Serves You Right

Opening a restaurant without understanding restaurant profit margins, food cost percentage, labor cost control, cash flow management, and break-even modeling is not brave. It’s reckless. Most owners believe they’re losing money because they’re not busy enough. The truth is harsher and far far far more useful.

In this episode, Kasey Anton explains why restaurant owners confuse effort with results, spotting trends that will shut down a restaurant, and why waiting for profit at the bottom of the P&L almost guarantees debt and failure. 

If your current strategy relies on hoping sales will fix everything, working longer hours, or trusting that passion will carry you through, this episode delivers the uncomfortable correction you need and the system that actually works.

Expect to Learn:

• The mindset error that makes profitable restaurants impossible
• Why being a great cook can sabotage your business before opening day
• The simple math test that exposes a bad restaurant concept instantly
• How one percentage quietly puts owners hundreds of thousands in debt
• The cash system that forces profit even when sales are unpredictable

Links:

• Spark Business Consulting
• Profit First for Restaurants Book
• Kasey Anton’s Site

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. Check out the Podcast Website ⁠⁠⁠Here⁠⁠⁠ and get in touch with me!

Classic Episodes You May Like:

• #22:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Doug Frost MW MS⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #23:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jeffrey Morgenthaler⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #38:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #39:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on Intoxication⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #46:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andrew Hurley of Vegas.Wine⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Opening a restaurant without knowing how to cook consistently sounds reckless. But that is exactly how Chef Joseph Wrede built one of Santa Fe’s most respected kitchens. This episode dives into restaurant ownership, becoming a professional chef, American fine dining, kitchen leadership, and what culinary consistency really means over thousands of services. And profanity. Lot’s of profanity.

Most aspiring chefs believe creativity, trends, or raw talent are what separate amateurs from professionals. Joseph argues the opposite. Your current approach is flawed if you chase inspiration before discipline. The real divide is whether you can repeat excellence under pressure, lead a team without ego, and survive the physical and mental toll of hospitality long enough to refine your craft.

Through stories from Taos, Santa Fe, Food and Wine recognition, failed partnerships, and decades on the line, dyslexia, and more, this episode reveals why restaurants succeed or collapse and why mastery in kitchens mirrors mastery in life.

Expect to Learn

• The moment Joseph realized being “good at cooking” was not enough
• Why consistency is the real skill behind elite restaurants
• The mistake young chefs make when they chase trends instead of technique
• How discipline quietly outperforms talent in hospitality careers
• The hidden cost of ego, partying, and ignoring physical limits

Links

• Joseph’s Culinary Pub: Santa Fe, 428 Agua Fria Street, Santa Fe
• Food and Wine Best New Chef Awards

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. Check out the Podcast Website ⁠⁠Here⁠⁠ and get in touch with me!

Classic Episodes You May Like:

• #22:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Doug Frost MW MS⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #23:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jeffrey Morgenthaler⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #38:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #39:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on Intoxication⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #46:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andrew Hurley of Vegas.Wine⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

In this episode, I sit down with Sudi (AKA Rick) Karatas, author of How Catering Sucked the Life Right Out of Me, a working caterer, writer, actor, and lifelong observer of human behavior around various buffets. Sudi has spent decades inside high-end events most people only see for a few hours, serving celebrities, working million-dollar parties, and watching how power, money, and entitlement actually behave when the food comes out.

Catering work, hospitality burnout, food waste in events, restaurant vs catering jobs, and creative survival jobs all collide in this episode. Most people assume catering is easier than restaurant work. More flexible. Less pressure. Fewer consequences. 

From unpaid breaks and discarded food to five-million-dollar children’s parties and celebrity rehearsals, he exposes how catering quietly amplifies everything in hospitality. The systems reward excess, normalize waste, and slowly disconnect workers from meaning, even while offering freedom on paper.

