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Skaana (@Skaanapod) host Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung) talks sharks, Sharkwater (@teamsharkwater) and politics with Joseph Planta (@Planta) on a special shared episode with Planta On the Line @TheCommentary.ca

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Show notes:

00:21 Introduction
2:51 Joseph Planta introduces Mark Leiren-Young.
4:00 Why Sharks Forever is dedicated to Rob Stewart and meeting Rob in Barcelona
10:45 Why I call sharks “the perfect predator.” “They are eating machines… they look devastating and awesome when you see them hunting.”
12:40 The impact of Jaws “What is baffling to me is that this one movie – released in 1976 – completely defined the way humans see sharks…. every time somebody saw a shark it was reported as if aliens invaded.”
16:41 “One moose hit one person in Jasper? ‘We’re going to shoot every moose in Jasper!' That is the approach to sharks. And I wish I put that analogy in the book… the government does not go, “it’s time for a war on moose.” You get a bear bite you don’t go after every bear.”
17:20 “We’re not food to them. We’re a lousy food source.”
18:00 “Sharks just look scary to us – something about them hits us on a primal level.”
21:18 Shark personalities and shark friendships.
23:40 The dangers of anthropodenial and the term’s creator, Frans de Waal.  “When you tickle a monkey it laughs.”
25:47 “Everything is now eating plastics… humans don’t share. Humans just are not good at sharing.”
26:30 “The more environmental stuff that I do, the more astonished I am by nature.”
28:10 “There are almost always sharks fairly close to shore… they’re everywhere. We’ve all been really close to sharks if we’ve been in the water.”
30:00 “Roughly five people are killed by sharks each year… falling bookshelves definitely kill more people each year than sharks. TVs falling on people. Just pick the most random thing and they are all more dangerous than sharks.”
31:10 Running for Saanich council. Why I ran for political office.
36:08 “Joseph – you’re an essential service.”

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Director Josh Zeman (@joshzeman)  on the quest for the loneliest whale in the world and shifting his focus from human mysteries to marine mysteries with his movie, The Loneliest Whale: The Search for 52.  “Just when you think you’ve had too much devil-worshipping and serial killers, you go and you spend a day working on whales and everything’s okay again.”
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Show notes:

0:00 – intro
4:37 – There once was a film in Nantucket. . .
6:20 – Working on a whaling ship at age 14.
9:47 – “It was such a cool story that interconnected science and legend and naval stuff. It was such a fascinating journey.”
13:38 – “There’s a mystery here for us to solve.”
13:55 – The first time he saw a whale.
17:18 – Looking at loneliness and why this story became a phenomenon.
19:28 – Explaining the idea of 52 Hertz.
23:12 – Moving from true crime to the mystery of 52 Blue.
24:50 – Catching fire on Kickstarter
28:52 – “Just when you think you’ve had too much devil-worshipping and serial killers you go and you spend a day working on whales and everything’s okay again.”
29:33 – “Understand what your consumerism does.”

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Filmmaker Nadine Pequeneza talks about meeting and fighting for the North Atlantic Right Whales Right Whales for her award-winning documentary, Last of the Right Whales, with Skaana (@Skaanapod) host Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung).

Mark mentioning his campaign is authorized by Rayne Ellycrys Benu.Mark’s campaign sponsorship mention is authorized by Rayne Ellycrys Benu [email protected]Skaana podcasts connect you to news and experts and their discussions about environments, oceans, and orcas.

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Seattle Times (@seattletimes) environment reporter Lynda V Mapes (@LyndaVMapes) on dams versus salmon, saving the southern resident orcas and how Tahlequah changed the world. “All the things we do for our comfort, convenience and commerce are not good for the southern residents. And that’s just fact.”Skaana podcasts connect you to news and experts and their discussions about environments, oceans, and orcas.

