Shore Capital Podcast Network

In this episode, Jackson Sprayberry, Anderson Williams, and Cynthia Hiskes kick off Season 2 of Raw Talent with one of the bluntest questions leaders face: when do you invest in the talent you have, and when is it time to move on? They explore why most leaders answer that question too quickly, driven by frustration or loyalty rather than real diagnosis. The conversation unpacks how high-growth environments amplify the pressure, why the "messy middle" performers are the hardest to evaluate, and how a lack of role clarity often masquerades as a people problem. The episode makes a clear case that this decision should never be a gut call. It depends on how critical the role is, how urgent the need is, and whether the person has the coachability to close the gap in time.

Key Takeaways:

• Most leaders default to keep or move on too quickly, driven by emotion rather than diagnosis.
• In high-growth environments, job descriptions go stale fast. Leaders have to continuously reset expectations so performance conversations stay grounded.
• The hardest calls aren't the top performers or the clear misses. They're the messy middle, where will, skill, and fit blur together.
• A strong performance management cadence makes the develop-or-replace decision feel like a natural next step, not a last-minute crisis.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 - Introduction
2. 01:56 - Why This Question Keeps Surfacing
3. 05:35 - High-Growth Pressure on People Decisions
4. 10:36 - The Founder Dynamic
5. 11:52 - Performance Management and Clarity

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You'll also find other Raw Talent episodes, alongside our Bigger. Stronger. Faster., Microcap Moments, and Everyday Heroes series, highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

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In this episode, Joe Rice, CEO of CXponent, shares how watching his father run a business sparked a lifelong pull toward entrepreneurship and building something of his own. He describes how CXponent cuts through the overwhelming noise of technology vendors and AI tools to help mid-market companies make better decisions, and why trust, not technology, remains the foundation of every client relationship. Joe reflects on his first company, what he learned from that exit, and what drew him back to build again. He talks candidly about what founders should weigh before joining a platform, the importance of readiness and timing, and why Shore's focus on stacking talent and investing in organic growth made it the right fit. Throughout the conversation, Joe makes clear that even in a market being reshaped by AI, the work still comes down to people, presence, and being a partner clients can count on.

Key Takeaways:

• The technology landscape has never been more crowded. The advisors who win are the ones who cut through the noise and bring clients certainty, not just options.
• You cannot fake trust. Building the kind of client relationships that lead to board-level work takes time, expertise, and a willingness to get into the details.
• Joining a platform is not an exit. It is a choice to go further, faster, with peers who are still building.
• Once you get a taste of creating opportunity and space for other people, you are probably forever addicted. The best founders are not looking for a way out. They are looking for a way to keep going.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 – Introduction
2. 10:05 – Joe's Origin Story
3. 11:28 – Building CXponent with Shore
4. 14:29 – Founder Readiness and Timing
5. 19:40 – What's Ahead for CXponent

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You'll also find other Microcap Moments episodes, alongside our series Everyday Heroes and Bigger. Stronger. Faster., highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, Anderson talks with Ryan Resch, Principal of Operations at Shore Capital Partners. Ryan spent over a decade in basketball, from student manager at Baylor to Chief of Staff with the Phoenix Suns, before joining Shore nine months ago. He shares how first-principle problem-solving became the common thread across every career he has built, why the shift from the zero-sum world of professional sports to private equity changes how teams operate, and how that same builder mindset now drives Shore's internal AI enablement efforts. Ryan also discusses why AI is a platform-level shift, not just an operational initiative, and what it takes to build something transformational from the ground up.

Key Takeaways:

• First-principle problem-solving makes skills transferable across industries. Break any challenge into its parts, and the path forward becomes clear.
• AI is not a tool. It is a platform-level shift, and the organizations building AI capability now are building a durable advantage.
• Talent wins games. Coordination wins championships. The real challenge is aligning people, roles, and resources toward a shared mission.
• Focus is a discipline, not a default. In an unbounded environment, saying no to good ideas is what protects your ability to execute on the right ones.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 - Introduction
2. 02:09 - From Baylor to the NBA
3. 06:22 - What Brought Ryan to Shore
4. 10:47 - Building AI Enablement at Shore
5. 18:01 - Operating Systems, Scouting, and Focus
6. 25:17 - What's Ahead

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You’ll also find other Bigger. Stronger. Faster. episodes, alongside our Microcap Moments and Everyday Heroes series—highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, Anderson Williams talks with Cynthia Hiskes, Head of the Human Capital Center of Excellence at Shore Capital Partners. Cynthia brings deep experience building and scaling HR functions across companies of every size, and she shares why aligning your HR investment to the stage and scale of your business is one of the most important decisions a founder or CEO can make. They discuss what human capital looks like in microcap and highly acquisitive companies, why HR belongs at the strategy table from day one, and how the Center of Excellence facilitates learning across the portfolio so leaders don't have to figure it out alone. Cynthia also walks through how to think about talent assessment, organizational design, and culture during rapid growth and acquisition integration, and why the metrics that matter at exit need to be built into the planting phase.

