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Matt Mikalatos joins me to talk about whether or not empathy is a sin and why people are so down on empathy lately. I also talk through the implications of Ukraine’s operation to destroy Russian bombers and the fallout of the breakup between Elon Musk and Donald Trump.

You can find Matt’s graphic novel, “God with Us” here. His podcast, The Fascinating Podcast is here.

And here’s how you TOO can get that Joan Osborne song stuck in your head.

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