Expect to Learn

• Why catering waste is not accidental but structurally guaranteed
• The hidden reason catering feels harder than restaurants over time
• The moment walking off a shift becomes the only rational move
• How “flexibility” can quietly trap creative people for decades
• What guests do at catered events that instantly irritate

Links

• Sudi Rick Karatas official website
• How Catering Sucked the Life Right Out of Me
• Sudi Rick Karatas on YouTube
• Sudi Rick Karatas on Instagram
  

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. Check out the Podcast Website ⁠Here⁠ and get in touch with me!

Classic Episodes You May Like:

• #22:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Doug Frost MW MS⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #23:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jeffrey Morgenthaler⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #38:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #39:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on Intoxication⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #46:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andrew Hurley of Vegas.Wine⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Most people fantasize about owning a bar. Very few survive it. Chris Schneider did both. He built thriving spots, faced the fires, lost money, rebuilt, adapted, and tells the truth so nobody else walks in blind. This conversation occurs in a space where most hospitality people avoid…because the reality is uncomfortable and loud.

Chris Schneider joins Serves You Right for a raw, inside look at what separates a thriving bar from a slow financial death spiral. Chris grew up in one of Indiana’s top restaurants, watched it fall apart, opened his own bar at twenty two, and learned the hard way how fragile the business really is. This episode is a must listen if you’ve ever thought about opening a bar.

You’ll hear why most people should never open a bar. You’ll understand why bad bosses stay bad and how to spot them long before your career gets dragged down with them. You’ll get the real math behind beer yields, theft, training gaps, and the invisible leaks that drain thousands every month.

Expect to Learn

•  The subtle green flags that reveal a great boss and the red flags that never lie
•  Why most aspiring owners choose concepts the market doesn’t want
•  The culture shift from old school chaos to today’s professional standard
•  How small keg losses turn into tens of thousands gone each year
• The difference between harmless perks and real theft
•  Why training is everything and ignorance is more expensive than malice
•  How slow changes outperform big overhauls in neighborhood bars
•  The real path to funding a bar without destroying your life

Links

• Chris’s book: How to Make Top Shelf Profits in the Bar Business
• Bar Business Podcast
• Bar Business Coach

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. Check out the Podcast Website Here and get in touch with me!

Classic Episodes You May Like:

• #22:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Doug Frost MW MS⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #23:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jeffrey Morgenthaler⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #38:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #39:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on Intoxication⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠
• #46:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Andrew Hurley of Vegas.Wine⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Kelli White has spent her career translating the mystique of wine into something real, personal, and alive. From working the floor at Veritas to writing for GuildSomm and publishing monumental books, she’s seen every side of the industry, and she’s tired of seeing people feel small around a glass of wine.

This episode dives deep into the psychology of taste, the myth of “right and wrong” pairings, and the subtle power that comes from understanding the world’s most romantic beverage. Kelli shares stories from her early days running a wine shop filled with musicians, lessons from Napa’s vineyards, and how one simple glass of Châteauneuf-du-Pape changed her life.

Whether you’re a sommelier, a server, or just someone who wants to love wine without the pressure, this is your guide to doing it with grace, intelligence, and joy.

Expect to Learn:

• Why smell drives the majority of flavor (and how to train it)
• How to tell the difference between preference and quality
• The truth about wine “rules” and which ones to ignore
• Why your wine glass obsession might be pointless
• How to explore wine systematically without getting lost
• The mindset shift that turns wine knowledge into real-world power
• What “fine wine must be grown” really means
• How choosing wine can reveal character, leadership, and social awareness

Links:

• Wine Confident by Kelli White 
• Napa Valley, Then & Now  
• GuildSomm Articles by Kelli White (Free Access)

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. You can find more of my work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠my blog⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and all my social links are at the bottom of that page.

