Software Sales Simplified: MOVE to Success

This Week's Episode:This episode features insights from sales expert Sacha Kupaj on mastering enterprise sales, leveraging AI, and building effective team strategies. Discover practical tips on discovery calls, stakeholder management, and adapting to the evolving sales landscape.

About our Guest - Sacha Kupaj

Sacha Kupaj is a France-born enterprise sales leader based in Austin, who moved to the U.S. in 2018, began his career as an SDR, and has grown into a senior enterprise sales role at Conversica, where he focuses on conversational AI and complex customer engagement.

His career reflects a progression from frontline prospecting to enterprise-level selling and hospitality solution leadership, combining hands-on sales discipline, mentorship, competitive research, and a strong belief that AI can improve seller preparation, but trust, curiosity, and human execution still win complex deals.

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Conversica - LinkedIn Page

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Simplified

01:02 The Role of SDRs in Sales

03:01 Transitioning from SDR to Enterprise Sales

08:59 The Importance of Mentorship in Sales

11:52 AI's Role in Enterprise Selling

16:01 Human Element in Sales

19:46 Collaboration and Team Dynamics in Sales

24:53 Leveraging Team Synergy for Sales Success

27:28 Building Trust and Emotional Connections in Sales

29:18 Effective Communication and Collaboration Strategies

32:19 The Importance of Preparation and Dry Runs

35:01 The Role of Humility and Continuous Learning in Sales

35:35 Navigating Transitions in Sales Roles and Industries

38:41 Understanding the Competitive Landscape in AI Sales

40:36 Leveraging AI for Sales Efficiency and Research

45:43 Advice for Aspiring and Established Sales Professionals

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This Week's Episode:

In this episode, JD Miller, author of 'The AI Handbook for Sales Professionals,' joins Kevin Donville and Matt Long to explore how AI is transforming sales. They discuss practical applications, ethical considerations, and strategies for leveraging AI to enhance human skills in enterprise sales.

About our Guest - JD Miller, Ph.D.:

JD Miller Ph.D., is a seasoned executive leader specializing in sales transformations for PE-backed and pre-IPO firms. With six exits and decades of experience in multinational tech companies, he excels in building high-performing teams and implementing rapid growth strategies. As an Operating Advisor for Five Arrows Capital Partners, JD leverages his expertise at the intersection of business, technology, and humanity to strengthen the companies he works with. A frequently-requested conference speaker, JD also shares his roadmap to success in the bestselling book “The CRO’s Guide to Winning in Private Equity.”

Learn more about JD Miller PhD at: ⁠⁠https://www.jdmillerphd.com/

JD's Latest Book: The AI Handbook for Sales Professionals:

https://www.jdmillerphd.com/aihandbook

Additional Resource: AI-Sales-Fail.com: ⁠https://ai-sales-fail.com⁠

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Ep 42: Talking About AI

01:57 The AI Handbook for Sales Professionals

04:55 Understanding AI in Sales

08:27 Transforming Sales with AI

11:21 The Future of Sales Jobs

13:34 The Risks of Over-Reliance on AI

16:37 Adapting to AI in Sales Careers

20:33 Organizational AI Integration

22:44 Establishing Governance for AI Tools

24:23 Navigating Expertise and Trust in AI

25:52 AI's Role in Enhancing Sales Engineering

27:58 Leveraging AI for Effective Communication

30:15 AI as a Writing Companion

32:40 Synthesizing Data and Ethical Considerations

36:35 Embracing AI: Strategies for Organizations

39:15 The Human Element in AI Integration

47:22 See You Next Episode!

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This Week's Episode:

This episode explores the rise of fractional leadership, its benefits, challenges, and how organizations can leverage this model for growth. Featuring insights from Andrew Devlin, a seasoned fractional leader, the discussion covers strategic implementation, infrastructure, and the future of fractional roles.

