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  • Episode 73: “My pants are full of brisket,” Apple updates, & Oracle storms the AWS castle

    Apple has put out three new things - the phone, the watch, and the OS - which we discuss. And then Oracle announced it's destroying Amazon, which is fun. We start it all off with a word-salad of the usual nonsense and deodorant talk.

    Listen above, subscribe to the feed (or iTunes), or download the MP3 directly.

    With Brandon Whichard, Matt Ray, and Coté.

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    • Show notes
      Wordpress Talk
      • Pantheon
      • Dreamhost
      • WP Engine
      • macOS Sierra
        • Try rebooting.
        • Can't get Apple Watch thing to work. Bartender broke-dick.
        • What have you done for me lately, FREE SOFTWARE?
        • (Just freed up 15 gigs of space with the storage optimizer, so, there's that.)
        • Also, ordered a ~$1,000 phone today. JESUS!
        • Another way to find big files on OS X.
        • YubiKey support for OSX
        • Oracle is gonna cream AWS. Wait, wut?
          • Lydia has a good write-up. She's a bit wry, you know.
          • This is like the 3rd or 4th go at it.
          • To be an apologist: doing cloud is freakin' hard. Maybe Oracle should try being less of a jerk rhetorically though? It's help with their credibility.
          • Ben Thompson is on the case
          • BONUS LINKS! Not covered in show.
            This week in tech PE
            • Vista Equity Buying Infoblox for $1.6 Billion
            • Microservices - Please don't
              • Maybe microservices ain't all they're cracked up to be
              • 5 "truths" (spoiler, maybe not)
                1. It keeps the code cleaner
                2. It's easy to write things that only have one purpose
                3. They're faster than monoliths
                4. It's easy for engineers to not all work in the same codebase
                5. It's the simplest way to handle autoscaling, plus Docker is in here somewhere
                6. This piece by my man Kenny is ball-exploding awesome.
                7. Too Old to Code?
                  • Tim Bray is old and codes.
                  • "That's fine for you, Marge, but I used to rock and roll all night and party every day. ... Now I'm lucky if I can find half an hour a week in which to get funky.". – Homer Simpson
                  • Recommendations
                    • Brandon: Reminders App
                    • Matt: Usual Suspects; also, my wife’s blog
                    • Coté: Logitech Keys-To-Go Ultra-Portable Bluetooth Keyboard for Tablets, Red - $37.90 at Amazon: only 16 left in stock! GOOD PRICE! Also, don’t get Fantastical...if you’re like me.
                    • 1 hr
                    • Episode 72: “Oh! Scurvy! Again.”

                      It's all fundings, divestitures, and acquisitions this week. Hashicorp gets some cash, HPE sells off it's software group to Micro Focus, and Google buys Apigee...plus Twitter acquisition rumors. Plus sentient carpets.

                      Listen above, subscribe to the feed (or iTunes), or download the MP3 directly.

                      With Brandon Whichard, Matt Ray, and Coté.

