Rick Hoppe spent 33 years in Army infantry, counterintelligence, and the Defense Intelligence Agency — including a stint on General Petraeus's staff during the Iraq surge — before turning that same pattern-reading eye inward as a memoirist, novelist, and creator of the “Eight Stages” framework for how revolutions form. In this episode, Rick and Hugo talk prediction, PTSD, veteran suicide and the “tribe” theory behind it, and his rule for living: it's okay to die, it's not okay to lose.
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