For the upcoming Episode 88 of The DYOJO Podcast, we have a conversation with a returning guest who shared a thought-provoking question that I believe all leadership teams should consider, “Which is more important, effort or results?” 

Josh Zolin is an advocate for helping young people recognize opportunities for gainful employment and career development within the skilled trades. This passion is the impetus behind his book and podcast, both by the same name, Blue is the New White. As prominent as Josh has become as an author, podcast host, and speaker, he is also the owner of the rapidly growing WCE in Phoenix, Arizona where he is implementing the leadership challenge that he shared. 

This teaser video gives you a glimpse of our discussion on the intersection between goals, effort, and results as you develop your team. Be sure to check out the article Goals, Effort, and Results: Developing Your Team by Jon Isaacson and published in Cleanfax Magazine. 

In this content clip:

0:00 Josh Zolin drops a thought-provoking bomb

1:30 Psychology professor Carol Dweck weighs in 

2:14 Kelsey Isaacson squares up with Mark Cuban

3:17 Pennies for your business growth 

4:25 Join us for the 3rd Annual SOCKTember Competition 

5:55 Curse words and question marks 

Thursdays are for The DYOJO Podcast - helping you shorten your DANG learning curve for personal and professional development. 

This content is sponsored by the new best-selling book, How To Suck Less At Estimating: Habits For Better Project Outcomes by Jon Isaacson.