My guest this week on Starting Out - which is sponsored by the pandemic "COVID" - is Hamitlon-based comedian, and video game creator, Bret Measor. Bret started standup a little after I did, and we used to have many deep conversations like the one you’re about to hear. Bret has gone through some loss in the last year, and we talk about death and grief in the second half of this episode.  Thanks for listening and supporting the pod, and don’t get COVID.

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