What if the only real failure… is refusing to learn?

This week on Mpactful Messages: The Let’s Talk About It Podcast, Mayce DelValle and Missy Washam sit down with Brian Brogen, Chief Inspiration Officer and construction industry leader, for a conversation that hits at the heart of growth, leadership, and perspective.

Centered around this week’s quote, “Sometimes you win, sometimes you learn.” – John Maxwell, they talk about it and challenge the way leaders view mistakes, setbacks, and failure.

Brian brings real-world insight from years in construction and leadership development... sharing what it looks like to lead through mistakes instead of avoiding them. From the pressure leaders feel to “have it all together,” to the impact of perfectionism, to the importance of reflection and ownership... this conversation brings leadership down to where it actually happens... in the day-to-day.

They also explore what separates strong leaders from struggling ones... not the absence of failure, but how they respond to it. The willingness to take responsibility, learn, and move forward doesn’t just shape results... it shapes culture.

If you’ve ever wrestled with getting it right, leading through mistakes, or helping your team grow through setbacks... this episode will challenge your perspective and push your leadership forward.

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