Today’s episodes of Our World As We See It and Education Today are preempted by special programming for KPFA’s 2025 Spring Fund Drive.

C.S. Soong speaks with Norma Wong about her book When No Thing Works: A Zen and Indigenous Perspective on Resilience, Shared Purpose, and Leadership in the Timeplace of Collapse.

To support our mission and receive Norma Wong’s book When No Thing Works as a thank-you gift, please donate here or call (800) 439-5732 (800-HEY-KPFA).

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