Pastors & Money Podcast

Smart Tax Planning for Pastors with Gale Sciascia, EA


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Housing Allowances, Reimbursement Plans, and Tax Strategies Every Ministry Leader Needs
  • 00:00:00 – Welcome & Introduction
  • 00:01:00 – Ministry Spotlight: The Adams Family in Bolivia
  • 00:02:00 – Meet Gale Sciascia: Tax Planning Expert
  • 00:04:00 – The Dual Tax Status Challenge Pastors Face
  • 00:06:00 – Housing Allowances: Your Most Valuable Tax Break
  • 00:07:00 – How Your Church Board Should Approve Housing Allowances
  • 00:09:00 – How Housing Allowances Show Up on Your W2
  • 00:11:00 – Should You DIY Your Ministry Taxes?
  • 00:13:00 – Accountable Reimbursement Plans: Stop Paying Tax on Money That Isn\’t Income
  • 00:16:00 – Handling Your Wedding and Speaking Income the Right Way
  • 00:18:00 – One Proactive Step to Reduce Your Tax Anxiety This Week
  • 00:19:00 – Building Tax Tracking Into Your Weekly Routine
  • 00:22:00 – Why the IRS Cares So Much About Mileage
  • 00:23:00 – Lightning Round: Financial Habits That Make a Difference
  • 00:30:00 – Thank You for Listening

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Ministry Spotlight: The Adams Family in Bolivia

Micah and Karissa Adams serve as missionaries to six indigenous tribal groups in the Amazon jungles of Bolivia, using medical outreach and oral Bible storytelling to share the Gospel with communities that have waited over 2,000 years to hear it. Learn more and find out how to support their ministry at pastorsandmoney.com/spotlight.

Show Notes

Are you leaving money on the table because you don’t understand how ministry taxes work? In this essential conversation with Gale Sciascia—enrolled agent and co-founder of Sasha Tax and Retirement—we break down the tax strategies every pastor and ministry leader needs to know.

Gale explains the unique tax situation pastors face: considered an employee for income taxes but self-employed for Social Security and Medicare. This dual status creates confusion and leads to missed opportunities like underutilizing housing allowances, failing to set up proper reimbursement plans, and not planning for self-employment tax.

From understanding how housing allowances work whether you live in a parsonage, own your home, or rent, to setting up accountable reimbursement plans that stop you from paying taxes on money that isn’t really income, this episode gives you clear, actionable steps to reduce your tax burden and protect what you’ve earned. Plus, Gale shares the one proactive step you can take this week to transform tax anxiety into confidence.


What You’ll Learn
  • Why pastors have dual tax status and what that means for your finances
  • How housing allowances work and why proper documentation is critical
  • The difference between housing allowances for parsonages, owned homes, and rentals
  • What an accountable reimbursement plan is and why every church needs one
  • How to handle side income from weddings and speaking engagements correctly
  • The biggest documentation mistakes that lead to failed audits
  • Why mileage tracking is one of the IRS’s biggest red flags
  • One proactive step to reduce tax anxiety and set yourself up for success
  • Whether you should DIY your ministry taxes or hire a specialist
Key Quotes

“Pastors don’t necessarily understand that they have sort of dual status. So they are considered an employee for income taxes, but self-employed for Social Security and Medicare. And so that tends to raise some confusion for them, and it also leads to some missed opportunities.” – Gale Sciascia

“The easiest way to fail an audit or have expenses disallowed and bring on other challenges is not having proper documentation.” – Gale Sciascia

“We want you to have [an accountable reimbursement plan] so that you can be reimbursed and it not be included in your income, then you’re not paying tax on a dollar amount that is not really income.” – Gale Sciascia

“Don’t wait. Claim your salvation, right? Like, don’t wait until tomorrow. Do it today.” – Gale Sciascia (quoting Pastor Robbie)

“Finances are a tool to help you sustain what you’re called to do. We need to keep our mission moving with integrity and balance and use the tools available to us.” – Gale Sciascia


About Our Guest

Gale Sciascia is a recognized enrolled agent and co-founder of Sasha Tax and Retirement. With over 15 years of experience, Gale helps business owners, professionals, and ministry leaders translate complicated tax code into clear actionable strategies. As a federally licensed tax professional authorized by the United States Department of Treasury, she represents taxpayers before the IRS in all 50 states, handling everything from tax preparation and planning to collections and audits. Her mission is simple: educate, break financial restraints, and transform tax anxiety into wealth-building confidence.

Resources Mentioned
  • Shasha Tax and Retirement: shashatr.com
  • Phone: 615-723-1570
  • Mileage tracking apps, like Everlance
  • QuickBooks for financial tracking
  • Microsoft Excel for budgeting (Looking for the perfect business spreadsheet?)


Documentation You Need as a Pastor
  • Church board meeting minutes (for housing allowance approval)
  • Pastor’s compensation agreement
  • Receipts for all housing expenses (mortgage/rent, utilities, furniture, repairs, insurance, maintenance)
  • Expense reports for reimbursements (submitted within 30-45 days)
  • Mileage logs

Important Note from Gale: Work with a tax professional who specializes in clergy taxes. Generic tax software or non-specialized preparers may miss important deductions available to pastors.

Key Action Steps
  1. This week: Start organizing your tax documentation digitally—receipts, invoices, and proof of payment for all housing and ministry-related expenses
  2. Check with your church board: Ask if you have a housing allowance designation and an accountable reimbursement plan in place
  3. For next year: Ensure your housing allowance is approved by your church board before the end of the year so it takes effect with your first paycheck
  4. Download a mileage tracking app: Stop guessing at your ministry mileage and start documenting it properly
  5. Build it into your hiring process: Create templates for housing allowance agreements and reimbursement plans for all ministry staff

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