About our Guest - Andrew Dev:

Andrew Devlin spent 25 years building some of the highest-performing sales organizations in North American technology — leading teams at Cisco, Splunk, Cloudflare, and TELUS that generated over $2 billion in revenue and developed more than 100 sales professionals to President's Club. Recognized as Cisco's Sales Leader of the Year and ranked in the top 1% of global sales leaders, Andrew has a track record of building the kind of sales infrastructure that doesn't just hit quota — it outlasts the people who built it.

Today, as President of ScaleTech CRO and a Sales Xceleration Certified Advisor (President's Circle), Andrew works as a Fractional VP of Sales for B2B companies between $10M and $100M — helping founders and CEOs transition from instinct-driven selling to scalable, repeatable revenue. His current clients span Canada, the US, and Australia, with one achieving 192% of quota following a sales infrastructure overhaul. He also teaches B2B Sales at Okanagan College in Kelowna, BC.

Andrew's core belief: companies don't fail to scale because they lack salespeople — they fail because they never built the foundation those salespeople need to succeed.

Where to Learn More About Andrew:

You can find Andrew's profile on LinkedIn: ⁠⁠Andrew Devlin on LinkedIn⁠⁠

Andrew's Website: andrewdevlin.co

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Simplified

02:08 Understanding Fractional Leadership

03:53 Andrew Devlin's Journey and Insights

07:50 The Rise of Fractional Leadership

11:38 The Value of Fractional Executives

15:16 Implementing Fractional Leadership Effectively

18:59 Recognizing the Need for Fractional Leadership

22:50 Common Traps for Founders in Scaling

23:51 Building Infrastructure for Success

27:38 Understanding Customer Profiles and Market Dynamics

29:52 The Role of Fractional Leadership

34:35 Navigating Change and Trust in Organizations

43:22 Clarity and Scaling in Business

49:32 See You Next Episode

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This Week's Episode:

In this episode of Software Sales Simplified: Move to Success, Kevin and Matt catch up with Mark Krebs, a seasoned software sales leader with a diverse background in startups, accounting, and software. They explore the challenges of scaling sales organizations, the importance of process and methodology, authenticity in sales, and the psychological aspects of leadership and startup success.

About our Guest - Mark Krebs:

Mark Krebs is a seasoned sales and revenue leader with more than 20 years of experience in scaling high-growth software ventures and startup businesses. He currently serves as Vice President of Global Sales at Celebrus, and earlier in his career was part of the founding sales leadership team at OpinionLab, a SaaS company that was acquired by Verint Systems; prior to his SaaS work he trained and practiced as a CPA and senior auditor in Arthur Andersen’s entrepreneurial division.

Where to Learn More About Mark / Celebrus:

You can find Mark's profile on LinkedIn: ⁠Mark Krebs on LinkedIn⁠

Check out Celebrus here: Celebrus Homepage

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Simplified

01:05 Understanding Sales Organizations' Challenges

05:57 Mark Krebs: Insights from Experience

09:33 The Psychology of Sales Leadership

14:40 Navigating Market Maturity and Customer Understanding

18:59 The Importance of Curiosity in Sales

23:59 Identifying Sales Theater

29:24 Metrics and Methodologies in Sales

35:07 Leadership and Accountability in Sales

41:05 Final Thoughts and Advice for Sales Leaders

47:42 Like, Follow, Subscribe - See You Next Episode

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This Week's Episode:

In this episode of Software Sales Simplified: Move to Success, Kevin and Matt sit down with Craig Bloom, an expert in SaaS onboarding and customer success. They explore the importance of customer engagement and alignment between sales and service delivery teams. Craig shares his journey from film and advertising to customer success, highlighting how storytelling strengthens customer interactions. He explains how effective onboarding, proactive engagement, and early alignment on customer objectives improve satisfaction and retention. The conversation also emphasizes how curiosity about a customer’s business leads to better outcomes, with practical advice on fostering a culture of curiosity to drive long-term success.

