Shores Of Ignorance

This is part 3 of a 3 part series where we sit down and talk with our children. In this episode we talk with Evelyn, Hannah, and Hazel, the 3 youngest kids in the group of 8 children between Michael and Matt.

What starts as a brief history about starting a business leads us hesitantly into the political landscape. It feels dangerous, but a lively and hopeful conversation arises by confronting the uncomfortable.

Linked References:

Elon Musk Documentary:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B07KSCZJX4/ref=share_ios_movie

The Madness of Crowds - by Douglas Murray

https://www.amazon.com/Madness-Crowds-Gender-Race-Identity/dp/1635579988/ref=sr_1_2?gclid=CjwKCAiA-vLyBRBWEiwAzOkGVOgVL1pyLf32wCVqnKRwdyEY1-iC9vt1tJa1bWE-yOtsaP7nYU87iRoClDwQAvD_BwE&hvadid=241911533435&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9028315&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=13423149574048494668&hvtargid=aud-840076997981%3Akwd-800380625&hydadcr=24633_10399728&keywords=the+madness+of+crowds&qid=1583153779&sr=8-2

The Woman Defending Harvey Weinsteinein

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-daily/id1200361736?i=1000464899201

Jeff Bezos Quote:

"I observed people who are right a lot, and I noticed a few things about them.

People who are right a lot, they listen a lot.

And people who are right a lot, change their mind a lot.

And people who are right a lot, they seek to disconfirm their most profoundly held convictions, which is very unnatural for humans.

We like to observe the evidence that confirms our preexisting beliefs.

And people who are right a lot, work very hard to do that unnatural thing of trying to disconfirm their beliefs.

Changing your mind a lot is so important. You should never let anybody trap you with anything you've said in the past

Sometimes you get new data, and when you get new data, you should change your mind.

By the way, sometimes you don't get new data and you just reanalyze the situation and you realize it's more complicated than you initially thought was, and you change your mind.

It's frustrating to watch politicians because they're not allowed to change their mind. As soon as they change their mind, they get accused of being flip-floppers.

When reality is: Anybody who doesn't change their mind a lot is dramatically underestimating the complexity of the world that we live in."

This is part 2 of a 3 part series where we sit down and talk with our children. In this episode we talk with Estella and Emerson, the 2 middle kids in the group of 8 children between Michael and Matt.

Zarghun Dean joins the conversation about determinism (Episodes 14 & 15). This is Zarghun's second time on our podcast. Previously on Ep 3 he joined us to talk about Fatherhood and Divorce. We're so glad to have him back for this conversation.

Zarghun Dean joins the conversation about determinism (Episodes 14 & 15). This is Zarghun's second time on our podcast. Previously on Ep 3 he joined us to talk about Fatherhood and Divorce. We're so glad to have him back for this conversation.

This is part 1 of a 3 part series where we sit down and talk with our children. In this episode we talk with the 3 oldest of the group of 8 children between Michael and Matt.

This is the second half of our conversation that started in ep 14, so listen to that one first.

Episode 14 and 15 are based around a discussion Brett Weinstein and Sam Harris had about free will on Brett's podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bret-weinstein-darkhorse-podcast/id1471581521?i=1000459815266

The breakdown in this podcast on free will is really good. I feel like they take it to the logical conclusions in which they decide what to believe. I don’t know if this is the right words. But Sam really shows that what he believes is impractical and he tries to get out of it by referencing our psychology as experiencing something like free will but it’s not really. Brett deftly points out that if there is no free will then the conversation and all of Sam’s points are pointless. Brett does agree that it is hard to get around determinism and almost says we have to accept free will no matter how limited it is. I think Brett would argue more on how much freewill we have or assume to have than that it is a completely deterministic reality. Brett mostly see the problems of a fully deterministic perspective and how impractical it is.

Paul Vanderclay response:

https://youtu.be/5dm7lTDdBOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yIjoIy3Fk Talk about Manifest image and Scientific image (Wilfrid Sellars)

Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, and Eric Weinstein (free will)

https://youtu.be/jzXePwgeIBI

Daniel Bonevac - Manifest and Scientific Images

https://youtu.be/aVoWTnpF5ew

Sam’s Argument - Free Will

https://www.audible.com/pd?asin=B007GCYUX8&source_code=ASSORAP0511160006

45 min def of free will

brain scans show that the decision is made ms before we know we made a decision.

Assumptions of free will. Could have behaved differently. We are the conscious source of our thoughts

Benjamin Libet

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet

11:10 imagine a perfect device. What?