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Show notes:00:30 – Lynda Mapes on falling in love with Ocean Sun1:50 – Skaana introduction to Lynda Mapes and Tahlequah9:31 – Removing dams and saving orcas10:47 – “What do we want the next 150 years to look like?”11:06 – Becoming the environmental reporter for Seattle newspapers and covering the Makah whale hunt.15:25 – “We have a motto at the Seattle Times – news you can’t get anywhere else.”17:11 – Seattle Times epic orca coverage – Hostile Waters – Orcas in Peril https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/environment/hostile-waters-orcas-killer-whale-puget-sound-washington-canada/19:30 – Hearing about Tahlequah and her daughter: “And I thought, she won’t let it go. I’m not letting it go.”20:26 – “I don’t think she ever dropped it. I think it fell apart.”21:04 – “By the time we wrote that last story where she dropped the calf, there were six million people reading that story online.”21:13 – Scientists know that these very sophisticated intelligent animals grieve and that that’s what she was doing… these are families.”26:05 – Tahlequah’s political impact.30:54 – The Snake River Dam vs. salmon and orcas.39:15 – Undamming the Elwha River – a river revival.43:20 – Return of the eagles and dippers (a songbird at the Elwha).46:36 – “Canada has been a real heartbreak for us down here in the States” – American opposition to Canadian pipeline expansion.50:27 – “All the things we do for our comfort, convenience and commerce are not good for the southern residents. And that’s just fact.”55:00 – On the differences in dealing with NOAA and the DFO.57:38 – Names versus numbers.1:00:17 – “Calling them by this sort of widget number is bizarre and insulting.”1:04:00 – “The right way to think about these animals is… they comprise ancient societies.”1:04:45 – “People say to me oh they’re just like us. Don’t flatter yourself… we could learn a lot from them.”1:09:30 – “Everywhere we live is orca country.”1:10:00 – On why she has hope.Subscribe to the Skaana newsletter at Substack: https://skaanapod.substack.com/Support us on Patreon: https://www.patreon.com/skaana

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Author and primatologist Frans de Waal  talks about great apes, not-so-great humans, animal emotions and anthropodenial with Skaana (@Skaanapod) host Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung).

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Show Notes

1:30 – Intro

3:35 – Defining anthropodenial.

6:05 – Anthropomorphism and primates.

7:02 – “That's the interesting part is we are so human-centric that we can deal with facial expressions, but not with the expressions of an elephant who do a lot of things was their trunk and ears, but their face is not very mobile.”

8:31 – Are humans a “successful” species?

11:05 – On human exceptionalism. “People always want to be special.”

12:40 – “If related species show similar behavior under similar circumstances, you have to use the same terminology because the psychology behind it is probably similar too.”

13:28 – How science’s relationship with anthropomorphism is changing.

14:40 – Laughing chimps.

16:15 -Why primatologists use names for apes not numbers.

17:58 – Animals and grief. “All animals that have attachments can also grieve.”

20:30 -“I'm not against humanizing animals or animalizing humans.”

22:49 – Survival of the kindest versus survival of the fittest.

26:00 – Talking about his book Mama’s Last Hug.

27:40 – Gender roles in bonobos.

30:05 – Bonobos solve problems with sex.

32:46 – Is there resistance to de Waal’s work and theories?

34:27 – His thoughts on animal personhood and the rights of animals.

36:30 – How he became interested in animals and animal behaviour.

42:34 – How he began working with chimpanzees.

46:32 – Becoming friends with apes.

47:25 – Animal communication and “dialect”.

51:12 – On being a cat person. “I consider cats extremely social.”

52:10 – Talking to the Dalai Lama about empathy. “I think empathy is found in all the mammals.”

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Sea Shepherd Captain, Paul Watson (@CaptPaulWatson), talks with Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung) about getting political, remembering Rob Stewart, saving salmon with Alexandra Morton and the Sea Shepherd Navy! Part two of our special two-part interview.

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Excerpts from Orcapedia by Paul Watson and Tiffany Humphrey

• Kiska: https://medium.com/skaana/kiskas-story-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-27ec43dd0a19 
• Corky 2: https://medium.com/skaana/corky-ii-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-c829a9f596e8
• Miracle: https://medium.com/skaana/miracles-story-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-f2195ef99e80
• Lolita: https://leirenyoung.medium.com/lolitas-story-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-78a2af9423d7 

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• The Force of Doubt by Rayne Ellycrys Benu… https://books2read.com/forceofdoubt

Time Codes

• • 03:08 Running for public office. 
  • 03:38 “I did it primarily for the platform that it provided.”
  • 04:09 The Green Party trying to kick him out as a candidate.
  • 05:08 On the Sea Shepherd’s policy of “aggressive nonviolence.”
  • 08:29 On the Sea Shepherd going from outlaw to law enforcement.
  • 08:54 “We uphold international conservation maritime law.”
  • 11:47 The impact of Rob Stewart and his documentary, Sharkwater
  • 15:01 “The camera’s the most powerful weapon that’s ever been invented. It changes things. It can change society.”
  • 15:35 Operation Virus Hunter and working with Alexandra Morton to help save the salmon in the Salish Sea.
  • 19:02 Saving the vaquita.
  • 22:52 The Sea Shepherd’s current campaigns.
  • 23:45 The size of the Sea Shepherd navy
  • 24:14 “Everybody can do something.”
  • 27:00 Mark Leiren-Young performs Operation Dessert Storm live in Victoria in 2018 – music by Mike McCormick from The Arrogant Worms

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Sea Shepherd Captain, Paul Watson (@CaptPaulWatson), talks with Mark Leiren-Young (@leirenyoung) about Seaspiracy, life as an outlaw and as a movie star, the impact of Covid on life in the oceans and whether whales are more intelligent than we are.