Key Takeaways:

• Match your HR investment to your stage because over-engineered systems early on waste resources, while under-investing later puts growth at risk
• Bring HR in early as a strategic partner, not a downstream handoff, because the best integration and growth decisions happen when human capital is part of the original conversation
• Treat human capital as a value multiplier, not a cost center, especially in microcap businesses where every key role disproportionately drives the outcome
• Build the metrics that tell your exit story (turnover, engagement, time to fill, wage sustainability) during the planting and growing phases, not at the end

Chapters:

1. 00:00 – Introduction
2. 01:31 – Stage-Relevant HR
3. 06:36 – Org Design and Acquisitions
4. 11:37 – HR as a Strategic Partner
5. 18:14 – Talent and the Exit Story
6. 26:02 – HR Misconceptions

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You’ll also find other Bigger. Stronger. Faster. episodes, alongside our Microcap Moments and Everyday Heroes series—highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, Ryan Burke reflects on his journey from selling roofs in Colorado Springs to founding Bulldog Roofing at 23 and partnering with Shore Capital to help build Skycrest Roof. He shares how frustration with bad actors in the industry and a belief that customers and employees deserved better pushed him to take the leap and start the business out of his living room. Ryan discusses the rapid growth that followed, the chaos that came with it, and the hard lessons of moving from hustle to structure as the business scaled to sixty people and $30M in revenue. He talks candidly about his initial fears around private equity, why protecting his team of family and friends was his top priority, and how meeting the people at Shore shifted his perspective on partnership. Ryan highlights the importance of readiness, the value of building real processes and resilience into a business, and what Skycrest is looking for in the next generation of founders as it continues to grow.

Key Takeaways:

• Frustration with bad actors and a belief that customers and employees deserve better can become the foundation for building a business with real integrity and lasting culture.
• Moving from hustle to structure is the hard but necessary work of scaling, where documented processes, defined roles, and clear procedures turn chaos into resilience.
• Readiness to partner is not just about age or financial outcomes, but about understanding what you want, knowing your team, and finding a buyer who treats your people and your legacy with care.
• The right partnership brings creativity to the deal, expertise to the table, and a shared commitment to growing the business without losing the culture and people that built it.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 – Introduction
2. 02:51 – Founding Bulldog Roofing
3. 05:49 – From Hustle to Structure
4. 08:39 – Readiness and Finding Shore
5. 17:40 – Evolving as a Leader
6. 21:14 – Building Skycrest Roof

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You'll also find other Microcap Moments episodes, alongside our series Everyday Heroes and Bigger. Stronger. Faster., highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, I follow up with Ross Koenig, Chief Data Officer at Shore Capital Partners and one of our earliest podcast guests. Ross reflects on how his role has evolved over the past three years, from leading the Data Center of Excellence supporting portfolio companies to focusing on Shore's own investment process data and cross-portfolio insights. He shares why Shore's longstanding commitment to process and documentation has become a powerful foundation in the age of AI, and how nearly 1,000 codified executive hires now enable pattern recognition that few firms can match. Ross also discusses why "garbage in, garbage out" matters more than ever, how AI is breaking down walls between executives and data, and why business owners who ignore AI risk being left behind.

Key Takeaways:

• Build the data foundation first because AI only works as well as the process, documentation, and discipline behind it
• Codify what you know across people, processes, and decisions so you can spot patterns, learn from past outcomes, and make smarter choices going forward
• Recognize that AI's biggest unlock is accessibility, putting information and analysis directly in the hands of executives who used to be blocked by technical walls
• Engage with AI now regardless of size or industry because the cost barriers have fallen and the businesses that ignore it will quickly fall behind

Chapters:

1. 00:00 – Introduction
2. 01:36 – Building the Data Foundation
3. 06:36 – Codifying Knowledge at Scale
4. 12:15 – Accessibility and the Power of AI
5. 15:31 – Why Every Business Owner Should Engage with AI Now

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You’ll also find other Bigger. Stronger. Faster. episodes, alongside our Microcap Moments and Everyday Heroes series—highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, Jackson and Anderson close out the season by addressing the question every leader eventually faces: how do you know talent development is actually working? They acknowledge that measuring behavior change is harder than measuring defects on a line, but argue that the value is no less real. The conversation moves through leading and lagging indicators, the business metrics that connect to people investment, and the observable cultural shifts that show up before the numbers do. The episode includes a powerful story about a first-time manager who nearly left because no one helped her shift from doing the work to leading through others, and wraps with practical, start-tomorrow advice for tracking progress.

