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On tonight’s show, we analyze the US elections that took place last week. In a historic sweep, the Republicans led by former president Donald Trump won the elections, well defeating a historic candidate in Kamala Harris, a female South Asian and Black candidate – three historic firsts that once more eludes the American presidency.

What do these results mean for South Asian diaspora in the US, and the South Asian subcontinent? How do we make sense of this historic win for the right? How do we situate this win in the larger context of political shifts and turmoil in the world? Listen to Preeti Mangala Shekar discussing all this and more, with DC-based Indian American writer, organizer Pranay Somayajula, from Hindus for Human Rights.

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Pranay Somayajula’s podcast Return to Bandung.

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On tonight’s APEX Express, we spotlight the historic student protests in Bangladesh. This South Asian country has been witness to rising tensions and protests in recent months. Large demonstrations forced Hasina to flee to India in August this year, and an interim government led by Nobel Peace Prize winning economist Muhammad Yunus took charge.

What is the significance of these student-led protests? Listen to key reflections and perspectives by Bangladeshi diaspora in the bay area. Dr. Ahmed Badruzzaman from the Bangladesh Environmental Network and UC Berkeley and veteran feminist social justice activist Zakia Afrin share their views, thoughts and hopes for the future and well being of Bangladesh.

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Cheryl: Good evening, everyone. You are tuned in to APEX Express. I’m your host, Cheryl Truong and tonight is an AACRE night. What is AACRE might be asking. Comprised of 11 grassroots, social justice groups, the Asian Americans for civil rights and Equality Network– AACRE– leverages the power of its network to focus on longterm movement building and support for Asian Americans committed to

the fight for social justice. Speaking of AACRE groups. APEX Express is proud to be apart of the AACRE Network. 

Joining us for tonight’s show from Yokuts also known as Fresno, california is my special, big hearted friend Shai Chang from Hmong Innovating Politics. Also known as HIP. Shai, do you mind introducing yourself? Who are you, who are your people, and where do you come from? 

Shai Chang: Yes, thank you so much for having me on the show. My name is Shai pronouns are they and them.

I’m located in Yokuts Valley, currently in Fresno, California. I’m actually working with Hmong Innovating Politics located both in Sacramento and Fresno. I’m in the Fresno. And officially, just recently in October, I got my name title changed to be the Trans and Queer Fresno Community Organizer.

So I am so ecstatic to be doing the trans and queer work in the Central Valley, yeah, born and raised in Fresno, Hmong, Southeast Asian, and really, actually I was born in a house. The rest of my siblings were born in the hospital. We were actually, the reason why was because we were trying to go to the hospital and my dad was like, Oh, wait for me, wait for me, wait for me, and couldn’t wait any longer.

Cheryl: And then you just popped out. You couldn’t wait any longer. Did your dad make it in time?

Shai Chang: I think my dad made it in time, but only in time for us to come out. 

Cheryl: I didn’t know that about you, Shai, that you were a home birth. How many siblings do you have? 

Shai Chang: I have five other siblings. We were all born one year apart.

Honestly, like, growing up, I really loved the idea of, Oh, we’re all born one year apart. It’s so nice. My siblings were so close. And now I’m looking back, Oh my gosh, my mom. Oh 

Cheryl: my gosh. are any of your siblings also trans or queer? 

Shai Chang: No, um, one of them is queer, but, the rest of my family is, actually very progressive and a great ally to me.

So I’ve been very privileged and blessed. 

Cheryl: Do you think that’s a common Hmong queer experience to have supportive and progressive parents? 

Shai Chang: so I’m not actually out to my parents or my grandparents or my uncles or some of my aunts. I am out to my siblings and so I think it’s very interesting and I’m still grappling along with that as well.

I think there is internal work to be done. It’s that both I think it’s, this is a reality of some things. It’s that outside of the community, I’m queer and trans and at home, I’m very much having to play a role. My dad is a shaman and so he does do, they do come from a lot more like traditional values and conservative values.

And at the same time, they are progressive on things. I think that they understand racial issues. But not gender issues. So you can wear, for example, I would say like my aunt, she it’s like progressive and the most conservative ways, so it’s like. Oh yeah, I’m totally okay that you’re gay, Shai, but if my kids wore earrings, that’s too feminine.

