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  • Flashback Friday Ep72 - Passion & Profit: The Hidden Secrets to Success in Residential Assisted Living

    In today's Flashback Friday episode,we have the pleasure of introducing Carline Cadet Francios as our guest. She will be sharing her remarkable journey, highlighting her deep passion for her business, and unraveling the concealed strategies that lead to success in the field of Residential Assisted Living.

    Join as us we deep dive into the world of Residential Assisted Living, where individuals are not only driven by their passion for caregiving but also seek to attain financial success in the process!

    Carline Cadet Francios is a first-generation Real Estate Investor & ALF Mentor who empowers individuals to open and operate successful Assisted Living Facilities (ALFs). Her ALF owner and operator expertise guides clients in creating profitable and desirable environments. Through education and hard work, Carline helps others achieve generational wealth and make a positive impact. She is also the author of the book "Money Saving: Step by Step Guide on How to Open an Assisted Living Facility from Start to Finish," offering comprehensive insights for aspiring ALF owners.


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    Interested in investing in small multifamily? 

    Learn more about The Microfamily Mavericks mentorship program here:

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    Carline’s  book and free resources 

    https://carlinecadetfrancois.com/


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    Key Quotes:

    “I have this weird thing once I see something that I want and I see how it can impact me, my generation and others, like there's no giving up. There's giving up and leaving it for later because there's obstacles?. That is not in my dictionary and I teach that to my children.” 

    - Carline Cadet Francios

    “ I think sometimes people are petty because they wanna sit back and laugh and see how many times this lady have to send an email or come back. But what they fail to realize is once this lady get what she wants, she gets her freedom and she makes the money that she wants to make. And you're still where you are.” - Carline Cadet Francios

    Connect with Carline!

    You can find her on

    Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/carlinecadetfrancois/

    Or Visit her website : https://carlinecadetfrancois.com/

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    Let’s get connected! 

    You can find Nicole on 

    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-pendergrass/

    Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nvestornikki/?hl=en

    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nvestornikki

    or Visit her website https://noirvestholdings.com 

    LEAVE A REVIEW & SHARE THE WEALTH by SHARING this EPISODE with someone who wants to learn the secret strategies of the wealthy and build an abundant life. You can listen to previous episodes of Share the Wealth Show here.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/share-the-wealth-show/id1622218163

    49 min
  • Say NO To Overwhelm! Easily Master Market Selection in 3 Simple Steps

    Join Our Free Small Multifamily Facebook Group - The Microfamily Initiative

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    Microfamily Millionaire Ep 18
    In this insightful episode, Nicole shares her L3 Market Mapping Framework, designed to help new investors choose the right market for their multifamily investments without getting overwhelmed by data overload. If you’ve ever found yourself stuck in "analysis paralysis" or jumping between markets, trying to find the best deal, this episode is for you!
    Nicole breaks down a simple three-step framework—Likeability, Logistics, and Longevity—that will help you focus on what matters most when picking a market that fits your personal goals and investment strategy. No more staring at endless charts and graphs or getting bogged down by data; this method helps you get moving and start analyzing properties faster!
    Listen in to learn why it’s important to choose ONE market to dive into and how you can build expertise and grow your portfolio strategically. Plus, Nicole offers a free bonus guide to help you take action right away.
    Don’t miss this episode if you’re serious about multifamily investing and want to simplify your market selection process!
    📧 For our free L3 Market Mapping Roadmap, email “market map” to [email protected]
    📧 For more info on how to get one-on-one help on your microfamily journey, email “One-on-One” to [email protected]
    or visit
    https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy
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    #RealEstateMarket #Markets #MarketResearch #MarketAnalysis #AnalysisParalysis #MarketData #RealEstateInvesting #FinancialFreedom #LifeGoals #MultifamilyMillionaire #value #buildwealth #multifamily #buyrealestate #buymultifamily #investingstrategy #investingforbeginners #investing101 #millionaire #newinvestor #investor #invest #growwealth #realestate #realestateinvestment #multifamilypodcast #blackwealth #minoritywealth #sharethewealthshow #microfamilymavericks #mentorship #LikeMinded #LikeMindedCommunity

    23 min
  • P1 - Forget Multifamily Syndications – Duplexes Are The Cash Flow Hack

    STWS Ep 108: P1 -

    Join our podcast community - The Wealth Exchange Network!  https://www.skool.com/the-wealth-exchange-network-9182/about


    In this episode of the Share the Wealth Show, join us as Tiffany Ward reveals why duplexes are outperforming multifamily syndications when it comes to cash flow. Tiffany shares how she strategically balances her W-2 job with real estate investing and explains the power of duplexes for consistent monthly income.