                      Show Notes
                      Twitter going to sell:
                      • The rumors
                      • “I still think Alphabet makes for the most logical acquirer of Twitter”
                      • Dark Horse: Apple.
                      • Really Dark Horse: IBM.
                      • This Week in Tech PE: HPE Spins off Software
                        • They got divested
                        • “HPE will be retaining tools that support the company’s cloud and infrastructure businesses but will be spinning off tools for application delivery management, big data, enterprise security, information management, governance and IT operations management.”
                        • From what I know of HPE, this seems to be overlapping. I’d love a list of “stays vs. goes”
                        • Q3 2017, and you thought Dell/EMC was slow
                        • Where does this leave HP? Will they acquire more SW or stay a “systems” company.
                        • It makes you realize how “small” their SW group was.
                        • Coté’s notebook on this topic.
                        • Also, Thoma Bravo says it gets, like, 20-45% returns on assets it takes private.
                        • Mid-roll
                          • Check out cote.io/promos for more - free books, free cloud time, etc.
                          • Lead-gen free webinar with an actual, real customer talking about cloud and Pivotal Cloud Foundry. An analyst and Coté too.
                          • Check out my Sep. column over on The Register, about ROI and shit for DevOps. I’m really desperate to answer this “question.” Put on some high-waders and check out the comments, leave some to go spice it up in that asylum.
                          • For more DevOps awesomeness, join the Chef Community Summit, October 26th and 27th in Seattle, WA. This Open Space event provides a great opportunity to connect with the DevOps Community and Chef Engineers over two days of engaging sessions and hallway discussions. Bring your ideas, passion and excitement for Chef and DevOps to this highly interactive event.
                          • Go to summit.chef.io to register for this awesome event and use the code PODCAST to get 10% off your ticket!
                          • Google buying Apigee. The whole API Economy thing.
                            • They got bought!
                            • More
                            • Hear us talk about it on Pivotal Conversations: the gigantic strangler pattern!
                            • MASHUPS FTW!
                              Hashicorp Gets $24 million B-round
                              • Vault Enterprise, Nomad Enterprise, Terraform Enterprise, Consul Enterprise
                              • Coté: what’s the deal with these folks? Are they a competitor to all us?
                              • Blogging is dead
                                • Coté gets better views/reads in Medium than on his broke-dick blog. (Maybe about 80-100 RSS subscribers.)
                                • This makes him sad and confused about what he should do.
                                • BONUS LINKS! Not covered in show
                                  A16Z Not Best of the Best?
                                  • Clickbait
                                  • “Thought(sp?) it may fall short of some rivals, the company outperforms the average fund: Overall, its three funds have almost doubled their investment capital since inception.”
                                  • What’s Cisco Up To?
                                    • Our favorite Halo Effect company
                                    • What’s up with “software defined networking”? I was talking with someone recently and they posited that it’s
                                    • “dead-as-in-over-cause-all-the-big-cos-won.” Plus NSX does a lot (1,700 customers), right?
                                    • Short History of Open Source Forks
                                      • Lots of examples of successful open source forks
                                      • “Oracle doesn’t seem to have a very good reputation with open source communities.”
                                      • OS X <- NeXT <- “select parts of BSD”
                                      • Thoughts on Nano Windows Server 2016
                                        • Is this the future of Windows (no Windows)?
                                        • Moving from Docker to Rocket
                                          • Bumps in the road but rkt is staying “smaller” per last week’s conversation.
                                          • Picks
                                            • Brandon: The Night Of.
                                            • Coté: Complete Works of HP Lovecraft. Checks out. Also see the series of commentary from the two authors over on tor.com.
                                            • Matt: Silent music videos: Dancing In The Streets (And, the original). The Terror. They found the boat.
                                            • 1 hr 4 min
                                            • Episode 71: Unbreakable Docker, or, elephants, er, like other elephants

                                              Eventually, you have to decide how your open source software is going to make money, and your partners probably won’t like it. That’s what the dust-up around Docker is this week, it seems to us. We also talk briefly about VMware’s big conference this week, and rumors of HPE selling off it’s Software group to private equity.

                                              Listen above, subscribe to the feed (or iTunes), or download the MP3 directly.

                                              With Brandon Whichard, Matt Ray, and Coté.

