In which Ethan and Jo discuss preparing for ICE actions in your community and whether clergy should be martyrs.

The Patheos article we discuss is https://www.patheos.com/blogs/ecopreacher/2026/01/clergy-prepare-for-ice-guidance-from-minnesota-pastors/

The reporting we used for about the Episcopal bishops is https://religionnews.com/2026/01/15/two-episcopal-bishops-say-clergy-may-have-to-put-bodies-on-the-line-to-resist-ice/

The book Ethan references is Auschwitz and After https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auschwitz_and_After