    Here’s what you'll learn:🏡 Forget multifamily syndications: Why duplexes are her top cash flow assets💰 Immediate vs. delayed returns: Get paid every month versus waiting for years with syndications🔑 Airbnb vs. long-term rentals: How one short-term rental boosts her profits📊 High-interest markets don’t stop her: Cash flowing with rates around 8.4%⚒️ Value-add strategies that work: Simple renovations that bring in $1,000/month per unit💼 Private vs. hard money lending: How she leverages these tools to close deals


    Tune in to this episode to discover how Tiffany makes duplexes her secret cash flow hack—and how you can too! 🎧


    Tiffany Ward is a mother, CrossFit coach, and accomplished real estate investor. By day, she excels as a sales professional at a Fortune 100 company, and by night, she’s building wealth through strategic real estate investments. Tiffany began her real estate journey at 23 when she purchased a foreclosure in Virginia. She moved into the property and house-hacked her way to reducing expenses while increasing her investable capital. In 2019, she transitioned into multifamily investing, successfully participating as a Key Principal in her first out-of-state apartment deal. Passionate about wealth creation, Tiffany founded the RVA Multifamily Investor Group in Richmond, Virginia, where she educates and empowers others to explore the benefits of multifamily real estate investments.


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    Interested in investing in small multifamily? 

    Learn more about The Microfamily Mavericks mentorship program here:

    https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy 


    Check out our podcast website!

    Thesharethewealthshow.com     


    Want to leave feedback or suggestions on our show?

    Take our survey: https://s.surveyplanet.com/c1xu5qdv 


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    Key Quotes:

    “Multifamily is a long-term game. You don't see real money until you refinance or sell, but with duplexes, the cash flow keeps you going month to month.” - Tiffany Ward


    “The more doors you have, the easier it is to spread income across tenants. That’s why I love duplexes—they cash flow better and faster than my multifamily investments.”  - Tiffany Ward



    Connect with Tiffany Ward!

    LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/tiffanymward/ Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/wealthwithtiffany/ 



    Let’s get connected! 

    You can find Nicole on 

    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-pendergrass/

    Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nvestornikki/?hl=en

    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nvestornikki

    or Visit her website https://noirvestholdings.com 


    LEAVE A REVIEW & SHARE THE WEALTH by SHARING this EPISODE with someone who wants to learn the secret strategies of the wealthy and build an abundant life. You can listen to previous episodes of Share the Wealth Show here.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/share-the-wealth-show/id1622218163

    38 min
  • Flashback Friday Ep71 - Rehabbing Like A Boss: The Art of Vetting Contractors & Building Loyalty

    Welcome back to the Share the Wealth Show! In today's Flashback Friday episode, we welcome back Avriel DuVerney as she continues to impart her invaluable insights. In this conversation, we will unravel the secrets behind successful property rehab projects, where precision in selecting contractors meets the art of fostering unwavering loyalty within your construction team.

    Property rehabbing isn't merely about transforming structures; it's a harmonious blend of vetting the right professionals to do the job and ensuring they are committed to the project's success. These two pillars, contractor vetting, and building team loyalty, are the cornerstones of thriving in the competitive world of property rehabilitation.

    Join us as we explore the intricacies of these essential practices that will empower you to rehab like a true boss!

    Avriel DuVerney is the real estate visionary on the path to redefine generational wealth for investors. As a 20-year veteran, now highly recognized real estate investor, Avriel owns Stone 2 Stone Solutions, Inc., a real estate business solutions and property management agency that specializes in driving revenue growth and increasing market share through strategic analysis, partnerships, acquisition/retention, and cost development.

    On a mission to make real estate investing accessible to all, Avriel is leading the way in providing top tier education and coaching to new and rising investors. With her own fast-growing portfolio of properties, Avriel to date has been influential in securing and flipping over $2.6M in real estate. As the Conference host and the investing guru behind the new real estate investing course, Sidelines to Success – she will personally teach, coach, and support the new generation of real estate investors.

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    Interested in investing in small multifamily? 

    Learn more about The Microfamily Mavericks mentorship program here:

    https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy 


    Check out our podcast website!

    Thesharethewealthshow.com     


    Want to leave feedback or suggestions on our show?