Classic Episodes You May Like:

-#22:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Doug Frost MW MS⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#23:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jeffrey Morgenthaler⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#38:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#39:⁠⁠⁠⁠Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on Intoxication⁠⁠⁠⁠

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Ever tasted a whiskey that once contained radiator rust and antifreeze? That’s not a nightmare, it’s history. Washington’s spirits have been forged in fire, fraud, and fierce reinvention.

Washington’s drinking history is wilder than you’ve been told. Author Becky Garrison joins to discuss her book Distilled in Washington and the untold saga of spirits in the Pacific Northwest. From fur traders weaponizing whiskey against Native peoples to prohibition-era moonshiners cutting booze with antifreeze, the story isn’t neat. It’s messy and deeply human.

We trace the journey from frontier chaos through control-state laws, raids that barely drew blood, and into today’s renaissance of American single malt whiskey. Along the way: forgotten women distillers, immigrant vineyard owners deported on technicalities, and the modern gin and rye revolutions reshaping the Northwest.

Becky’s reporting captures not just the drinks but the people, the place, and the fight for community inside every bottle.

Expect to Learn:

• Why Washington’s prohibition era was more “wink and fine” than Al Capone bloodshed
• How antifreeze, radiator rust, and more ended up in moonshine
• The surprising role of women and Native peoples in distilling’s hidden history
• Why American single malt whiskey is exploding in the Pacific Northwest
• How laws meant to help small producers often crushed them instead
• Why craft distilling today feels more like family than factory

Links:

Becky Garrison’s Website

Distilled in Washington (Arcadia Publishing)

Becky on Instagram: @becky_garrison 

Becky on Substack: Gaslighting for God 

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. You can find more of my work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠my blog⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and all my social links are at the bottom of that page.

Classic Episodes You May Like:

-#22:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Doug Frost MW MS⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#23:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jeffrey Morgenthaler⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#38:⁠⁠⁠⁠Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#39:⁠⁠⁠Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on Intoxication⁠⁠⁠

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Stefano Catino didn’t just open bars, he redefined what hospitality looks like in Australia. From Maybe Frank to the award-winning Maybe Sammy, his vision has put Sydney on the global cocktail map.

In this conversation, we explore how an Italian kid who grew up in his father’s restaurant went on to shape one of the most admired bar groups in the world. Stefano shares stories of mentorship, risk-taking, resilience, and the surprising philosophies that keep his venues buzzing with life.

Hear about the Rat Pack origins of the word “Maybe,” the behind-the-scenes challenges of building an empire, and why clean cocktails and strong values outlast every trend. Whether you’re in hospitality, entrepreneurship, or just love a great drink, Stefano’s story will inspire you to think bigger.

Expect to Learn:

• Why “Maybe” became the brand philosophy behind Stefano’s bars
• How a failed pizzeria turned into an award-winning cocktail destination
• The surprising truth about talent, freedom, and leadership in hospitality
• What Americans don’t know about Australia’s cocktail and coffee culture
• The pandemic pivot that saved his business and shaped its future
• Why the best bartenders are returning to simple, classic cocktails

Suggested Links

• Maybe Group Website
• Maybe Sammy Cocktail Festival

On Instagram:

• @stefanocatino
• @maybe_sammy_sydney
• @maybefranksydney
• @deanandnancyon22
• @elprimosanchezsydney
• @maybe_cocktail_festival

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. You can find more of my work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠my blog⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and all my social links are at the bottom of that page.

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As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Kate Holowchik, owner of Lionheart Confections, is redefining what it means to be a pastry chef. From secret-flavor donuts that sell out in minutes to navigating the brutal reality of toxic kitchen culture, Kate’s journey is both heartbreaking and uplifting.

In this episode, we dive into the artistry and grit it takes to survive in hospitality. Kate reveals how family traditions shaped her love for food, why she refuses to sacrifice quality for scale, and the hard truth about mental health in professional kitchens. She also shares the behind-the-scenes story of Lionheart’s rise during the pandemic, the mistakes that nearly derailed her, and what it feels like to finally be recognized with a Best of Boston award.