About our Guest - Craig Bloom:

Craig Bloom is a post-sale leader operating at the intersection of software sales, onboarding, and customer value. He leads Americas Onboarding at Contentsquare, overseeing enterprise implementations and building the operating rhythms, handoffs, and cross-functional accountability that drive adoption, retention, and expansion. Throughout his career, Craig has led Enterprise Customer Success teams, improved net retention, and partnered closely with Sales and Solutions to align expectations and de-risk delivery. He also brings a background in behavioral analytics from Clicktale and consulting, helping teams identify journey friction and turn insights into measurable improvements.

Where to Learn More About Craig:

You can find Craig’s profile on LinkedIn: Craig Bloom on LinkedIn

Chapters

00:00 Introduction

01:13 The Importance of Engagement

03:27 Meet Craig: A Journey from Storytelling to SaaS

06:04 The Role of Onboarding

08:19 Using Storytelling to Enhance Customer Communication

10:31 Engagement vs. Enablement

12:30 Building Trust Through Curiosity

17:43 The Risk of Poor Engagement

20:50 Creating Effective Engagement

24:26 Bringing in Experts for Effective Execution

25:31 Understanding Customer Objectives

27:43 Building a Maturity Assessment

29:29 The Importance of Communication

30:46 Identifying Implementation Challenges

32:28 Creative Solutions for Resource Constraints

33:51 The Risk of Poor Engagement Plans

36:55 The Role of Communication in Customer Success

39:23 Positioning Professional Services Effectively

42:40 Fostering a Culture of Curiosity

49:51 See you next episode!

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This Week's Episode:

In this episode of 'Software Sales Simplified', Matt and Kevin engage with Chris O'Dowd, who shares his unique journey from the Marine Corps and FBI to enterprise software sales. The conversation explores the importance of genuine curiosity in sales, the impact of AI on sales processes, and the evolving expectations of buyers. Chris emphasizes the significance of building trust and relationships in sales, continuous learning, and the value of mentorship for new sales professionals.

About our Guest - Chris O’Dowd:

Chris O’Dowd is a seasoned sales leader and strategic account executive at Quantum Metric, where he partners with some of the world’s largest organizations to turn data-driven insights into better digital products and customer experiences.  With more than a decade of experience in enterprise sales and strategy, Chris brings a unique and diverse background spanning technology, financial services, federal law enforcement, and the military. 

Before entering the tech industry, he served as a Special Agent with the FBI, focusing on counterterrorism and human-source recruitment, an experience that shaped his analytical mindset, relentless pursuit of the truth, and ability to lead under pressure. He also spent time in compliance, risk management, and fraud as an audit investigator at UBS Financial Services. He began his career as an Infantry Officer and Operations Officer in the United States Marine Corps.

Now based in Nashville, Tennessee, and the father of three girls, Chris is an active member of the local tech community and enjoys engaging with partners and industry groups centered on business intelligence and analytics.

Where to Learn More About Chris:

You can find Chris’ profile on LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisodowd/

Chapters:

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Simplified

01:49 Chris O'Dowd's Unique Background

05:30 Transitioning from Military to Sales

09:10 Sales Methodology and Team Dynamics

13:01 The Importance of Curiosity in Sales

15:41 Utilizing Technology in Sales Conversations

19:43 The Value of In-Person Interactions

20:47 The Art of Asking Questions in Sales

23:13 Navigating the Shift to Virtual Sales

26:21 Understanding Buyer Behavior and Expectations

29:07 Leveraging AI in Sales Conversations

31:56 Building Trust in Large Organizations

36:21 Continuous Learning and Adaptation in Sales

39:24 Advice for New Sales Professionals

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In this episode of Software Sales Simplified, Kevin and Matt discuss the complexities and risks associated with AI chatbots, featuring expert Michael Wasielewski. The conversation covers the importance of security, governance, and the potential business risks that come with deploying AI chatbots. Michael shares insights on how organizations can implement effective strategies to mitigate risks while leveraging the benefits of generative AI. The discussion emphasizes the need for a balanced approach that considers both technology and human interaction.

