Listening to Shirley talk, explain and simply recount a story, a decision or a fact is a powerful insight into years, decades of experience, thought and practical wisdom. I was immediately struck not only by Shirley’s wealth of knowledge, but by the intensity of her thought and the depth of her assessment.

She didn’t have a topic map for the podcast because she didn’t want one. She didn’t need one. So skilled a speaker and thinker is she, that she knew she would be able to satisfy every question I would ask.

We went from topics that entailed mobility, communication, community, environmental politics, city planning, sustainability, equality, social issues, history, race relations and party politics and I think, wow, listening back, what an amazing person.

Shirley Franklin is the first former Mayor I have ever had the chance to speak with, and I can say with absolute certainty, that if she were running for public office in my town, she’d get my vote every day of the week.

Thank you, Shirley, for your time and sharing some of your thoughts with me. Thanks, Chris, for setting it up too.

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