    Take our survey: https://s.surveyplanet.com/c1xu5qdv

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    Key Quotes:

    “Wealth means the freedom to be able to do what I want to do. Wealth is not just the monetary side of it, but wealth is time and freedom.” - Avriel DuVerney

    “I do think that diversification is important. I'm always trying to find something to diversify my portfolio, but I wanna make sure that they all make sense and they all can co-mingle together.” - Avriel DuVerney

    Connect with Avriel!

    You can find her on

    Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/avrielduverney/ 

    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/avriel.duverney 

    Instagram https://instagram.com/avriel4ev 

    Or Visit her website :https://s2ssolutionsinc.com/ 

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    Let’s get connected! 

    You can find Nicole on 

    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-pendergrass/

    Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nvestornikki/?hl=en

    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nvestornikki

    or Visit her website https://noirvestholdings.com 

    LEAVE A REVIEW & SHARE THE WEALTH by SHARING this EPISODE with someone who wants to learn the secret strategies of the wealthy and build an abundant life. You can listen to previous episodes of Share the Wealth Show here.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/share-the-wealth-show/id1622218163 

    42 min
  • My First Multifamily House Hack - The Unsuccess Story That Changed Everything

    Want to buy your first small multifamily? Need one-on-one help? Learn how here https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy

    Microfamily Millionaire Ep 17
    In this episode, Nicole opens up about her very first house hack — a three-unit multifamily property in the Bronx that she refers to as the "unsuccess story" that ultimately changed her investment career. While this deal had many bumps, from financing issues to unexpected repairs, it became a foundational learning experience that set her up for future success. Tune in as she shares 5 key lessons learned from this deal that will help you avoid making the same mistakes on your own multifamily journey.
    If you haven’t yet subscribed to our parent podcast Share The Wealth Show, SUBSCRIBE to this channel and LIKE this episode!
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    Join our podcast community and learn the wealth building strategies we talk about in the show!
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    #HouseHack #HouseHacking #RealEstateInvesting #FinancialFreedom #LifeGoals #MultifamilyMillionaire #value #buildwealth #multifamily #buyrealestate #buymultifamily #investingstrategy #investingforbeginners #investing101 #millionaire #newinvestor #investor #invest #growwealth #realestate #realestateinvestment #multifamilypodcast #blackwealth #minoritywealth #sharethewealthshow #microfamilymavericks #mentorship

    26 min
  • P2 - Fire Your Boss: How They Scaled From Single-Family to Multifamily to Freedom

    EP 106: P2 -

    In this episode of the Share the Wealth Show, we welcome back the power couple 💼✨, Candice and Corey Muldrow as they dive into the current real estate market 🏡📊. Whether you're a small or large investor, they share valuable insights on raising capital 💰 and building effective partnerships 🤝.
    Don’t miss this episode packed with inspiration and actionable strategies! 🚀
    Candice and Corey, the dynamic duo behind M Group Capital, have transformed underperforming assets and vertically integrated property management. Candice excels in marketing and operations, while Corey focuses on financial analysis and strategy. Candice, with a background in media and corporate leadership, retired from corporate America in 2019 and now oversees the property management arm of M Group Capital. Corey, the CEO of M Group Capital, is an active member of the Texas and National Apartment Associations, holding a CAPS designation. Together, they lead a growing real estate portfolio that’s improving resident experiences and achieving award-winning results.
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    Interested in investing in small multifamily?
    Learn more about The Microfamily Mavericks mentorship program here:
    https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy
    Check out our podcast website!
    Thesharethewealthshow.com
    Want to leave feedback or suggestions on our show?
    Take our survey: https://s.surveyplanet.com/c1xu5qdv
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    Connect with Candice and Corey!
    You can find them on:
    Company: https://www.mgroupcapital.com
    Candice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/candicemuldrow/
    Corey LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreymuldrow/
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    Let’s get connected!
    You can find Nicole on
    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-pendergrass/
    Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nvestornikki/?hl=en
    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nvestornikki
    or Visit her website https://noirvestholdings.com
    LEAVE A REVIEW & SHARE THE WEALTH by SHARING this EPISODE with someone who wants to learn the secret strategies of the wealthy and build an abundant life. You can listen to previous episodes of Share the Wealth Show here.
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/share-the-wealth-show/id1622218163

    37 min
  • Flashback Friday Ep70 - Breaking Barriers: How a Black Woman Rehabber Built a Flourishing Business

    Welcome back to the Share the Wealth Show! In today's Flashback Friday episode, we have the privilege of sitting down with Avriel DuVerney an incredible entrepreneur whose journey is incredibly inspiring. Join us as we delve into the life and accomplishments of a remarkable Black woman rehabber who has not only broken barriers but also built a flourishing business in a male-dominated industry.