About our Guest - Michael Wasielewski:

Michael Wasielewski is a seasoned cybersecurity and cloud security leader with over 20 years of experience spanning enterprise IT security, global cloud platforms, and AI risk management. He has held senior roles at organizations including AWS, and Capgemini, where he led global security strategy and helped enterprises adopt cloud and generative AI technologies securely while driving real business outcomes. Today, Michael is the founder of Generative Security, where he focuses on protecting AI-powered applications—especially customer-facing chatbots—by addressing both technical threats and the often-overlooked business risks of generative AI deployment.

Where to Learn More About Michael:

You can find John’s profile on LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/mwasielewskijr/

Where to Learn More About Generative Security:

https://generativesecurity.ai/

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Simplified

02:12 Exploring AI Chatbots in Sales

03:43 Michael Wasielewski's Background in AI Security

07:31 Understanding Risks of AI Chatbots

10:06 Approaches to Implementing AI Chatbots

13:38 The Limitations of AI Understanding

14:34 Defining Guardrails in AI Chatbots

18:14 Agentic vs. Generative AI Workflows

20:17 Malicious Uses of AI Chatbots

23:52 Exploiting AI Chatbots' Intent

25:59 Understanding Competitive Risks in AI

28:59 Governance and Risk Management in AI Deployment

35:00 Business vs. Technology Risks in AI

40:18 The Role of Business Teams in AI Security

49:12 Key Takeaways for AI Implementation

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In this episode of Software Sales Simplified, hosts Kevin and Matt sit down with John Cavanagh, a seasoned sales professional, to explore the intricacies of software sales, the importance of mentorship, and the evolving landscape influenced by AI. John shares his career journey, highlighting the significance of internships (co-op programs), the value of understanding customer needs, and the qualities of effective sales leaders. The conversation delves into the necessity of empathy in sales, the role of training and role-playing, and the challenges posed by AI in the sales process. John emphasizes the importance of building trust and nurturing relationships in achieving long-term success in sales; success which John stresses requires a seller to remain curious to be effective.

About our Guest - John Cavanaugh:

John Cavanaugh 20 year software sales veteran, primarily in the online learning and HR Tech space. He works with customers to understand business challenges and form a collaborative approach to solve them. A multiple time President’s Club member, he started his career in pre-sales and sales operations before moving to enterprise sales 20 years ago. He currently serves as a Sr. Enterprise Account Executive at Attensi. Attensi is a bleeding edge provider of bespoke situational gaming simulations designed to be immersive, fun, and engaging. The outcomes are enabling behavior change at scale, increasing employee confidence, and measurable business impact.

Where to Learn More About John:

You can find John’s profile on LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/johncavanaugh/⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Simplified

01:13 Inspirational Sales Leaders

02:39 John Kavanagh's Career Journey Begins

03:09 The Value of Co-op Programs

04:31 Understanding Their Benefits

05:04 First Co-op: Learning the Sales Landscape

07:08 Navigating Challenges in Early Roles

10:53 Transitioning to Sales

11:53 Culture Shock at Centra Software

14:19 Experiencing Virtual Learning

17:12 Learning from Different Personalities

19:15 Finding Your Unique Style

19:38 The Essence of Effective Selling

21:17 The Role of Leadership

24:05 Building Trust in Sales Relationships

27:33 Navigating the AI Landscape

32:18 The Importance of Customer Advocacy

33:10 Innovative Sales Training Techniques

38:40 Learning from Failures

39:45 Advice for Aspiring Sales Professionals

45:01 Bye for Now!