                                              SPONSOR
                                              • Check out the multi-cloud webinar lead-gen free! I really like Brian’s part and then the discussion at the end between all of us.
                                              • I have a discount code for Operability.IO, September 19th and 20th in London. I hear good things about this conference; check out their talks from last year. It has a good list of speakers, including our very own Casey West. You can 10% off registration if you use the code COTEMEMOOIO16.
                                              • Check out cote.io/promos for more - free books, free cloud time, etc.
                                              • Show notes
                                                • Nippers - "Nippers learn about safety at the beach. They learn about dangers such as rocks, and animals (e.g. the blue-ringed octopus), and also about surf conditions, such as rip currents, sandbars, and waves. Older Nippers also learn some basic first aid and may also learn CPR when they reach the age of 13."
                                                • Can someone explain this “Docker forking” hoopla?
                                                  • Coté’s write-up.
                                                  • Docker Inc. doesn’t want to be a commoditized building block
                                                  • From a Red Hat person: “The conflict started to escalate earlier this summer, when Docker Inc used its controlling position to push Swarm, it’s own clone of Kubernetes-style container orchestration, into the core Docker project, putting the basic container runtime in a conflict with a notable part of its ecosystem. Docker Inc. then went on to essentially accuse Red Hat of forking Docker - at the Red Hat Summit no less. After that, Docker Inc’s Solomon Hykes came out strongly against the efforts to standardize the container runtime in OCI - an initiative his company co-founded.”
                                                  • Re: that episode where we discuss Docker ecosystem challenges: “Yet on a regular basis, Red Hat patches that enable valid requirements from Red Hat customer use cases get shut down as it seems for the simple reason that they don’t fit into Docker Inc’s business strategy.”
                                                  • A fight over where to draw the line between free/open/commodified and costs/proprietary/competitive: "And while I personally consider the orchestration layer the key to the container paradigm, the right approach here is to keep the orchestration separate from the core container runtime standardization. This avoids conflicts between different layers of the container runtime: we can agree on the common container package format, transport, and execution model without limiting choice between e.g. Kubernetes, Mesos, Swarm."
                                                  • Don't bring a pistol to a bazooka fight. Enterprises love RHEL - have you ever tried to sell Ubuntu into organizations? It’s like what selling NT must have been like.
                                                  • VMware hybrid cloud solutionaring
                                                    • Brief notebook from Coté. More coverage
                                                    • Keywords “mostly cloud”
                                                    • A representative, not too poorly supported VMware obit
                                                    • NSX up in the cloud
                                                    • This Week in Tech Private Equity…
                                                      • HPE looking to sell off Software group, sources say.
                                                      • “hoping it can fetch between $8 billion and $10 billion”
                                                      • “HPE's software unit generated $3.6 billion in net revenue in 2015, down from $3.9 billion in 2014.”
                                                      • Dell/EMC thing set to close on Sep 7th, 2016
                                                      • Quest Software, One Identity To Operate Separately From SonicWall After Dell Software Sale
                                                      • BONUS LINKS! Not covered in podcast.
                                                        Spaces vs. Tabs
                                                        • The data delivers the truth (spaces)
                                                        • Recommendations
                                                          • Matt: Bubble-sort algorithm explained with Hungarian ("Csángó") folk dance
                                                          • Brandon: LastChanceU
                                                          • Coté: Ulysses - I don’t think there’s any expensive text editors left for me to buy. [This American Life's Worst Song Ever], hear it.
                                                          • 1 hr 16 min
                                                          • Episode 70: “No one wants to eat a finger-pie.”

                                                            This week we discuss Rackspace going private and the OpenStack cloud scenarios that could have been. We also cover Matt Ray's first trip to New Zealand where, sadly, he finds no Power Ranger monuments. Also, a little bi-modal flavor for ya.

                                                            Listen above, subscribe to the feed (or iTunes), or download the MP3 directly.

                                                            With Brandon Whichard, Matt Ray, and Coté.