At 14 minutes he mentions voluntary and involuntary and that this does not really matter

We are observers

Free Wiil - Sam's website April 5, 2012

https://samharris.org/free-will-and-free-will/

Sam Harris and Richard Lang

Compatibilism is the belief that free will and determinism are mutually compatible and that it is possible to believe in both without being logically inconsistent.[1] Compatibilists believe freedom can be present or absent in situations for reasons that have nothing to do with metaphysics.[2] They say causal determinism does not exclude the truth of possible future outcomes.[3]

This episode is based around a discussion Brett Weinstein and Sam Harris had about free will on Brett's podcast:

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/bret-weinstein-darkhorse-podcast/id1471581521?i=1000459815266

The breakdown in this podcast on free will is really good. I feel like they take it to the logical conclusions in which they decide what to believe. I don’t know if this is the right words. But Sam really shows that what he believes is impractical and he tries to get out of it by referencing our psychology as experiencing something like free will but it’s not really. Brett deftly points out that if there is no free will then the conversation and all of Sam’s points are pointless. Brett does agree that it is hard to get around determinism and almost says we have to accept free will no matter how limited it is. I think Brett would argue more on how much freewill we have or assume to have than that it is a completely deterministic reality. Brett mostly see the problems of a fully deterministic perspective and how impractical it is.

Paul Vanderclay response:

https://youtu.be/5dm7lTDdBOg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1yIjoIy3Fk Talk about Manifest image and Scientific image (Wilfrid Sellars)

Sam Harris, Ben Shapiro, and Eric Weinstein (free will)

https://youtu.be/jzXePwgeIBI

Daniel Bonevac - Manifest and Scientific Images

https://youtu.be/aVoWTnpF5ew

Sam’s Argument - Free Will

https://www.audible.com/pd?asin=B007GCYUX8&source_code=ASSORAP0511160006

45 min def of free will

brain scans show that the decision is made ms before we know we made a decision.

Assumptions of free will. Could have behaved differently. We are the conscious source of our thoughts

Benjamin Libet

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Benjamin_Libet

11:10 imagine a perfect device. What?

At 14 minutes he mentions voluntary and involuntary and that this does not really matter

We are observers

Free Wiil - Sam's website April 5, 2012

https://samharris.org/free-will-and-free-will/

Sam Harris and Richard Lang

Compatibilism is the belief that free will and determinism are mutually compatible and that it is possible to believe in both without being logically inconsistent.[1] Compatibilists believe freedom can be present or absent in situations for reasons that have nothing to do with metaphysics.[2] They say causal determinism does not exclude the truth of possible future outcomes.[3]

Part 2 of our 2020 conversation.

Feel what you feel so that you know what you feel.

Cursing & retired words.

We need wisdom that doesn’t downplay the youthful.

Twitter is poisonous. Instagram doesn't seem to be.

Limiting yourself makes you creative.

Cimarron, and the creative process.

Eric Weinstein - The Portal

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Fthe-portal%2Fid1469999563&token=889e1d-1-1578868157551

Brett Weinstein - The Dark Horse (interview w Sam Harris)

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Fbret-weinstein-darkhorse-podcast%2Fid1471581521&token=91392f-1-1578868157551

Trump Article - Rocky picture

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftrump-campaign-trolls-wapo-over-trump-rocky%E2%80%A6&token=dec845-1-1578868157551

Cimaron - Matt McCloskey

https://Matt-McCloskey.lnk.to/uaf7ZgOh

Twin mice - slow aging

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FQRt7LjqJ45k&token=e93238-1-1578868157551

Iain McGilchrist - Master and His Emissary

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FMaster-His-Emissary-Divided-Western%2Fdp%2F0300245920%2Fre%E2%80%A6&token=b9b9b7-1-1578868157551

Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi - Flow

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FFlow-Psychology-Experience-Perennial-Classics%2Fdp%2F006%E2%80%A6&token=52d6af-1-1578868157551

T.S. Eliot - Four Quartets

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FFour-Quartets-T-S-Eliot%2Fdp%2F0156332256%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fcri%E2%80%A6&token=2db3c2-1-1578868157551

It’s a new decade: Reflections, forward and backward.

Sould you make your bed?

Michael doesn’t know who Paul Rudd is.

Adversity keeps us young.

Order and Chaos.

Feel what you feel so that you know what you feel.

We feel young, but we’re not young.

We’re interested in fasting.

Eric Weinstein - The Portal

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Fthe-portal%2Fid1469999563&token=889e1d-1-1578868157551

Brett Weinstein - The Dark Horse (interview w Sam Harris)

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fpodcasts.apple.com%2Fus%2Fpodcast%2Fbret-weinstein-darkhorse-podcast%2Fid1471581521&token=91392f-1-1578868157551

Trump Article - Rocky picture

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Ftrump-campaign-trolls-wapo-over-trump-rocky%E2%80%A6&token=dec845-1-1578868157551

Cimaron - Matt McCloskey

https://Matt-McCloskey.lnk.to/uaf7ZgOh

Twin mice - slow aging

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fyoutu.be%2FQRt7LjqJ45k&token=e93238-1-1578868157551

Iain McGilchrist - Master and His Emissary

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FMaster-His-Emissary-Divided-Western%2Fdp%2F0300245920%2Fre%E2%80%A6&token=b9b9b7-1-1578868157551

Mihaly Csikszentmihalyi - Flow

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FFlow-Psychology-Experience-Perennial-Classics%2Fdp%2F006%E2%80%A6&token=52d6af-1-1578868157551

T.S. Eliot - Four Quartets

https://gate.sc/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FFour-Quartets-T-S-Eliot%2Fdp%2F0156332256%2Fref%3Dsr_1_1%3Fcri%E2%80%A6&token=2db3c2-1-1578868157551