Key Takeaways:

• The ROI of talent development is real, but it shows up in things like turnover, internal promotions, and customer satisfaction rather than this quarter's margins.
• It's easier to notice failure than to recognize the problems that never happened because of proactive investment.
• Observable culture shifts (better meetings, fewer complaints, people coming with solutions) show up before the spreadsheet metrics do.
• Start with the behavior you want to change, name how you'll know it changed, and map that to business outcomes on the front end.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 - How Do You Know It's Working?
2. 01:14 - Why Measuring Development Is Hard
3. 06:20 - Satisfaction vs. Behavior Change
4. 09:36 - The Business Case for People Investment
5. 15:53 - Observable Signs Before the Numbers
6. 20:19 - Start With the End in Mind

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You'll also find other Raw Talent episodes, alongside our Bigger. Stronger. Faster., Microcap Moments, and Everyday Heroes series, highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, Jackson and Anderson explore how to scale professional development across an organization without turning it into a generic, one-size-fits-all program. They discuss the tension between customization and consistency, how to sequence learning so people are ready for each next conversation, and why the best development content is probably already inside your company. The episode highlights real examples of scenario-based sessions where executive teams organically shifted from practice to real problem-solving, and makes the case that scaling development ultimately depends on trust, relationships, and leaders who model what they expect from others.

Key Takeaways:

• Standardize the learning goal, not the delivery. The conversation that needs to happen matters more than the slides.
• Sequencing matters. People can't tackle complex challenges if they haven't built the foundational skills first.
• Your best content is already in your company. Real people solving real problems is more powerful than any external program.
• Development won't scale if leadership behavior contradicts the principles being taught. It has to be modeled from the top.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 - Scaling Without Going Generic
2. 04:00 - Scenario-Based Learning That Works
3. 07:36 - Sequencing Development Over Time
4. 09:36 - Building a Teaching and Learning Organization
5. 12:45 - Trust as the Foundation for Scale

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You'll also find other Raw Talent episodes, alongside our Bigger. Stronger. Faster., Microcap Moments, and Everyday Heroes series, highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, Jackson and Anderson tackle why so much professional development doesn't stick. They unpack the gap between feeling inspired in a session and actually changing behavior back on the job, and why the real problem is often a lack of practice, reflection, and feedback after the fact. The conversation gets into what managers should be doing in the weeks following a development experience, why role play matters even when it feels awkward, and how real-time feedback beats a quarterly review every time. The episode lands on a simple but powerful framework: reps, reflection, and feedback are the trio that makes learning stick.

Key Takeaways:

• If people leave a development session feeling great but don't change behavior, it was entertainment, not development.
• The biggest enemy of new habits is the pressure of day-to-day work pulling people back to their defaults.
• Managers should be asking "what are you doing differently?" in one-on-ones and coming prepared with their own observations.
• Feedback should be generative and ongoing, not a grade delivered once a quarter.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 - Why Learning Doesn't Stick
2. 02:35 - The Applause vs. Application Problem
3. 06:59 - Reinforcing Learning on the Job
4. 08:59- The Power of Role Play and Naming It
5. 11:13 - Real-Time Feedback Over Delayed Reviews

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You'll also find other Raw Talent episodes, alongside our Bigger. Stronger. Faster., Microcap Moments, and Everyday Heroes series, highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.

In this episode, Jackson and Anderson dig into how to build leaders before there's a vacancy. They explore the small, everyday behaviors that signal leadership potential, why rewarding only excellence can backfire, and the critical difference between leading and managing. The conversation covers how to create stretch opportunities without micromanaging, why your next promotion depends on developing someone behind you, and what it takes to make talent development a cultural norm rather than a special event. The episode makes a compelling case that leadership readiness doesn't come from titles or performance metrics alone. It comes from visibility, accountability, and a culture that expects growth.

Key Takeaways:

• Leadership potential shows up in small moments: asking why, offering solutions unprompted, and influencing peers without authority.
• Only rewarding excellence incentivizes people to hide failure rather than take the healthy risks that drive learning.
• Leading and managing are both essential but different. One without the other leaves teams either uninspired or directionless.
• You won't get promoted out of your role if there's nobody ready to step into it behind you.

Chapters:

1. 00:00 – Building Leaders Before the Vacancy
2. 01:20 – Recognizing Leadership Potential Early
3. 04:22 – Smart Risks and Healthy Failure
4. 9:32 – Clarity vs. Micromanagement
5. 15:53 – Leading vs. Managing
6. 18:13 – Making Development the Norm

Listen to our podcasts at:

https://www.shorecp.university/podcasts

You'll also find other Raw Talent episodes, alongside our Bigger. Stronger. Faster., Microcap Moments, and Everyday Heroes series, highlighting the people and stories that make the microcap space unique.

Other ways to connect:

Blog: https://www.shorecp.university/blog

Shore University: https://www.shorecp.university/

Shore Capital Partners: https://www.shorecp.com/

LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/company/shore-university

This podcast is the property of Shore Capital Partners LLC. None of the content herein is investment advice, an offer of investment advisory services, or a recommendation or offer relating to any security. See the “Terms of Use” page on the Shore Capital website for other important information.