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Berke Breathed's original drawing of Opus, the Penguin – used to illustrate Mark Leiren-Young’s poem Operation Dessert Storm in the Sea Shepherd newsletter.

Excerpts from Orcapedia

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• Corky 2: https://medium.com/skaana/corky-ii-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-c829a9f596e8
• Miracle: https://medium.com/skaana/miracles-story-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-f2195ef99e80
• Lolita: https://leirenyoung.medium.com/lolitas-story-from-orcapedia-by-paul-watson-tiffany-humphrey-78a2af9423d7

Mentioned Episodes:

• Alexandra Morton: https://www.skaana.org/alexandra-morton/
• Julia Barnes: https://www.skaana.org/bright-green-lies/

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Sea Shepherd Legal

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•   Paint the Ocean You Wish to See with Rayne Ellycrys Benu… digital-enlightenment.net
• The Force of Doubt by Rayne Ellycrys Benu… https://books2read.com/forceofdoubt

TIME CODES

• 4:38– How Covid has effected the Sea Shepherd and the oceans
• 4:52– “There has been an increase in poaching.”
• 6:52– His new book, Orcapedia
• 7:10– “What we’re talking about here is an international slave trade where the orcas are the new slaves.”
• 8:36– “The orcas in captivity have names and therefore we tend to relate to them more so than the ones that are in the wild.”
• 10:13– Tilikum’s story
• 13:41– How Watson fell for whales.
• 13:58– “To me whales are highly intelligent, very social, self-aware sentient beings and I think, in many cases, they’re probably more intelligent than we are.”
• 17:20–  The backlash to Seaspiracy
• 17:30– “The fishing industry’s very powerful and they throw a lot of money into their PR machines.”
• 20:55–   “What we really need is a tuna-free tuna.”
• 21:12–   “You can find scientists who will defend any side of an argument. I call them “biostitutes,” when they’re working for the industry.”
• 23:36– “A good percentage of the fishing industry is strictly, completely illegal – unregulated and uncontrolled.”
• 27:10– How his movie Watson happened.
• 29:04– Selling his life story – a lot.

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Killer whales hunting on land? Josh McInnis (scientist) and Justine Buckmaster (naturalist) on their wild discovery that some Salish Sea orcas are hunting seals on the shores of Protection Island and how orcas continue to surprise us.

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Photo credits: Justine Buckmaster

 

Josh McInnes is a marine ecologist and masters candidate at the University of British Columbia's Institute for the Oceans and Fisheries Marine Mammal Research Unit. Josh grew up on Vancouver Island, British Columbia, Canada.  For over a decade Josh has studied the ecology and behaviour of transient (Bigg's) killer whales along the Pacific Coast, but has also traveled to remote locations off British Columbia, Washington State, Alaska, California, Australia, and Antarctica to study marine mammal populations.

Justine Buckmaster is a certified Marine Naturalist currently working at Puget Sound Express. She has been working in the Salish Sea region for over ten years as a guide and educator on whale watching ecotours. Justine works with local marine mammal researchers by providing digital photos and sightings data from her encounters to record proof of presence and unique behaviors of the marine mammal species and populations of the Salish Sea. Justine was raised in southern Washington State near the Columbia River and currently resides in the town of Mukilteo in northern Puget Sound.

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• Josh and Justine’s paper “Intentional Stranding by Mammal-Hunting Killer Whales (Orcinus orca) in the Salish Sea” https://www.researchgate.net/publication/345819912_Intentional_Stranding_by_Mammal-Hunting_Killer_Whales_Orcinus_orca_in_the_Salish_Sea 
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Timecodes

