You always learn the truth from the mentally insane (and children). This episode Pan & Samia cover Pan's love of Waitrose, existential psychotherapy, taking your kids to casting calls, the downside of meeting famous people, co-dependency in your vocation and knowing when its ok to give up. Oh yeah and Pan's back pain.

Intro Music by David Dower http://www.daviddowermusic.com

When is a cafe not a cafe? When its an existential art project. Pan and Samia talk about Pan's new shop, Samia's quest for artistic fulfilment through her new show reel, naming Pan's new child and where's good to go on a Sunday. Plus middle class holiday destinations, baby names, memory foam, Scientologists, depression, Russell Brand and Homeland (spoilers!).

Intro Music by David Dower http://www.daviddowermusic.com

A Confederacy of References: Walt Whitman and other classic that have been foisted upon us, authors with three names are confusing, "ordinary people" (eye roll), emotional prostitution and setting up (and closing down) coffee shops. Oh and Pan gets a tattoo! Warning this episode was recorded in a wind tunnel next to a diesel generator so sorry ears... Music by David Dower http://daviddowermusic.com

Everyone gets a mention: Karl the sound editor, Pan's accountant, Suzie, Ben, The Ice Cream Van, the washing machine, our daughters. We also talk about laser treatments, astrology, books, botox, anal bleaching and lip fillers. Plus the usual dead air and incessant laughing at our own jokes. Intro Music by David Dower http://www.daviddowermusic.com

Pan and Samia talk: back pain; whether wearing a suit makes you a dick; yoga and meditation; and is that hum in the background annoying ?

Pan and Samia talk yoga, pilates and psychosomatic symptoms