Evan Roberts and Tiki Barber dive into a spirited Yankees debate over how much analytics should shape a lineup and whether the numbers are pointing toward changes fans may not want to hear. At the center of it all is a bold idea Roberts has pushed for years: Aaron Judge leading off to get more plate appearances and create more scoring opportunities.

From a data-built lineup that puts Trent Grisham in a premium spot to a larger argument about Aaron Boone, Brian Cashman, and the balance between information and feel, the conversation touches every nerve Yankees fans have. They also get into growing doubts about Jason Dominguez, what the team really believes about its young talent, and how long the Yankees should stick with struggling veterans before making a change.