It’s always a joy to speak with Sanduni on any and all topics. On this episode, Sandy and I discuss the pros and cons of cell phones and how our disposition toward technology also relates to our propensity of self-degradation. Another point we touched on is how our habits form our habitats and how we often get stuck in our own heads and why this self-enclosure can create a cozy torture (I smell jouissance), thus making it hard to identify that anything needs to change. We hope you enjoy this conversation!