Welcome! This week’s guest is the legendary Lilly Wachowski! Lilly and Caleb talk making a movie together, living in Chicago, the lasting legacy of The Matrix films, the importance of queer art in this day and age, stew, and so much more! 

Join our Substack for ad free full episodes, early access to merch, our community chat, and more! https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Lilly has no social media! Happy Thanksgiving! 

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Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Exclusive $45-off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/SOTRUE. Promo Code SOTRUE 

Philo’s where all the best TV comes together! 70+ live channels, unlimited DVR, with access to HBO Max Basic With Ads, AMC+, and discovery+

Sign up to start watching now: https://bit.ly/4oiweFq 

Listeners can save 30% on their first order at Cornbread Hemp! Just head to https://www.cornbreadhemp.com/SOTRUE and use code SOTRUE at checkout. 

Head to https://www.squarespace.com/SOTRUE to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code SOTRUE. 

Stock up on sustainable cleaning products for yourself or to give a beautiful gift to your friends by going to Blueland.com/SOTRUE and get up to 30% during Blueland’s holiday sale! 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

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So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan. So True is engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Maggie Winters! Maggie and Caleb talk stories from the road as a touring comic, a return to cringe as a nation, fast food optimization, her new podcast, and so much more! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Maggie and other bonus content!  https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Maggie! @saggiesplinters

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Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Exclusive $45-off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/SOTRUE. Promo Code SOTRUE 

Donate to support Planned Parenthood now at https://www.PlannedParenthood.org/Defend 

Philo’s where all the best TV comes together! 70+ live channels, unlimited DVR, with access to HBO Max Basic With Ads, AMC+, and discovery+

Sign up to start watching now: https://bit.ly/4oiweFq 

Listeners can save 30% on their first order at Cornbread Hemp! Just head to https://www.cornbreadhemp.com/SOTRUE and use code SOTRUE at checkout. 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

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So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan. So True is engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Zach Zimmerman! Zach and Caleb talk moral dilemmas, parental expectations, good vs. evil, praise, so much more! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Zach and other bonus content!  https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Zach! @zzdoublezz

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Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Head to https://www.squarespace.com/SOTRUE to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code SOTRUE.

Stock up on sustainable cleaning products for yourself or to give a beautiful gift to your friends by going to https://www.Blueland.com/SOTRUE and get up to 30% during Blueland’s holiday sale! 

Ready to quit for good? Go to https://www.quitwithjones.com/SOTRUE to start your personalized quitting journey and get $10 off with code SOTRUE.

Use my code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SOTRUE10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount 

There’s no replacement for human connection. Better with people. Better with Alma. Visit https://www.helloalma.com/SOTRUE to get started and schedule a free consultation today. 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

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So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan. So True is engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome! This week is the return of the hilarious Laura Peek! Laura and Caleb talk the passage of time, a harrowing encounter on a plane, New York City, being chronically not online, and much more! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Laura and other bonus content!  https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Laura! @laurapeeklive

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Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings 

Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Go to https://www.Zocdoc.com/SOTRUE to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today. #sponsored 

Give and get timeless holiday staples that last this season with Quince. Go to Quince.com/SoTrue for free shipping on your order and 365-day returns.

Philo’s where all the best TV comes together! 70+ live channels, unlimited DVR, with access to HBO Max Basic With Ads, AMC+, and discovery+

Sign up to start watching now: https://bit.ly/4oiweFq 

Feeld is a dating app for the curious. For those who are intentionally seeking meaningful connection. For those who are looking for community. For those who are tired of job interview-style dating and want more. Curious? Trying new things is hot. Download Feeld. 

Upgrade your underwear drawer with tomboyx. Use code SOTRUE15 to get 15% off your order at tomboyx.com/discount/SOTRUE15 

There’s no replacement for human connection. Better with people. Better with Alma. Visit helloalma.com/SOTRUE to get started and schedule a free consultation today. 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

» FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum  

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» FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum 

So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan. So True is engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Punkie Johnson! Punkie and Caleb talk growing up in New Orleans, various styles of flirting, favorite moments from SNL, a certain childhood game, cooking, and much more! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Punkie and other bonus content!  https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Punkie! @punkiejohnson  

Follow the show! @sooootruepod 

Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings 

Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Transform your living space today with Cozey. Visit http://www.Cozey.com, the home of possibilities, made easy. 

Upgrade your underwear drawer with tomboyx. Use code SOTRUE15 to get 15% off your order at http://www.tomboyx.com/discount/SOTRUE15 

Ready to give MASA a try? Go to http://www.MASAChips.com/SOTRUE and use code SOTRUE for 25% off your first order.

Use my code for 10% off your next SeatGeek order*: https://seatgeek.onelink.me/RrnK/SOTRUE10 Sponsored by SeatGeek. *Restrictions apply. Max $20 discount 

Listeners can save 30% on their first order at Cornbread Hemp! Just head to http://www.cornbreadhemp.com/SOTRUE and use code SOTRUE at checkout. 

Go to https://www.Zocdoc.com/SOTRUE to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today. #sponsored 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

» FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum  

» FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ 

» FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum 

So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan. So True is engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome folks! This week we’re thrilled to bring you the long awaited return of the one and only Holmes! Holmes and Caleb talk about the many deep corners of their friendship, dating profiles, delivery apps, good vs. evil, and so much more! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Holmes and other bonus content! https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Holmes! @_holmes_holmes 

Follow the show! @sooootruepod 

Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings 

Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Cancel your unwanted subscriptions and reach your financial goals faster with Rocket Money. Go to rocketmoney.com/SOTRUE today. 

