Klaas talks with Gavin Oates Managing Director of Tree of Knowledge one of the UK’s most exciting people development organisations. Working with the largest organisations in the world, he is one the most sought after speakers at conferences and exhibitions around the world

They discuss

Ensure your kids don’t loose their shine

How to be the best hero for your kids (or sidekick)

Importance of failure

Shining as a couple

Zest - Gavin’s latest book & why you should treat life like a bowl of Rice Kri