Merry Christmas and Happy Holiday’s! This week’s guest is the hilarious Kumail Nanjiani! Kumail and Caleb talk brand ambassadorship, Ice Cream College, his new special Night Thoughts streaming now on Hulu, a certain image that haunts one of their dreams, and much more! 

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Welcome to a new and exciting era of So True with this week’s guest, the iconic Zooey Deschanel! Zooey and Caleb talk shooting a movie together, Almost Famous, fondest karaoke memories, trailmix, and more! 

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Yedoye Travis! Yedoye and Caleb talk best book recommendations, Dragon Ball Z, early influences in comedy, hat clones, and more! 

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Hoja Lopez! Hoja and Caleb talk party etiquette, the importance of high quality furniture, queer friendships, caveats, and much more! 

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the legendary Lilly Wachowski! Lilly and Caleb talk making a movie together, living in Chicago, the lasting legacy of The Matrix films, the importance of queer art in this day and age, stew, and so much more! 

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Maggie Winters! Maggie and Caleb talk stories from the road as a touring comic, a return to cringe as a nation, fast food optimization, her new podcast, and so much more! 

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Zach Zimmerman! Zach and Caleb talk moral dilemmas, parental expectations, good vs. evil, praise, so much more! 

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Welcome! This week is the return of the hilarious Laura Peek! Laura and Caleb talk the passage of time, a harrowing encounter on a plane, New York City, being chronically not online, and much more! 

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Feeld is a dating app for the curious. For those who are intentionally seeking meaningful connection. For those who are looking for community. For those who are tired of job interview-style dating and want more. Curious? Trying new things is hot. Download Feeld. 

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Welcome! This week’s guest is the hilarious Punkie Johnson! Punkie and Caleb talk growing up in New Orleans, various styles of flirting, favorite moments from SNL, a certain childhood game, cooking, and much more! 

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Welcome folks! This week we’re thrilled to bring you the long awaited return of the one and only Holmes! Holmes and Caleb talk about the many deep corners of their friendship, dating profiles, delivery apps, good vs. evil, and so much more! 

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