Cheryl: Thanks for sharing that shy. It’s sounds like you’ve had to navigate a lot of different spaces, also expectations. 

I’m curious, what was it like growing up queer in Fresno? 

Shai Chang: I think that it has really shaped me because I feel like I came into my queerness and my transness so late. I feel like I came into being who and knowing who I am or what I am so late into my life.

It wasn’t until I was much more exposed into the organizing work over in the Bay Area. And so obviously big props to Lavender Phoenix. 

Cheryl: Love them. Shout out Lavender Phoenix. 

Shai Chang: And just really seeing so many of the organizers really live and their truth and who they are. And I. And having to also trying to figure out what that means for myself as well.

Also knowing that How many other like Hmong trans queer folks are also might be going through the same thing as well. And so there is a definitely a strong sense of unwelcome this or not even unwelcome this, but not the intentional welcome. Right. When we think of radical welcome. From Lavender Phoenix, there is a lack of radical welcomeness within our Hmong community, and so, especially for trans and queer folks, and it wasn’t until just this year that there’s a in the Hmong community, there’s 18 clans, or our last names, and there’s an organization over in the Midwest, over in Minnesota, Minneapolis that just then wrote a letter in Hmong talking about the recognition that, Hey we recognize that we have not been intentional in inviting like trans and queer people into our community.

So like one, it was super validating and two, that’s just like the bare minimum. Okay. They recognize it, but what did they do? Right. Nothing. And so, or, you know, for me I didn’t really see much, but also that’s so different. Like that, that lived experience over in Minnesota is so different from the lived experiences in California for our Hmong community.

And yeah. 

Cheryl: Yeah Shine you’re bringing up so many things. You’re so absolutely right. There is such a different between. Merely tolerating transness and queerness, such as you know, in the story you shared earlier but your aunt and her kid wearing earrings. And then also with the vagueness and The lack of action and accountability in the . Minneapolis letter. Versus the radical, welcoming. Of trans and queer folk, such as, is done in Lavender Phoenix, which. For folks who don’t know is also an AACRE group. that organizes is around building trans and queer AAPI power in the bay area. And I also love. That you called in that, of course there are differences in the lived experiences for the Hmong community in Minneapolis. Versus California. Because I also think that that’s super true to in the in lived experiences for trans and queer as in the bay, Area. You know, such as, what Lavender Phoenix does. Versus the transness and queerness that is experienced in the central valley, which is of course where a majority of Hmong Americans in California live. Which is also actually a great segue to talk about the amazing work that HIP does and the work that you lead with QHIP, which is for listeners who don’t know. Is short for Queer Hmong Intersectional Pride. Do you mind telling us what QHIP is and what led to its fruition.

Shai Chang: Yes, thank you so much. Back in 2018, I actually was, that’s when Hmong Innovating Politics actually branched out to Fresno. And that’s when I was like, Oh, I’ve heard about you all, like in the organizing work over in Sacramento. I will love to get involved. And literally that weekend that they came in Mytao one of the original organizers for, to, to branch out into Fresno, she actually messaged me, it’s Hey, I have this application that’s due on Sunday.

It’s Seeding Change. Can you apply for it? I was like, Yeah, sure, of course. It’s Friday. Also, how did you get my number? Ha ha ha ha ha., and so, like, it was just a great She actually got my number through, like, different connections here and there, and then that’s how she got my number, and then she contacted me, and she talked Yeah, and so, that’s how I got involved with HIP, was through Seeding Change.

I’ve already been trying to organize in the Fresno community around , Hmong and trans and queer issues, and, , Leadership has always, always been a very big issue. Just finding other trans and queer leaders, and I was very lucky, it was such a very strange time that one of my were One of my friends, um, friends now, but then, uh, actually it’s like this other random person came into Fresno and was like, Hey, I just got back from, Texas, and I am in Fresno. Like, I was born and raised in Fresno, I moved away, came back, and wanted to organize around trans and queer issues. I was like, no way! 

So, on top of that, Mytao, later in the summer, was able to organize to get us, funding, and so we got 3, 000 just to organize for trans and queer issues, and in the next two to three months, um, we got 20 people to start showing up. We met every single week. Wow! And then on top of that, we were hanging out for another two to three hours. So I honestly, we all use obviously like our own personal funding, our own like, like vehicles, transportation, pick it up folks just so that we can meet and really being housed in like HIP’s office.