Expect to Learn:

• The dark side of restaurant culture most chefs never talk about
• How a decade of failed recipes led to the perfect donut
• Why nostalgia is the most powerful flavor in food
• The brutal realities of opening a business during a pandemic
• How to walk away from toxic environments and still win big
• What it takes to build community through pop-ups and coffee shop partnerships

Links:

• Lionheart Confections on Instagram 
• Idlehands Brewery
• Boston Magazine Best of Boston  

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. You can find more of my work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠my blog⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and all my social links are at the bottom of that page.

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As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Sother Teague is not your average bartender. A former chef, teacher, and researcher, he built Amor y Amargo into a shrine to bitters and stirred drinks. His philosophy is simple: do one thing with ruthless focus and let the craft speak for itself.

In this conversation we trace his journey from culinary classrooms to world-class cocktail bars, unpack the science of why humans fear and then crave bitterness, and explore how naming, ritual, and repetition shape culture behind the bar. Along the way Sother drops stories about teaching, creating drinks that never die, and why your environment should dictate your order.

If you care about flavor, hospitality, or the hidden psychology of taste, this episode is for you. 

Expect to Learn

• Why bitterness was once a survival warning and how it became a pleasure
• How radical focus built one of New York’s most iconic bars
• The surprising gender split in how palates evolve over time
• Why craft is repetition and what Bruce Lee can teach bartenders
• How aquafaba and other kitchen hacks reshape classic cocktails
• Why a cocktail’s name might matter more than its recipe
• How to build a personal Rolodex of flavors that makes creativity effortless
• Why knowing where you drink is just as important as what you drink

Suggested Links

• Amor y Amargo
• The Speakeasy on Heritage Radio Network  
• Sother’s Book on Amazon

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. You can find more of my work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠my blog⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and all my social links are at the bottom of that page.

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-#23:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠Jeffrey Morgenthaler⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#38:⁠Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze⁠

-#39:Edward Slingerland's Masterful work on Intoxication

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers

Why do humans risk so much, and sacrifice so greatly, for alcohol? In this provocative episode with Edward Slingerland, we explore the hidden evolutionary functions of intoxication. Drawing on philosophy, history, and cutting-edge science, Slingerland reveals how alcohol has acted as a cultural technology for creativity, cooperation, and community.

From wu-wei in the East to Viking binge drinking, from Southern European rituals to the rise of cannabis culture, this conversation challenges everything you think you know about intoxication. We dig into why distilled liquor is uniquely dangerous, why loneliness may be worse for your health than alcohol, and why society might actually need intoxication to thrive.

This isn’t a celebration or a condemnation. It’s a deeper truth about who we are and why humans have always sought ways to step outside themselves.

Expect to Learn:

• Why alcohol is best understood as a cultural technology rather than an evolutionary mistake
• The surprising role of wu-wei and philosophy in understanding intoxication
• Why humans are uniquely dependent on creativity fueled by temporary irrationality
• How alcohol helps us solve cooperation dilemmas and build trust with strangers
• The hidden danger of distilled liquor and private drinking in modern culture
• Why Southern European drinking rituals offer a model for safer alcohol use
• How the rise of cannabis is reshaping intoxicant culture for Gen Z
• Why loneliness is more dangerous than alcohol
• Why restaurants and bars may be saving lives

Links: 

• Edward's Website

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I talk mostly to people in and around the service industry space. I'm looking to hear from the people I wish I could have talked to when I was coming up in restaurants. Said another way: I am trying to make sense of this wild, beautiful mess of a life, and help others that are feeling similarly confused and/or lost. You can find more of my work at⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠my blog⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, and all my social links are at the bottom of that page.

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-#31:⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ET: Entrepreneur (and creator of Surfer on Acid)⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

-#38:Aaron Goldfarb Hunting for Ancient Booze

As always, I’m just here taking notes, trying to figure out what it all means.

Cheers