                                                            SPONSOR
                                                            • On August 31st, come hear about launching your cloud strategy and why multi-cloud matters with myself, an analyst, and an actual enterprise user of all this stuff. Register and watch it for free!
                                                            • I have a discount code for Operability.IO, September 19th and 20th in London. I hear good things about this conference; check out their talks from last year. It has a good list of speakers, including our very own Casey West. You can 10% off registration if you use the code COTEMEMOOIO16.
                                                            • Check out https://cote.io/promos/ for more - free books, free cloud time, etc.
                                                            • Interested in speeding your software's cycle time, reducing release cycles, and a resilient cloud platform? Check out the free ebook on Cloud Foundry or take Cloud Foundry for a test drive with Pivotal Web Services. See those and other things at cote.io/pivotal.
                                                            • See cote.io/promos for a full list of all the deals "mid-roll" stuff currently going on.
                                                            • Show notes
                                                              RAX goes private for $4.3bn
                                                              • The usual need to hide from the Wall Street eye
                                                              • OpenStack dead, again.
                                                                • "Tough times ahead".
                                                                • "There was a time when it was hard to read an article about OpenStack without hearing about 'pets vs. cattle,' and OpenStack was designed to herd cattle"
                                                                • "It has itself become a big, complex pet, which is why Mirantis and others can make a living providing services, software and training."
                                                                • What could have happened: (1.) "we can beat AWS," or, (2.) "containers, shoulda thought of that."
                                                                • Innovation is hard, esp. business-wise
                                                                  • How could you compete with AWS?
                                                                  • Word vs. Google Docs vs. Office 365.
                                                                  • Uber has spent at least $4bn?
                                                                  • BONUS LINKS! Not Covered in show
                                                                    AWS Sentinel is Coming
                                                                    • Skunkworks-ish project from AWS for managed services. Potentially lots of partner conflict
                                                                    • "MSPs need to work with customers to convert their infrastructure to Platform-as-a-Service using microservices architecture," said one AWS partner. "They also need to bring DevOps into the heart of the organization. Unfortunately, most MSPs don't have the developers that truly understand this."
                                                                    • “Few AWS Partners Are Really Surprised By Sentinel's Emergence“
                                                                    • MariaDB switches away from open source license
                                                                      • MaxScale proxy switching to commercial-only license
                                                                      • “The MaxScale move shows MariaDB Corporation wants to switch from a Red Hat-style service and support model to a Sugar-style sole-vendor approach.”
                                                                      • Hashicorp Shuts Down Otto
                                                                        • Interesting to see an open source project publicly shut down.
                                                                        • Microsoft Open Sources Powershell
                                                                          • Coverage
                                                                          • MSFT blog post
                                                                          • Follows open-sourcing of .NET earlier this year
                                                                          • available for Linux and Mac OS
                                                                          • Recommendations
                                                                            • Brandon: first US college football game in Australia
                                                                            • Matt: Rugby, help me learn it.
                                                                            • Coté: BCG on two speed IT; Wizard of Oz series.
                                                                            • 53 min
                                                                            • Episode 69: The two types of sales dudes you meet in heaven, the IaaS MQ, and layoffs

                                                                              There’s always good food in the enterprise sales meeting racket: gourmet pimento cheese, sushi and sake, and booze. Also, the Gartner magic quadrant for IaaS in out, which we discuss. With layoffs at Cisco we look at the broader numbers around layoffs in the tech sector. Before recommendations we briefly talk about Walmart buying Jet.

                                                                              (Sorry the audio quality is so bad.)

                                                                              Listen above, subscribe to the feed (or iTunes), or download the MP3 directly.

                                                                              With Brandon Whichard, Matt Ray, and Coté.

