What happens to the American economy, not just the American military, if China wins the space race?
In this episode of the Spacepower Podcast, SFA Founder and host Bill Woolf sits down with Randy Schriver, Chair of the U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission, and Mike Kuiken, its Vice Chair, joined by co-host Dillon "Brick" Cox, Chair of SFA's National Spacepower Center Committee. Together they work through one of the most important questions in national security that most Americans aren't asking: what does contested space actually cost us?
The Commission's 2025 Annual Report to Congress was approved unanimously by all twelve commissioners, six Republicans, six Democrats. In a Washington where almost nothing gets bipartisan agreement, that consensus is the story.
Randy Schriver served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Indo-Pacific Security Affairs. He describes returning to government, getting his clearances back, and walking into his first briefing: "My mind exploded." General Saltzman called China's space advancement "mind-boggling." That's not a phrase you hear from a four-star general.
Mike Kuiken spent nearly 23 years in the U.S. Senate, over a decade on the Armed Services Committee and then as Senate Majority Leader Schumer's National Security Advisor. He led the legislative strategy to pass the CHIPS Act.
In this conversation, Randy, Mike, and Brick discuss:
- Why China's space advancement exceeded even experienced Pentagon officials' expectations
- The carrier battle group problem: how China went from intermittent tracking to persistent targeting of U.S. forces transiting the Pacific
- What breaks first for ordinary Americans: GPS, telecommunications, financial timing, the power grid
- Why China's military-civil fusion means there is no such thing as a Chinese civilian space program
- The CHIPS Act parallel: are we making the same mistake in space that we made in semiconductors?
- Why the Space Force has a visibility problem no other service faces, and why that makes building legislative support nearly impossible
- What it would take to make a Fortune 500 CEO truly understand 48 hours without GPS
- The one thing Randy and Mike would tell a lawmaker who wants to do the right thing but doesn't know where to start
Hosted by Bill Woolf Co-hosted by Dillon "Brick" Cox Produced by Ty Holliday
Randy Schriver, Chair, U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission. Previously served as Assistant Secretary of Defense for Indo-Pacific Security Affairs.
Mike Kuiken, Vice Chair, U.S.-China Economic and Security Review Commission. Nearly 23 years in the U.S. Senate, including over a decade on the Armed Services Committee and as Senate Majority Leader Schumer's National Security Advisor. Led the legislative strategy to pass the CHIPS and Science Act.
Read the 2025 Annual Report to Congress: https://www.uscc.gov/annual-report/2025-annual-report-congress
Learn more about SFA's National Spacepower Center: https://ussfa.org/national-space-center/
Learn more about the U.S. Space Force: https://www.spaceforce.mil/
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