And. To really honor HIP, we were also trying to think of our name for our own space because I think it came from actually like being, and I, I really also want to share that like quip, the reason I’m like, why QHIP? Why QHIP? Why not join any of the, like the trans and queer spaces? Let me be very clear about why not join any of the other gay spaces in Fresno?

So, and,, Fresno historically has been a very white cis space. male gay space. And so that’s really also we want to highlight that. There is like also trans spaces that just came more recently as well, Trans-E-Motion. But before that , we were actually then like, okay, let’s go and be a part of these organizing spaces as like our little group, right?

And we show up to these spaces and they’re asking, what’s your name? , who are you all? What’s your name? Are you gay little Asian boys? 

And so I share the stories. As to, like, how much it speaks volume to the microaggressions, the internal racism that exists, and as well as how much, like, work is done.

Like, why we need this space so much, right? When we show up to these spaces, we are not feeling that sense of belonging, that radical welcoming.

And so, Yeah, we just started organizing from there and then obviously we were being housed and so HIP was like, okay So do you want to spin off and do your own organizations? Who are you and What’s your five year plan and the whole time we’re like “What?!” I’ve never thought about a five year plan, you know, and got, yeah, that’s her name.

And also Katie Moua, who’s working with us as our , program director, you know. And so, we finally actually just this year became a program under HIP. So originally we were like a support group. We were just holding space and we just hit our five year last year and after seeing so much transition and leadership,, we just know that for, sustainability is that we need to make sure that we’re holding it somewhere and so HIP was able to hold that program space for us.

And so that’s just where and where we’re at right now. 

Cheryl: Thank you so much for sharing the origin storyof QHIP. It’s really inspiring to meto hear how organizations come to be? And. All of the community effort and community members that came together, recognizing a need and supported each other through it all. It really shows the power of mutual care and collective organizing. We’re going to take a quick music break, but there’ll be more on the incredible organizing workbeing done by QHIP for trans and queer Hmong folk in the central valley when we return. Up next. We’ll be listening to “GRLGNG” by Rocky Rivera. So stay tuned. We’ll be right back. 

Here’s “GRLGNG” by Rocky Rivera.

 And we’re back. You’re listening to apex express on 94.1 KPFA and 89.3 KPFB in Berkeley and also streaming online at kpfa.org. That last track was “GRLGNG” by Rocky Rivera. We’re here with Shai chang lead organizer of Queer Hmong Intersectional Pride (QHIP). A program by Hmong Innovating Politics, also known as hip. So far Shai has shared some powerful, personal stories about growing up queer and trans in a more conservative central valley. 

And how essential programs like QHIP are for helping trans and queer Hmong Americans. I thrive in such places which are often hard to find. We’ve learned about how QHIP. Came to be and how it was created by and for the community through effort and also through. I would say great courage. So Shai. Can you tell us a little bit more about the programming that QHIP does?

Shai Chang: Thank you so much for asking. A lot of the work that we do is rooted in healing justice. when we first came together, we just knew that. There’s so much trauma that we had. Um, so I, I say this because one, we were like, okay, like, should we open it up to, like, other Asian Pacific Islanders?

Should we do like a Southeast Asian, queer, trans work? And then, I was like, let’s look at the space we’re in currently. Who is in here with us? Like, how can we say that we’re a lot of the time, it’s, I think it’s frustrating that it’s always like, API, API, right? And there’s no other Pacific Islanders in this space.

Um, so it’s like to say that Hmong people are here and it’s okay for us to focus on Hmong communities. On top of that, we have so much particular trauma that if we then invite other folks into the space and they have their own intersectional trauma, how can we also hold space for them when we’re also then trying to figure out our own, like.

issues. And so, uh, not realizing that these were like rooted in healing justice. We just knew that we just needed space for ourselves and to heal and, and heal in different ways. And so in one of those ways, like, how can we heal and also have fun? And one of the organizers around that has been One of the events we did was Sports Day.

Um, I was like, okay, how does Sports Day relate to healing, you know? And it’s like, of course it does, right? We know that many times, like, trans and queer folks are not allowed to have fun in sports, are not allowed to be queer enough, like, they’re too queer, um, that they’re not allowed to be Performing to mask, to fan, and like in queer, like in sports.