    Avriel DuVerney is the real estate visionary on the path to redefine generational wealth for investors. As a 20-year veteran, now highly recognized real estate investor, Avriel owns Stone 2 Stone Solutions, Inc., a real estate business solutions and property management agency that specializes in driving revenue growth and increasing market share through strategic analysis, partnerships, acquisition/retention, and cost development.


    On a mission to make real estate investing accessible to all, Avriel is leading the way in providing top tier education and coaching to new and rising investors. With her own fast-growing portfolio of properties, Avriel to date has been influential in securing and flipping over $2.6M in real estate. As the Conference host and the investing guru behind the new real estate investing course, Sidelines to Success – she will personally teach, coach, and support the new generation of real estate investors.


    ________________________________

    Interested in investing in small multifamily?
    Learn more about The Microfamily Mavericks mentorship program here:
    https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy

    Check out our podcast website!
    Thesharethewealthshow.com

    Want to leave feedback or suggestions on our show?
    Take our survey: https://s.surveyplanet.com/c1xu5qdv

    ________________________________


    Key Quotes:

    “Regardless to what life gives you and life may knock you down a couple of times, you still just get back up because as you go through real estate it's gonna be something that you're gonna have to endure, if you wanna stay in this game, because real estate is tough, entrepreneurship is tough.” - Avriel DuVerney


    “I say to anyone that's going out here and you really and truly don't know, I'm telling you, you need to get a coach, you need to get a mentor, so, you don't make the same mistakes that some of us have already made.” - Avriel DuVerney


    Connect with Avriel!

    You can find her on

    Linkedin https://www.linkedin.com/in/avrielduverney/ 

    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/avriel.duverney 

    Instagram https://instagram.com/avriel4ev 

    Or Visit her website :https://s2ssolutionsinc.com/ 


    ___________________________________________

    Let’s get connected! 

    You can find Nicole on 

    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-pendergrass/

    Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nvestornikki/?hl=en

    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nvestornikki

    or Visit her website https://noirvestholdings.com 


    LEAVE A REVIEW & SHARE THE WEALTH by SHARING this EPISODE with someone who wants to learn the secret strategies of the wealthy and build an abundant life. You can listen to previous episodes of Share the Wealth Show here.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/share-the-wealth-show/id1622218163 

    46 min
  • Your Life Goals Are Your Glass Ceiling

    Microfamily Millionaire Ep 16
    In this episode, Nicole dives deep into the often-skipped but critical step of aligning your life goals with your multifamily real estate journey. 🏘️✨ She breaks down how thinking like a child—dreaming big and saying "How can I?" instead of "I can’t"—can unlock opportunities you may not have considered. Learn why multifamily investing is more than just cash flow—it's a way to build the lifestyle you've always wanted! 🌟
    Whether you're just starting out or scaling up, don't miss this episode if you want to create a roadmap that fits YOUR life! Tune in for inspiration, real-world advice, and strategies for achieving freedom through real estate. 🎧
    If you haven’t yet subscribed to our parent podcast Share The Wealth Show, SUBSCRIBE to this channel and LIKE this episode!
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    Join our podcast community and learn the wealth building strategies we talk about in the show!
    https://www.skool.com/the-wealth-exchange-network-9182/about
    Interested specifically in buying small multifamily? Need help buying your first one??? Learn more about private one-on-one mentorship here! https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy


    #RealEstateInvesting #FinancialFreedom #GoalSetting #LifeGoals #MultifamilyMillionaire #value #buildwealth #multifamilyacquisitions #buyrealestate #multifamily #investingstrategy #investingforbeginners #investing101 #millionaire #newinvestor #investor #invest #growwealth #realestate #realestateinvestment #multifamilypodcast #blackwealth #minoritywealth #sharethewealthshow #microfamilymavericks #mentorship

    17 min
  • P1 - Fire Your Boss: How They Scaled From Single-Family to Multifamily to Freedom

    Ep 106 P1 -

    Join our podcast community - The Wealth Exchange Network! https://www.skool.com/the-wealth-exchange-network-9182/about


    In this episode of the Share the Wealth Show, we welcome Candice and Corey Muldrow, founders of M Group Capital, as they share their journey from buying their first investment property 🏡 while planning their wedding 💍 to scaling from single-family homes to multifamily investments.

    Learn how a mentorship group boosted their success 📈, how they tackled the challenges of raising capital 💰, and why they decided to bring property management in-house.

