Note: this episode was recorded before the passing of Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o.
What happens when you spend three days living with one of the most recognisable names in African literature, and the story you tell after doesn’t fit the public script?
In this episode of Sera na Sauti, we sit down with Kenyan writer Carey Baraka to talk about writing, literary memory, and the questions that followed his profile of Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o for The Guardian.
We speak about what Carey expected going in, and what actually unfolded over the three days he spent at Ngũgĩ’s home in California. From conversations about class politics in Ngũgĩ’s children’s books to the missing Kampala section that never made it into the final draft, the experience raised questions that stretched beyond the piece itself.
The conversation moves into Carey’s own relationship with writing; the slow, deliberate process of shaping a piece, the challenge of finding the right voice, and the quiet satisfaction when it finally comes together. We talk about his obsession with forgotten African writers, the literary memory of 1960s Kampala, and his frustration with how African literature often gets framed, either through the lens of global prizes or reduced to political shorthand.
Carey also reflects on the place of gossip and quiet observation in writing, the small details that shape a story, and the lines writers constantly navigate between storytelling and intrusion. And he speaks about writing as literary preoccupation, the influence of other writers, the contradictions that sit alongside the work, and the simple, personal conviction that “I am a writer before anything else, and any sort of death that ended with me remembered as a brave protester rather than a writer would be a betrayal to myself.”
📌 Key themes from the conversation:
✅ Profiling Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o, how three days in California led to a piece that sparked backlash, and what it revealed about public expectations and private lives✅ The literary memory of 1960s Kampala, and how that moment shaped a generation of East African writers, lingering quietly in Carey’s own work✅ Forgotten African writers, the personal work of tracking down names that history left behind, and what it says about how African literature is remembered✅ The Nobel Prize and literary politics, what global recognition means for African writers, and the tension between aesthetics, politics, and expectation✅ Carey’s writing process, how a piece can take months to settle, what gets cut in editing, and the search for the right tone across different publications✅ The place of gossip in writing, how quiet details, overheard moments, and ambiguity shape good storytelling, and where writers draw the line between intimacy and intrusion✅ Writing as literary preoccupation, grounded in a deep commitment to the craft, and driven by the freedom to explore ideas beyond national duty or political expectation✅ The economics of writing, from side gigs to disappearing magazines, and what it takes to keep going in an industry that rarely pays
This is not just a conversation about Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o. It is about the quieter, messier questions behind writing itself: who gets remembered, what gets published, and how stories are shaped in the hands of editors, institutions, and time. It is about the writers who came before, the ones we forget, and the ones still trying to make it work, balancing rent, rewrites, and a deep love for the craft.
📚Reading Materials:
* Ngũgĩ wa Thiong’o: three days with a giant of African literature by Carey Baraka
* Reading The Most Secret Memory of Men in Venice by Carey Baraka
* The Many Faces of Binyavanga Wainaina by Carey Baraka
* Remembering Kampala by Carey Baraka
* ‘Gossip Is at the Heart of Any Good Story’ by Carey Baraka
* Inside the Kenyan cult that starved itself to death
* Nairobi to New York and back: the loneliness of the internationally educated elite by Carey Baraka
* Carey Baraka’s Website
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