                                                                              SPONSOR
                                                                              • On August 31st, come hear about launching your cloud strategy and why multi-cloud matters with myself, an analyst, and an actual enterprise user of all this stuff. Register and watch it for free!
                                                                              • I have a discount code for Operability.IO, September 19th and 20th in London. I hear good things about this conference; check out their talks from last year. It has a good list of speakers, including our very own Casey West. You can 10% off registration if you use the code COTEMEMOOIO16.
                                                                              • Check out https://cote.io/promos/ for more - free books, free cloud time, etc.
                                                                              • Interested in speeding your software's cycle time, reducing release cycles, and a resilient cloud platform? Check out the free ebook on Cloud Foundry or take Cloud Foundry for a test drive with Pivotal Web Services. See those and other things at cote.io/pivotal.
                                                                              • See cote.io/promos for a full list of all the deals "mid-roll" stuff currently going on.
                                                                              • Show notes
                                                                                • If you like video, see this episodes’ video recording.
                                                                                • Gartner IaaS MQ is Out.
                                                                                  • Check out the free re-print, from Amazon I believe.
                                                                                  • I collected these notes in it's own blog post, check it out.
                                                                                  • Layoffs at Cisco
                                                                                    • Several thousand get pink slips, more
                                                                                    • "I do not think that they are going to be done after this."
                                                                                    • "We are committed to making the necessary decisions to drive our future growth"
                                                                                    • The performance didn't impress investors as Cisco's stock shed 42 cents to $30.30 in extended trading after the numbers came out. The decline may have been driven by disappointment that Cisco's job cuts weren't nearly as deep as published reports had speculated they would be.
                                                                                    • But it’s not just Cisco.
                                                                                    • Be sure to read The Halo Effect.
                                                                                    • Walmart buys Jet
                                                                                      • $3.3bn.
                                                                                      • I miss Amazon, Matt in Australia.
                                                                                      • Ben Thompson provides extensive color.
                                                                                      • Recommendations
                                                                                        • Brandon: PIN/Kings podcast.
                                                                                        • Matt: Flying in Australian is awesome, civilized even; the curved screen of the Samsung SAMSUNG C27F390F 1800R Curved 27 inch LED Free Sync Full HD 1920x1080 VA panel HDMI D-Sub Monitor, Australian edition, but Yankee plugs are cool too.
                                                                                        • Coté: James Governor on Pivotal and SpringOne Platform; Irie's Island Food in Port Aransas.
                                                                                        • 52 min
                                                                                        • Episode 68: Too old for the buffet
                                                                                          SPONSOR
                                                                                          • See cote.io/promos for a full list of all the deals "mid-roll" stuff currently going on.
                                                                                          • I have a discount code for Operability.IO, September 19th and 20th in London. I hear good things about this conference; check out their talks from last year. It has a good list of speakers, including our very own Casey West. You can 10% off registration if you use the code COTEMEMOOIO16.
                                                                                          • Check out https://cote.io/promos/ for more - free books, free cloud time, etc.
                                                                                          • Interested in speeding your software's cycle time, reducing release cycles, and a resilient cloud platform? Check out the free ebook on Cloud Foundry or take Cloud Foundry for a test drive with Pivotal Web Services. See those and other things at cote.io/pivotal.
                                                                                          • Show notes
                                                                                            • If you like video, see this episodes’ video recording.
                                                                                            • HPE on the block?
                                                                                              • Coverage: “several private equity firms, including KRR, Apollo Global Management and the Carlyle Group, are looking to pay $40 billion or more to buy HPE outright”
                                                                                              • Bill Hilf out of HPE, another cloud re-org at HPE
                                                                                              • Let’s compare: IBM, Oracle, EMC/Dell, even Verizon/Yahoo! - big tech companies surviving long term.
                                                                                              • Meanwhile: rumors of Rackspace going private.
                                                                                              • YAHOO!
                                                                                                • What’s Verizon doing over there?
                                                                                                • Coté’s notes on this: one and two.
                                                                                                • ChefConf
                                                                                                  • Unified products as Automate
                                                                                                  • Certifications!
                                                                                                  • Lots of videos
                                                                                                  • Recommendations
                                                                                                    • Brandon: Stranger Things
                                                                                                    • Matt: Utopia/Homeland2. My kids love Tim Tams. Manly. http://fan-o-rama.com/
                                                                                                    • Coté: Field Notes Byline, reporter's notebook.
                                                                                                    • 50 min
                                                                                                    • Episode 14: Building a cloud in 30 minutes, metrics are a distraction

                                                                                                      "I get to see your face during this podcast," Matt says as we start talking about SpringOne Platform. Both of us were there and we recap Matt's talk on managing 10 Pivotal Cloud Foundry instances, namely, how they figured out using a Concourse pipeline to automate much of that management. We discuss "how to do the transformation" talks we liked, like the Citi talk.

                                                                                                      In addition to some other random digital transformation topics, we also discuss how HR policies are struggling to change with things like pair programming and DevOps.

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                                                                                                      Show-notes and Links
                                                                                                      • Matt Curry: @mattjcurry
                                                                                                      • Coté: @cote, cote.io
                                                                                                      • Libsyn downloads as of 20160912: 643

                                                                                                        50 min
                                                                                                      • Episode 13: The changing nature of open source & Loco Moco, with Barton George
                                                                                                        Summary

                                                                                                        I've had a theory that the hard-line philosophy of open source has softened in recent times. Rather than thinking closed source is to be avoided at all costs, I think most developer types are a lot more willing to accept closed source bits mixed in with open source bits. That is, open core has "won." I discuss this topic with my long time pal, Barton George, while at SpringOne Platform, plus the work he's doing in the developer and OSS worlds at Dell.

                                                                                                        We also talk about Hawaiian food.

