In your darkest time, who is there for you? What can you depend on when your life is on shaky ground? Our guest wrestled with these questions at age 22 after receiving a devastating diagnosis. Phil Zielke was diagnosed with stage 4 Hodgkin's Lymphoma and faced uncertainty and despair in the face of his new reality of fighting cancer. Phil joins Seth and Deb to share his story and how he has experienced greater intimacy with God and a desire to help others through the journey.

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