Emily is a therapist who believes in the power of service work to keep her right-sized. We talk about what it's like to relapse, Alcoholics Anonymous, and how to find the energy to shut up.  We also debate the art of chair kicking as a means of outward expression.

We are looking for sober People of Color to interview about their experiences being sober in the world right now. To schedule an interview, please email [email protected].

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