• 0:00– Intro
• 4:18– Killer whales hunting on land? Josh McInnis (scientist) and Justine Buckmaster (naturalist) on their wild discovery that some Salish Sea orcas are hunting seals on the shores of Protection Island and how orcas continue to surprise us.
• 6:52– Discovering Bigg's orcas who hunt on land.
• 14:02– “This is something that maybe is brand new to these animals (Josh McInnes)”
• 14:40– Josh McInnes on meeting rare Gerlache Orcas in Antarctica.
• 15:01– “It’s kind of surprising that the killer whales are much more maneuverable than the penguins are.”  (Josh McInnes)
• 19:34– “Seeing transient orcas hunt is always just a awesome” (Justine Buckmaster)
• 21:30– “I think orcas are basically the epitome of what we are as a species and intelligence or smarter than us.” (Josh McInnes)
• 27:09  “They're spectacular animals and I don't think we're going to stop learning about them any time soon. (Josh McInnes)”

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Eco-warrior, Alexandra Morton, on her fight to save wild salmon, being gaslit by the Canadian government and her adventures in Green politics. She also dares people to sue her over her essential new book – Not On My Watch:  How a renegade whale biologist took on governments and industry to save wild salmon.

“The salmon farming industry is harming wild salmon, is harming whales, is causing algae blooms and really needs to be controlled.”

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Significant Quotes:

“The salmon farming industry is harming wild salmon, is harming whales, is causing algae blooms and really needs to be controlled. I mean, at first I thought they just had to get off the wild salmon migration routes, but now I realize they just have to get out of the ocean completely, and if they want to continue, build a tank and get in it and operate from there.”(8:18)

“Doing all this damage was part of how they were making such a phenomenal amount of money. It’s really insidious.” (12:38)

“I cannot believe I have spent my whole adult life fighting salmon farms. It just seems ridiculous. But when I look at it from a global perspective I realize I’m part of a huge army across the planet that is trying to protect life on earth.” (12:55)

“When you have a corporation involved, they don't really care how many fish there are. They just want that share price to go up. And so this is deadly, because it really is a cancer model. They need to grow, they need to grow, they need to grow, with no mind to the fact that they're killing the very body that they're in, which in this case is the ocean. I mean, they're going to kill themselves off. They are killing themselves off in the process of following their business plan. It's really deranged. It doesn't make sense and it has to stop.”  (15:31)

“Nobody wants to buy fish that have killed off whales, never mind everything else.” (19:00)

 

“There's nobody whose position in DFO is the health of wild salmon. There's no director of wild salmon.” (24:48)

“We have the biggest salmon run in the world on the verge of extinction.” (29:29)

“I saw grizzly bears that no longer looked like Grizzly bears… they were emaciated.” (33:14)

“Alexandra: I have to wonder at some level in government are people saying, “Oh my God, those fish… What?!  They're still coming back? There's still 20 of them?! Gosh darn it.” I don't know. I don't think people, I don't think some level of government wants wild salmon at all.

Mark: That just gave me chills because I found myself asking the same question about the Southern residents.

Alexandra: I bet you do. Yep..

Mark: I feel like there are people in the federal government, you are going “Damn, there's still 74 of them…. “

Alexandra: Yeah, and they're having babies. ” (36:07)

“The salmon actually have the whole mating thing down. They can handle that.”  (42:30)

“And for the first time last spring, I set my big net and pulled it in and looked at the fish and, oh my gosh, they were fat and sassy. They were sparkly, blues and silvers, deep jet black eyes, not the cloudy film they get when they go by the farms and it was a feeling in my heart that I just really had to sort of stand back a minute and be like, what is that feeling? It was joy. It felt like my heart was ringing.” (48:00)

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Launch of Operation Virus Hunter (2016) Photo credits: Mark Leiren-Young