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This Week's Episode:

In this episode of Software Sales Simplified, hosts Kevin and Matt discuss the current landscape of hiring and recruitment in the software sales industry with expert Robyn Gilmartin. They explore the impact of AI on recruitment processes, the challenges candidates face in a competitive job market, and the importance of networking and building relationships. Robyn shares insights on how candidates can stand out, the role of experience in hiring, and strategies for companies to streamline their recruitment processes. The conversation also touches on shifting priorities in recruitment and the need for companies to retain top performers.

About our Guest - Robyn Gilmartin:

Robyn Gilmartin is a seasoned recruiter with nearly 30 years of experience building high-performing teams in the software / SaaS industry. She works directly with executives in growth mode to attract and retain elite GTM talent who consistently outperform. Robyn’s placements don’t just fill roles, they consistently accelerate business outcomes. Her candidates regularly stack rank at the top of their teams, earn Rookie of the Year and President’s Club honors, and advance quickly into leadership.

Where to Learn More About Robyn:

You can find Robyn’s profile on LinkedIn:  ⁠⁠ https://www.linkedin.com/in/robyngilmartin/

 You can find ForefrontSearch here: https://www.linkedin.com/company/forefront-executive-search-llc/

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Insights

03:59 Current Trends in Hiring and Recruiting

08:07 The Shift from Candidate-Driven to Client-Driven Markets

12:06 The Role of AI in Recruitment

20:47 Standing Out in a Competitive Job Market

24:38 Networking and Building Relationships for Success

30:38 The Importance of Storytelling in Interviews

32:39 Navigating the Recruitment Landscape

35:21 The Reality of Internal Hiring Practices

38:10 Age and Experience in the Job Market

40:08 Bad Practices in Hiring and Retention

43:02 The Evolution of Sales Compensation

46:33 Streamlining the Recruitment Process

52:35 Like Follow and Subscribe

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This Week's Episode:

In this episode of 'Software Sales Simplified', Kevin and Matt engage with podcasting expert Ryan R. Sullivan to explore the significance of podcasting in business, particularly in the realm of software sales. They discuss the benefits of starting a podcast, the importance of identifying a niche, and foundational strategies for success. Ryan shares insights on the complications of corporate podcasting, the value of client interviews, and the role of storytelling in sales. The conversation emphasizes the need for consistency in podcasting and how to leverage content across various platforms. Ryan also introduces a program for businesses to test podcasting before fully committing, highlighting the potential impact of podcasts on personal and professional growth.

About our Guest - Ryan R. Sullivan:

Ryan makes music, podcasts, and creative strategies. He’s the owner of Podcast Principles, a boutique content strategy and production company for B2B businesses. After his own podcast and music career took off in 2019, he began helping other business owners launch their own. 

Since then, he’s helped hundreds of founders, entrepreneurs, and multi-platinum artists around the world launch and grow their podcasts and media brands. His mission is to help thousands of business owners expand their reach and revenue through the power of creative podcasting and media.

Where to Learn More About Ryan:

You can find Ryan’s profile on LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/sullybop/

You can check out his podcast here:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/podcast-principles/

Chapters

00:00 Introduction to Software Sales Simplified

01:21 The Importance of Podcasting in Business

02:24 Ryan Sullivan: Podcasting Expert

04:03 Benefits of Starting a Podcast

05:58 Identifying Your Niche for Podcasting

08:21 Foundational Strategies for Podcast Success

10:12 Getting Started with Podcasting

12:34 The Evolution of Podcasting Skills

13:56 The Market's Role in Podcast Success

17:43 Podcasting for Sales Professionals

20:28 Navigating Complications in Corporate Podcasting

23:30 The Power of Authentic Storytelling

26:38 Podcasting vs. Podcast-Style Content

29:50 Shifting Focus from Software to Stories

32:58 Leveraging Podcast Content Across Platforms

38:08 Testing the Waters with Podcasting

39:54 Finding Your Voice in Podcasting

45:34 See You Next Week!

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