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Was Joseph Smith’s use of seer stones evidence of superstition — or of divine power?
In this episode of Informed Saints, hosts Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Dr. Gerrit Dirkmaat (BYU professor, historian, and author of From Darkness unto Light) to explore the historical sources behind the Book of Mormon translation. Together, they discuss what the witnesses saw, how early Saints understood seer stones and the Urim and Thummim, and why the very strangeness of the translation process actually strengthens, rather than weakens, the case for its divinity.
What you’ll learn:
Why Joseph’s contemporaries saw seer stones as miraculous, not fraudulent
How early accounts from Emma Smith, Martin Harris, and others describe the translation
The difference between folk magic, biblical precedent, and divine seership
Why the physical reality of the gold plates remains the strongest defense of Joseph’s calling
A faith-affirming conversation that blends history, theology, and testimony.
Here are some of the resources discussed in the episode as well as other valuable resources on this topic!
-Artwork credit to Anthony Sweat who granted permissions for us to share his incredible artwork.
Start here (official & concise)
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/seer-stones
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1
Primary sources (witnesses & early attestations)
https://rsc.byu.edu/sites/default/files/pub_content/pdf/testimony%20of%20emma%20smith.pdf
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/record/37b7b91c-4148-45d6-8f32-df4acf06fe99
https://archive.org/details/addresstoallbeli00whit
https://rsc.byu.edu/coming-forth-book-mormon/joseph-smiths-negotiations-publish-book-mormon
https://www.wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/day-in-church-history/1841-12-02
Scholarship & synthesis (faithful)
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2015/10/joseph-the-seer
https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-book/opening-the-heavens/5
Printing & publication context
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/printing-and-publishing-the-book-of-mormon
https://rsc.byu.edu/prelude-restoration/gutenberg-grandin
Recommended books (trusted Latter-day Saint scholarship)
https://rsc.byu.edu/book/darkness-unto-light
https://www.deseretbook.com/product/P6012373.html
- MacKay & Frederick — Joseph Smith’s Seer Stones (RSC)
https://rsc.byu.edu/book/joseph-smiths-seer-stones
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/22031/joseph-smith-by-richard-lyman-bushman/
Scriptural anchors
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/8
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/alma/37
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/3
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/8
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/17
Was Joseph Smith’s use of seer stones evidence of superstition — or of divine power?
In this episode of Informed Saints, hosts Jasmin Rappleye, Neal Rappleye, and Stephen Smoot sit down with Dr. Gerrit Dirkmaat (BYU professor, historian, and author of From Darkness unto Light) to explore the historical sources behind the Book of Mormon translation. Together, they discuss what the witnesses saw, how early Saints understood seer stones and the Urim and Thummim, and why the very strangeness of the translation process actually strengthens, rather than weakens, the case for its divinity.
What you’ll learn:
Why Joseph’s contemporaries saw seer stones as miraculous, not fraudulent
How early accounts from Emma Smith, Martin Harris, and others describe the translation
The difference between folk magic, biblical precedent, and divine seership
Why the physical reality of the gold plates remains the strongest defense of Joseph’s calling
A faith-affirming conversation that blends history, theology, and testimony.
Here are some of the resources discussed in the episode as well as other valuable resources on this topic!
-Artwork credit to Anthony Sweat who granted permissions for us to share his incredible artwork.
Start here (official & concise)
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics-essays/book-of-mormon-translation
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/seer-stones
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/saints-v1
Primary sources (witnesses & early attestations)
https://rsc.byu.edu/sites/default/files/pub_content/pdf/testimony%20of%20emma%20smith.pdf
https://catalog.churchofjesuschrist.org/record/37b7b91c-4148-45d6-8f32-df4acf06fe99
https://archive.org/details/addresstoallbeli00whit
https://rsc.byu.edu/coming-forth-book-mormon/joseph-smiths-negotiations-publish-book-mormon
https://www.wilfordwoodruffpapers.org/day-in-church-history/1841-12-02
Scholarship & synthesis (faithful)
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/ensign/2015/10/joseph-the-seer
https://byustudies.byu.edu/online-book/opening-the-heavens/5
Printing & publication context
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/history/topics/printing-and-publishing-the-book-of-mormon
https://rsc.byu.edu/prelude-restoration/gutenberg-grandin
Recommended books (trusted Latter-day Saint scholarship)
https://rsc.byu.edu/book/darkness-unto-light
https://www.deseretbook.com/product/P6012373.html
- MacKay & Frederick — Joseph Smith’s Seer Stones (RSC)
https://rsc.byu.edu/book/joseph-smiths-seer-stones
https://www.penguinrandomhouse.com/books/22031/joseph-smith-by-richard-lyman-bushman/
Scriptural anchors
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/pgp/js-h/1
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/mosiah/8
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/bofm/alma/37
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/3
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/8
https://www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/dc-testament/dc/17