In which Rev. Dr. Alina Gayeuski joins Jo to discuss her ministry journey, feminism, and her upcoming book, Beyond the Stained Glass Ceiling.

Read a sample of the book or preorder it directly here.

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Here's that video of male clergy reading things folks have said to female clergy.

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In which Ethan and Jo discuss preparing for ICE actions in your community and whether clergy should be martyrs.

The Patheos article we discuss is https://www.patheos.com/blogs/ecopreacher/2026/01/clergy-prepare-for-ice-guidance-from-minnesota-pastors/

The reporting we used for about the Episcopal bishops is https://religionnews.com/2026/01/15/two-episcopal-bishops-say-clergy-may-have-to-put-bodies-on-the-line-to-resist-ice/

The book Ethan references is Auschwitz and After https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_and_After

In which Spanks and the Dude discuss AI.

In which Ethan and Jo discuss William James and American Pragmatism.

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In which Jo and Pamela discuss the Hands Off protests, protest safety, intersectionality, and the roles clergy can play in protests.

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In which Ethan and Jo discuss what to do when ministries become too precious, folks become too unreliable, and your leadership style needs an overhaul.

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In which Spanks Rebok and the Dude discuss art, theology, and how we cannot separate ourselves from the things that have made us.

The podcast Jo talks about is Weird Little Guys: https://www.iheart.com/podcast/1119-weird-little-guys-201395214/

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In which Ethan and Jo reflect on Jo's ordination for the inaugural episode of season 7.

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In which Spanks and the Dude reach across time and space to discuss an experience the Dude had while reading scripture on Maundy Thursday.

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In which Ethan and Jo discuss what qualifies as systematic theology and discuss how to make your own theology more systematic.

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