythm and potent intellect, in which she returns us to the essential elements of rhythm itself: its flow, its healing power, and its quiet, seductive pull into that spiritual place which is eternal: the present.

Why drummers are the mind's gatekeepers, and what they are guarding that is so much greater than music itself, is what this episode invites you to discover.

**LINKS & INFO: **

https://www.terrilynecarrington.com

https://college.berklee.edu/jazz-gender-justice

We extend our warmest thanks to Terri Lyne Carrington, ACT Music + Vision GmbH, Whaling City Sound, Candid Records, LLC, and Motéma Music, LLC for their kind courtesy in allowing us to feature the music selected for this episode.

MUSIC CREDITS:

Album: Jazz Is a Spirit (2002) Performed by Terri Lyne Carrington ℗ & © 2002 ACT Music + Vision GmbH Courtesy of ACT Music + Vision GmbH. Used with permission. Track used from the album: – "Journey Agent" — composed by Terri Lyne Carrington

Album: Excursions and Adventures (2020) Performed by Tim Ray, Terri Lyne Carrington, and John Patitucci ℗ & © 2020 Whaling City Sound Courtesy of Whaling City Sound. Used with permission. Tracks used from the album: – "Yours Is My Heart Alone" (from The Land of Smiles) — composed by Franz Lehár – "Nothing From Nothing" — composed by Billy Preston and Bruce Fisher – "Gone, Not Forgotten" — composed by Tim Ray – "Yo 11" — composed by Tim Ray

Album: New Standards, Vol. 1 (2022) Performed by Terri Lyne Carrington ℗ & © 2022 Terri Lyne Carrington. All rights reserved. Under exclusive worldwide license to Candid Records, LLC. Courtesy of Candid Records. Used with permission. Tracks used from the album: – "Throw It Away" — composed by Abbey Lincoln – "Unchanged" — composed by Marta Sanchez – "Wind Flower" — composed by Sara Cassey – "Ima" — composed by Anat Cohen – "Moments" — composed by Eliane Elias – "Two Hearts (Lawns)" — composed by Carla Bley

Album: We Insist 2025! (2025) Terri Lyne Carrington & Christie Dashiell (featuring Milena Casado, Morgan Guerin, Simon Moullier, and Matthew Stevens) ℗ & © 2025 Candid Records, LLC Courtesy of Candid Records. Used with permission. Tracks used from the album: – "Freedom Day (Part 1)" — composed by Max Roach, lyrics by Oscar Brown Jr. – "Triptych: Resolve / Resist / Reimagine" — composed by Terri Lyne Carrington and Christie Dashiell"

Album: Matthew Stevens (2026) Matthew Stevens (self-titled) ℗ & © 2026 Candid Records, LLC. All rights reserved. Courtesy of Candid Records. Used with permission. Track used from the album: – "Who Does She Hope To Be?" — composed by Sonny Sharrock Performed by Matthew Stevens and Terri Lyne Carrington, featuring Jeff Parker

Album: Waiting Game (2019) Terri Lyne Carrington + Social Science (featuring Esperanza Spalding, Matthew Stevens, and Aaron Parks) ℗ 2019 Ajari Music, LLC, under exclusive license to Motéma Music, LLC © 2019 Ajari Music, LLC Courtesy of Motéma Music. Used with permission. Track used from the album: – "Dreams and Desperate Measures, Pt. 2" — composed by Terri Lyne Carrington, Aaron Parks, Matthew Stevens, and Esperanza Spalding (improvised suite)

Standalone track "Can't Resist" (demo) Written, performed, and produced by Terri Lyne Carrington (all instruments performed by Terri Lyne Carrington) Demo recording, prior to the studio release ℗ & © Terri Lyne Carrington / Ajari Music Courtesy of the artist. Used with permission.