    Tune in to hear how they gained confidence and financial freedom! 🔥

    Candice and Corey, the dynamic duo behind M Group Capital, have transformed underperforming assets and vertically integrated property management. Candice excels in marketing and operations, while Corey focuses on financial analysis and strategy. Candice, with a background in media and corporate leadership, retired from corporate America in 2019 and now oversees the property management arm of M Group Capital. Corey, the CEO of M Group Capital, is an active member of the Texas and National Apartment Associations, holding a CAPS designation. Together, they lead a growing real estate portfolio that’s improving resident experiences and achieving award-winning results
    ________________________________
    Interested in investing in small multifamily?
    Learn more about The Microfamily Mavericks mentorship program here:
    https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy
    Check out our podcast website!
    Thesharethewealthshow.com
    Want to leave feedback or suggestions on our show?
    Take our survey: https://s.surveyplanet.com/c1xu5qdv
    ________________________________

    Connect with Candice and Corey!
    You can find them on:
    Company: https://www.mgroupcapital.com
    Candice LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/candicemuldrow/
    Corey LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/coreymuldrow/

    ___________________________________________
    Let’s get connected!
    You can find Nicole on
    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-pendergrass/
    Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nvestornikki/?hl=en
    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nvestornikki
    or Visit her website https://noirvestholdings.com

    LEAVE A REVIEW & SHARE THE WEALTH by SHARING this EPISODE with someone who wants to learn the secret strategies of the wealthy and build an abundant life. You can listen to previous episodes of Share the Wealth Show here.
    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/share-the-wealth-show/id1622218163

    38 min
  • Flashback Friday Ep 69 - Bootstrapping Wealth: Releasing Your Inner Wealthpreneur

    Welcome back to another Flashback Friday edition of the Share the Wealth Show! In today's episode marking the show's return after a period of hiatus, Nicole is eager to divulge captivating updates. Despite the show's temporary absence, Nicole's enthusiasm remains undiminished as she shares these exciting developments. Furthermore, she takes a deep dive into the concept of bootstrapping wealth - an approach that involves starting with minimal resources and gradually growing them. 


    Through her insights, Nicole aims to ignite a fresh perspective on wealth-building, encouraging you to view it through a novel lens. Her goal is to inspire you to unlock your inner Wealthpreneur, a term she uses to embody the spirit of an entrepreneur focused on creating and nurturing wealth. 


    Get ready to unleash your inner Wealthpreneur as Nicole inspires you on this journey!Nicole Pendergrass is a wife, mom of two toddlers, full-time employee, multifamily investor, and generational wealth advocate. She started her real estate journey with no money, no credit, no connections, and after a few unsuccessful ventures, got her footing with a 3 family house-hack. She grew that first property into ownership in multiple multifamily projects and is now on a mission to help others do the same. She founded Noirvest Holdings, a private equity REI firm, to help minorities, women and other overlooked individuals build wealth through increasing access to "privileged" multifamily investments. She is also the host of the Share The Wealth Show, a podcast dedicated to discussing untraditional strategies to build, grow and protect minority wealth.


    Don't miss out on this incredible opportunity to unleash clarity and purpose in your life. Let Nicole's guidance and wisdom empower you to unlock your true potential!


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    Interested in investing in small multifamily?
    Learn more about The Microfamily Mavericks mentorship program here:
    https://www.microfamilymavericks.com/casestudy
    Check out our podcast website!
    Thesharethewealthshow.com
    Want to leave feedback or suggestions on our show?
    Take our survey: https://s.surveyplanet.com/c1xu5qdv

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    Key Quotes:

    “If we're starting from very little or nothing, and we're trying to build wealth, with wealthpreneurs,

    we can make it happen. Right? It's not impossible. It might seem daunting, but it's definitely doable and we can do it..” - Nicole Pendergrass

    “If you think about it, like an entrepreneur at its core is someone who dares to dream beyond the ordinary and who takes risks and turns their ideas into reality.” - Nicole Pendergrass

    “It's not just about starting a business, It's ultimately more about embracing a mindset that propels you forward, especially in the face of obstacles.”  - Nicole Pendergrass

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    Let’s get connected! 

    You can find Nicole on 

    LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/nicole-pendergrass/

    Instagram https://www.instagram.com/nvestornikki/?hl=en

    Facebook https://www.facebook.com/nvestornikki

    or Visit her website https://noirvestholdings.com 


    LEAVE A REVIEW & SHARE THE WEALTH by SHARING this EPISODE with someone who wants to learn the secret strategies of the wealthy and build an abundant life. You can listen to previous episodes of Share the Wealth Show here.

    https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/share-the-wealth-show/id1622218163


    40 min

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