Timecodes

• 0:00– Alexandra Morton – introduction
• 1:40– Mark’s welcome
• 6:30– Alexandra’s new book, “Not on My Watch”
• 8:18– “The salmon farming industry is harming wild salmon, is harming whales, is causing algae blooms and really needs to be controlled. I mean, at first I thought they just had to get off the wild salmon migration routes, but now I realize they just have to get out of the ocean completely, and if they want to continue, build a tank and get in it and operate from there.”
• 9:37– The impact of fish farms
• 12:38– “Doing all this damage was part of how they were making such a phenomenal amount of money. It’s really insidious.”
• 14:33– Alexandra’s political adventure – running for the BC Green party
• 15:31– “When you have a corporation involved, they don't really care how many fish there are. They just want that share price to go up. And so this is deadly, because it really is a cancer model. They need to grow, they need to grow, they need to grow, with no mind to the fact that they're killing the very body that they're in, which in this case is the ocean. I mean, they're going to kill themselves off. They are killing themselves off in the process of following their business plan. It's really deranged. It doesn't make sense and it has to stop.”
• 19:00– “Nobody wants to buy fish that have killed off whales, never mind everything else.”
• 22:14– Mark and Alexandra discuss their adventures with Canada’s Department of Fisheries and Oceans
• 24:48– “There's nobody whose position in DFO is the health of wild salmon. There's no director of wild salmon.”
• 29:29– “We have the biggest salmon run in the world on the verge of extinction.”
• 33:14– “I saw grizzly bears that no longer looked like Grizzly bears… they were emaciated.”
• 36:07– “Alexandra: I have to wonder at some level in government are people saying, “Oh my God, those fish… What?!  They're still coming back? There's still 20 of them?! Gosh darn it.” I don't know. I don't think people, I don't think some level of government wants wild salmon at all. Mark: That just gave me chills because I found myself asking the same question about the Southern residents. Alexandra: I bet you do. Yep.. Mark: I feel like there are people in the federal government, you are going “Damn, there's still 74 of them…. ” Alexandra: Yeah, and they're having babies. “
• 42:30– “The salmon actually have the whole mating thing down. They can handle that.” 
• 42:35– Wild salmon breeding
• 48:00– “And for the first time last spring, I set my big net and pulled it in and looked at the fish and, oh my gosh, they were fat and sassy. They were sparkly, blues and silvers, deep jet black eyes, not the cloudy film they get when they go by the farms and it was a feeling in my heart that I just really had to sort of stand back a minute and be like, what is that feeling? It was joy. It felt like my heart was ringing.”
• 50:21– Mark’s conclusion

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Gavin Hanke Curator of Vertebrate Zoology at the Royal BC Museum (@RoyalBCMuseum) on the life, death and anatomy of Rhapsody – the skeletal star of the museum’s fantastic exhibit Orcas: Our Shared Future #RBCMOrcas – which is open until 2022 before touring the world (and was written by Skaana host, Mark Leiren-Young @leirenyoung).

Rhapsody (J32). Credit: Josh McInnes

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Books on Amazon and Other Ways to Support Skaana

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Significant Quotes:

• “This is a typical skeleton and it's in beautiful shape… Rhapsody here, she was in the prime of her life… She was basically perfect.” (10:09)
• “It's kind of like LEGO, but with a real, with a real animal, it was, it was a lot of fun to put one together.” (12:24)
• “Anyone thinking a museum job is nine to five and you go home and forget about it, it's not the way museum work is. You're always on. You're always thinking about it and you're not. I make the joke that these things aren't getting any deader, but we don't want them to degrade. We want these specimens here for thousands of years. As long as humans exists, we want these specimens available for research and study and the older they get, the more value that the valuable they become, because you can't go back in time to collect a killer whale from 2014. This is now a time capsule. So the one neat thing about a museum is you can go back in time in a sense and handle specimens from the 1800's. Nowhere else can you do that. No one else preserves the actual physical evidence from the past. And that's the beauty of museum work.” (15:41)
• “I think anyone who works at a museum also has a very supportive spouse because sometimes you come home, like, if I've been moving whales, I will come home smelling like whale fat..” (18:02)

 

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Skaana visits Rhapsody @ the Royal BC Museum Photo Credits: Rayne Ellycrys Benu

Timecodes

• 0:00– Assembling Rhapsody’s skeleton with Gavin Hanke 
• 1:50– Mark’s Welcome. Start of the Skaana Podcast
• 5:37– Start of the interview. Orca anatomy.
• 6:47– The story of Rhapsody.
• 10:05– Explaining Rhapsody’s skeleton.
• 10:27– “Rhapsody here, she was in the prime of her life. Her skeleton's in beautiful shape. No deformities, as far as I can tell, she was basically perfect. Her teeth are really nice. They're not really all that worn. Um, but yeah, the animal's very, it doesn't look all that complex when you've got it all laid out on a floor.”
• 12:24– “It's kind of like Lego, but with a real, with a real animal, it was, it was a lot of fun to put one together.”
• 13:59– Care and cleaning of marine skeletons.
• 16:15– This is now a time capsule. One neat thing about a museum is you can go back in time in a sense and handle specimens from the 1800's. Nowhere else can you do that. No one else preserves the actual physical evidence from the past. And that's the beauty of museum work.”
• 16:55– What it’s like to work at the museum
• 18:02– “I think anyone who works at a museum also has a very supportive spouse because sometimes you come home, like, if I've been moving whales, I will come home smelling like whale fat.”
• 25:31– Secret treasures of the Royal BC Museum
• 27:22– Message from Mark Leiren-Young for our Patreons. Support independent coverage of issues facing the Southern Resident Orcas at www.patreon.com/mobydoll

 

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