Today's episode comes to you from Dragonmeet 2025, where Paolo of Lost Pages and I talked about magic in games and how it sometimes doesn't feel very magical. Apologies for the sound quality; I think it's pretty good for being a whole huge room recorded on my phone, but that still isn't amazing overall.

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Thanks to Ray Otus for our thumbnail image. The intro music is a clip from "Solve the Damn Mystery" by Jesse Spillane, used under a Creative Commons Attribution License.