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Tom Petty's quote: “I compare it to fishing: There’s either a fish in the boat or there’s not. Sometimes you come home and you didn’t catch anything and sometimes you caught a huge fish. But that was the work part of it to me. I just remember being excited when I had a song done, and I knew I had a song in my pocket.”

Joseph talks about all the ways songwriting is like fishing and what we can learn about effective songwriting processess from it.