Karl D'Silva is a fascinating figure in the UK underground music scene. His dark electronic pop songs are both subtly slippery and crushingly direct, and he's blessed with the kind of powerhouse singing voice that you just have to hear to believe. He's also prolific as a saxophonist and collaborator in far more overtly experimental contexts, working with Helm, VANISHING, Rian Treanor, Ex-Easter Island Head, and a million others.

Here, Karl and I talk a lot about the voice: finding one's own, overcoming shame, and some of Karl's unusual warm-ups and recording techniques. We also talk about Glenn Branca, early industrial music, and the unique realm of the Northern UK.