There’s no replacement for human connection. Better with people. Better with Alma. Visit helloalma.com/SOTRUE to get started and schedule a free consultation today. 

Exclusive $20-off Carver Mat at https://on.auraframes.com/SOTRUE Promo Code SOTRUE 

Blueland has a special offer for So True listeners: right now, get 15% off your first order by going to Blueland.com/sotrue. 

Grab Freaky Good Cider from Angry Orchard at AngryOrchard.Com/Halloween – and while you’re there, watch the new Jason vignette, “Sweet Revenge” and shop the collab merch! 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

» FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum  

» FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ 

» FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum 

So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan. So True is engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome! This week’s guest is the iconic Anania! Anania and Caleb talk everything from their mutual midwest roots, phobias, hosting Gaydar, Paramore, favorite anime’s, and so much more! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Anania and other bonus content! https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Anania! @anania00

Follow the show! @sooootruepod 

Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings 

Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Head to https://www.squarespace.com/SOTRUE to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code SOTRUE.

Donate to support Planned Parenthood now at https://www.PlannedParenthood.org/Defend 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

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» FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ 

» FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum 

So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan and Executive Producer Emma Foley. So True is engineered by Casey Donahue and engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Rosebud Baker! Rosebud and Caleb talk high school cheerleading, war criminals, raising a child with a fellow comedian, TV dads, and much more! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Rosebud and other bonus content!  https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Rosebud! @rosebudbaker

Follow the show! @sooootruepod 

Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings 

Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Go to https://www.Zocdoc.com/SOTRUE to find and instantly book a top-rated doctor today. #sponsored 

Grab Freaky Good Cider from Angry Orchard at AngryOrchard.Com/Halloween – and while you’re there, watch the new Jason vignette, “Sweet Revenge” and shop the collab merch! 

Feeld is a dating app for the curious. For those who are intentionally seeking meaningful connection. For those who are looking for community. For those who are tired of job interview-style dating and want more. Curious? Trying new things is hot. Download Feeld. 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

» FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum  

» FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ 

» FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum 

So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan and Executive Producer Emma Foley. So True is engineered by Casey Donahue and engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome! This week’s guest is the amazing Denise Brown! Denise and Caleb talk growing up in the 70s, age-gap friendships, the KC Tenants union, pronouns, and much more! 

Get tickets to YEEHAW! here: https://www.ticketmaster.com/caleb-hearon-waxahatchee-yeehaw-a-benefit-kansas-city-missouri-10-02-2025/event/06006307ECE49819

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Denise and other bonus content! https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow KC Tenants!@kctenats 

Follow the show! @sooootruepod 

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Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Check out quince.com/SOTRUE 

Head to https://www.squarespace.com/SOTRUE to save 10% off your first purchase of a website or domain using code SOTRUE.

There’s no replacement for human connection. Better with people. Better with Alma. Visit helloalma.com/SOTRUE to get started and schedule a free consultation today. 

Transform your living space today with Cozey. Visit Cozey.com, the home of possibilities, made easy.

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

» FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum  

» FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ 

» FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum 

So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan and Executive Producer Emma Foley. So True is engineered by Casey Donahue and engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.

Welcome! This week’s guest is the talented and hilarious Rachel Sennott! Rachel and Caleb talk car accidents, a never before seen moment from early in her acting career, vocabulary words, and her new show I Love LA coming to HBO MAX on November 2nd! 

Join our Substack for an exclusive post-episode chat with Rachel and other bonus content!  https://calebsaysthings.substack.com/ 

Follow Rachel! @treaclychild 

Follow the show! @sooootruepod 

Follow Caleb! @calebsaysthings 

Produced by Chance Nichols @chanceisloud

Ready to say yes to saying no? Make the switch at https://www.mintmobile.com/sotrue. 

Transform your living space today with Cozey. Visit Cozey.com, the home of possibilities, made easy. 

There’s no replacement for human connection. Better with people. Better with Alma. Visit helloalma.com/SOTRUE to get started and schedule a free consultation today. 

About Headgum: 

Headgum is an LA & NY-based podcast network creating premium podcasts with the funniest, most engaging voices in comedy to achieve one goal: Making our audience and ourselves laugh. Listen to our shows at https://www.headgum.com. 

» SUBSCRIBE to Headgum: https://www.youtube.com/c/HeadGum?sub_confirmation=1  

» FOLLOW us on Twitter: http://twitter.com/headgum  

» FOLLOW us on Instagram: https://instagram.com/headgum/ 

» FOLLOW us on TikTok: https://www.tiktok.com/@headgum 

So True is a Headgum podcast, created and hosted by Caleb Hearon. The show is produced by Chance Nichols with Associate Producer Allie Kahan and Executive Producer Emma Foley. So True is engineered by Casey Donahue and engineered and edited by Nicole Lyons. Kaiti Moos is our VP of Content at Headgum. Thanks to Luke Rogers for our show art and Virginia Muller our social media manager.

See Privacy Policy at https://art19.com/privacy and California Privacy Notice at https://art19.com/privacy#do-not-sell-my-info.