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                                                                                                        Show Notes and Links
                                                                                                        • Find Barton George at bartongeorge.net and in Twitter at @barton808.
                                                                                                        • Cuisine of Hawaii
                                                                                                        • Coté: @cote, cote.io
                                                                                                        • Libsyn downloads as of 20160912: 219.

                                                                                                          Special Guest: Barton George

                                                                                                          17 min
                                                                                                        • Episode 67: Fried chicken, Docker Swarm, tech journalism, or, "but that sweet @MattRay interpolation, tho."
                                                                                                          SPONSOR
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                                                                                                          • Get $50 off DevOpsDays Minneapolis, July 20th and 21st, with the code SDT2016. I'll be getting some for Chicago and Seattle sometime too.
                                                                                                          • August 1st to 4th, SpringOne Platform – I'll be talking on DevOps and generally hanging out with the cloud native folks. You can get $300 off registration when you use the code pivotal-cote-300.
                                                                                                          • Show notes
                                                                                                            • If you like video, see this episodes' video recording.
                                                                                                            • Rainbow Chicken vs. Chick-fil-A
                                                                                                              • The "happy meal" barter system.
                                                                                                              • The Left needs some fried chicken chain.
                                                                                                              • DockerCon
                                                                                                                • Docker now includes SwarmKit, making K8s more contentious
                                                                                                                • In LinkedIn, well documented exploration of Docker adoption in big firms by LinkedIn profiles.
                                                                                                                • Shows exponential growth vs. Java, Ruby on Rails, visualization terms
                                                                                                                • Is there product strategy going on in the container space?
                                                                                                                  • Accident-driven intentionality.
                                                                                                                  • Yes, they're building up momentum and then monetization.
                                                                                                                  • Midroll
                                                                                                                    • SpringOne Platform - funny name, etc. $300 off registration with code pivotal-cote-300.
                                                                                                                    • ChefCon - July 11th and 13th in Austin!
                                                                                                                    • Brook & Bob memorial segment, On the Tech Media
                                                                                                                      • Matt Asay piece: The press will believe anything about open source. Not all Sunshine and Lollipops in Open Source Land
                                                                                                                      • What do expect?
                                                                                                                      • What's business model?
                                                                                                                      • Apple & ZFS
                                                                                                                        • More detail than you'd care to want
                                                                                                                        • It's like a story of the ups and (mostly) downs of enterprise infrastructure software. Also, the flirtation nature of announcements that keeps eager nerd-beavers on tender-hooks.
                                                                                                                        • BONUS LINKS! Not covered in show
                                                                                                                          Infrastructure Software is Dead, or, "With friends like these…"
                                                                                                                          • Hard truths from Mirantis
                                                                                                                          • "Everybody's OpenStack software is equally bad."
                                                                                                                          • "But none of this matters, because today customers don't care about software. Customers care about outcomes." (Because, you know, they used to not care about outcomes…? Plz. advise.)
                                                                                                                          • Infrastructure Investments by Cloud Service Providers
                                                                                                                            • Charts! Numbers! Cloud!
                                                                                                                            • I like her By the Numbers thing. Coté used to do something like that and it was fun to put together.
                                                                                                                            • 10 Hour Maintenance Windows on Oracle Cloud?
                                                                                                                              • I seem to remember Google having something similar
                                                                                                                              • Operational Best Practices for Serverless
                                                                                                                                • Charity Major's write-up from her talk at the #Serverless conference
                                                                                                                                • If you chose a provider, you do not get to just point your finger at them in the post mortem and say it's their fault. You chose them, it's on you. It's tacky to blame the software or the service, and besides your customers don't give a shit whose "fault" it is.
                                                                                                                                • Checking in on CostCo
                                                                                                                                  • Which Visa to get
                                                                                                                                  • Recommendations
                                                                                                                                    • Brandon: Chaos Monkeys.
                                                                                                                                    • Matt: Boston Dynamics robot video & moar falling robots! The Inevitable. Also, the podcast mentioned earlier: "Brian Christian on Algorithms to Live By," presented at The Long Now Foundation.
                                                                                                                                    • Coté: Hey, as beef sticks go, the Ostrim ones look pretty good. No sugar, mostly? Also, The King Killer Chronicles.
                                                                                                                                    • 1 hr 3 min

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