Klaas talks with Gavin Oates Managing Director of Tree of Knowledge one of the UK’s most exciting people development organisations. Working with some of the largest organisations in the world, Gavin is one the most sought after speakers at conferences and exhibitions around the world.

They discuss

Travelling and being away from your children

Being present

Beautiful interruptions

The importance of play

Toilet paper and the everyday stress of life

How to shine - charging your mind each day