The Software Process and Measurement Cast 406 features our interview with Erik van Veenendaal.  We discussed Agile testing, risk and testing, the Test Maturity Model Integrated (TMMi), and why in an Agile world quality and testing still matter. Erik van Veenendaal (www.erikvanveenendaal.nl) is a leading international consultant and trainer, and a recognized expert in the area of software testing and requirement engineering. He is the author of a number of books and papers within the profession, one of the core developers of the TMap testing methodology, a participant in working parties of the International Requirements Engineering Board (IREB). He is one of the founding members of the TMMi Foundation, the lead developer of the TMMi model and currently a member of the TMMi executive committee. Erik is a frequent keynote and tutorial speaker at international testing and quality conferences. For his major contribution to the field of testing, Erik received the European Testing Excellence Award (2007) and the ISTQB International Testing Excellence Award (2015). You can follow Erik on twitter via @ErikvVeenendaal. Re-Read Saturday News This week we continue our re-read of ’s , Second Edition with a discussion of .  This week we dive into design and scaling. These chapters  address two critical and controversial topics that XP profoundly rethought. I am still collecting thoughts on what to read next. Is it time to start thinking about what is next: a re-read or a new read?  Thoughts? Use the link to X in the show notes when you buy your copy to read along to support both the blog and podcast. Visit the Software Process and Measurement Blog (www.tcagley.wordpress.com) to catch up on past installments of Re-Read Saturday. Next SPaMCAST The next Software Process and Measurement Cast will focus on our recent revisit of Test Driven Development (TDD).  TDD is an important feature of XP that can be (and should be) used if quality and efficiency are important to your organization. We will also have a new column from Steve Tendon (welcome back Steve!)  and Gene Hughson AND maybe one more but we will see!    Shameless Ad for my book! co-authored by Murali Chematuri and myself and published by J. Ross Publishing. We have received unsolicited reviews like the following: “This book will prove that software projects should not be a tedious process, for you or your team.” Support SPaMCAST by buying the book nglish and Chinese.