Where can I get the above-mentioned Terri Lyne Carrington’s Music?

https://www.terrilynecarrington.com

https://candidrecords.shop.musictoday.com/dept/terri-lyne-carrington?cp=114189114341114652

https://whalingcitysound.com/recordings/wcs-119-tim-ray-excursions-and-adventures/

https://motema.com/artists/terri-lyne-carrington-and-social-science/

https://www.actmusic.com/artists/terri-lyne-carrington/

For intro song Jazz Is a Spirit (2002) ©: Direct link to the album “Journey Agent©”: https://www.qobuz.com/de-de/album/jazz-is-a-spirit-terri-lyne-carrington/0614427940827

Berklee College of Music

Terri Lyne Carrington

Position: Artistic Director/Founder, Berklee Institute of Jazz and Gender Justice

https://college.berklee.edu/people/terri-lyne-carrington

https://guides.library.berklee.edu/JGJ

Scholar Papers and Scholar Information mentioned in our conversation:

Music for Abolition:

Visualizing Abolition :

Drum training induces long-term plasticity in the cerebellum and connected cortical thickness

Rojiani R, Zhang X, Noah A, Hirsch J. Communication of emotion via drumming: dual-brain imaging with functional near-infrared spectroscopy. Soc Cogn Affect Neurosci. 2018 Oct 25;13(10):1047-1057. doi: 10.1093/scan/nsy076. PMID: 30215809; PMCID: PMC6204489.

Drumming To Communicate Emotion: Dual-Brain Imaging Informs An Intervention In A Carceral Setting

Join us for a fascinating conversation with choreographer Alexander Whitley about how movement shapes consciousness and how technology transforms our perception of the world and of ourselves.In this episode, Alexander shares his vision of the body as a site of knowing and self-making. He calls it “auto-fabrication”, meaning we are continually creating ourselves through moving, sensing, perceiving, a process, he asserts, where there is creativity.

As Artistic Director of the Alexander Whitley Dance Company, Alexander places live bodies in dialogue with digital systems, staging the tension between our physical, embodied existence and the disembodied way of experiencing the world that modern technologies introduce. He explores how our experience becomes fractured, distributed spatially and temporally, and how social media creates what he calls “jittery, schizoid intervals,” a constant interruption that breaks the flow of attention into fragmented, arrhythmic patterns.

In this episode, he walks us through his productions: Antibody, on the transhumanist desire to transcend the body; Overflow, on the emotional impact of social media; Future Rites, a VR reimagining of The Rite of Spring; and his new work Mirror, inspired by Shannon Vallor’s The AI Mirror, which asks how much we absorb from what technology reflects back to us. Alex invites us to question the narratives that frame technology as either savior or destroyer, setting us into the grey area, where the real inquiry is. Be prepared to sit with a striking profound reflection: What becomes of the sensitive attunement between humans when screens mediate our bonds? Alexander reminds us that the mind is embodied, shaped by movement, rhythm, and connection. And that dance may be one of our most powerful tools for sensing what it means to be human.

*About Alexander Whitley: Award-winning choreographer and Artistic Director of the Alexander Whitley Dance Company. Trained at the Royal Ballet School; former dancer with Birmingham Royal Ballet, Rambert, and Wayne McGregor’s Random Dance. Recognised at the Critics’ Circle National Dance Awards and Sky Arts South Bank Award.

LINKS & INFO

https://www.alexanderwhitley.com

MUSIC COPYRIGHTS AND CREDITS

Music from the score created for Alexander Whitley’s production Overflow by Rival Consoles LINK TO ALBUM,. Written, Performed and Produced by Rival Consoles. Published by Erased Tapes Music. © 2021 Erased Tapes Records Ltd.

Tracks from the Overflow Album you heard in this interview courtesy of Erased Tapes Records originally commissioned for Alexander Whitley’s Overflow production:

Flow State,

These Tracks were written, Performed and Produced by Rival Consoles. Published by Erased Tapes Music. © 2021 Erased Tapes Records Ltd.

To listen to this album please use THIS LINK, which will allow you to access the whole album to buy or stream via their preferred DSP.