In which Ethan and Jo discuss what it means to call someone evil and how complicated the idea can be. A warning for our listeners who might not need to hear about suicide or homophobia right now, this episode gets into those topics. Feel free to come back when you're ready (or just listen to the first 15 minutes and then peace out). 

Editor's note: M Barclay's prounouns are they/them and we apologize for using incorrect pronouns for them.