Simon Ellis is the author of the Leanpub book Some Things About Dance. In this interview, Leanpub co-founder Len Epp talks with Simon about his path from sports to dance, choreography and the way it affects all of our lives, from getting into and out of elevators to national policy, his book, and at the end, they talk a little bit about his experience as a self-published author.

This interview was recorded on February 21, 2018.

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This interview has been edited for conciseness and clarity.