And so, we know and we recognize that it’s so important for us to actually be able to live in these spaces as well. For us to reclaim these opportunities for ourselves. And so, um, It has shown up in many different ways. And so every single, almost every year we, we do something like that together. And so, uh, we did one in Sacramento and they’re all like, this is where the BIPOC people have been at.

Uh, because there is like a queer and like sports, like, uh, outing that is over there, but it’s always like predominantly white, and so when all of the people of color started showing up, I’m like, oh! Uh, and so it’s so funny. It’s so funny. Like, that we get to actually practice community, care, and love, and intentionality, and really finding space of joy for one another, especially If you want to like play volleyball, hit the ball back into a twerk, you know, like we’ve seen our Southeast Asian Filipinos, like

Cheryl: I love that image of just like this pack of like Hmong queer and trans folk just like rolling up, you know, I just love that image so, so much. And I love that point too. Like what does sports have to do with queer being queer and trans? And it has so much. It starts in those like little things, those little sports outings, being able to hit a volleyball and go into a twerk. That’s healing justice. Wow. That is so incredible. You mentioned that when QHIP first started, it was around 20 people.

What would you say like the age demographic is? of the people in QHIP. 

Shai Chang: So when we first started, no one was over 30. 

We had folks from high school, and we had folks, um, in like, uh, like over 18, um, and, uh, no one was over 30. Yeah, so we had a very young group and we can just see how like hip has also adapted into that as well It’s not like we have always been really young organizers and so When you were talking about the budding and the seedings like that’s what we do We train and we right now we are wanting to bring up and train other trans and queer leaders that really also want to be a part of the space too because One, like, to be very honest and transparent, if I’m gone, Quint is gone.

That’s what I mean by the sustainability of leadership. Like, I’m the one who’s holding this work right now. And because we have just recently expanded over to Sacramento to have Christine also hold that space, like, oh my god, Once I’m gone, it’s gone, right? And so 

so we actually Went um, we had a booth at the Hmong New Year’s. It was a queer and trans booth It’s super queer super trans and we were anticipating lots of pushback And so folks we actually just asked like our friends who I mean like I already didn’t have like queer friends already And so we asked our friends to just come and be in the booth with us, come organize with us, and then words kind of spread out around that, like, oh, there’s this thing, they’re doing this thing, and so folks came and volunteered.

And I need to share this story because, like, we were all anticipating people to come to our booth and push back. Um, we’ve, there’s like Christian monk folks there have come and done push back in the past, but there has never been like a trans and queer booth. Like a Hmong trans queer booth and so folks, we have like a photo booth in the back and the way that you can take brief pictures is that you just signed the board that I support Hmong LBTQ and really there was so much overwhelming love and support for us that many of the times like our own like folks, our own trans and queer folks, they had to take a pause and like, yeah, Actually, I need to take a break, right?

I think this overwhelming sense of love and care from community and so this is where it grew and this is where and how we grew and also knowing at the same time that like there’s so much multiple layers in this conversation, I’m sorry. Um, so it’s like One, there is so many overwhelming support, yes, and that’s how many people came and started to know about us and started organizing along with us.

And the other piece and part of it too is that right now and where I’m at now is that I’m trying to organize for trans and queer spaces for Hmong folks, and I’m really trying to invite community to come and be part of us, and at the same time, not seeing folks show up. Um, and so like when we had our organizing program, our 7, 8, 9 month long organizing program, first time this year, opening it up for like, community to apply and be part of, like, 4 folks applied, and they were all allies, um, and so I, yeah, I didn’t want to take that away from them as well, and so these are the people that applied, and these are the people that like, I will be working with, right?

And so when we went to the Pride Parade, and other, like, trans and queer Hmong folks showed up, and they’re like, Oh, is this an organizing program? And I was like, Yeah, it is! And they’re like, Oh, I should’ve applied! And I was like, Yeah, you should’ve! And so, We, Christina and I, we really had to sit in with that, and it’s like, why is that?

Why is that, like, a really challenging place? Um, and we really lean in back into that, like, in the Hmong community, there is such a lack of welcomeness. There is such a lack of belongingness, like, many times in the Fresno, and this is just, like, trans queer people in general, in the Central Valley, is that For you to be trans and queer, it’s for you to move away from home.

Um, go to the Bay Area, go to L. A. And so, um, in our name, Queer Hmong Intersectional Pride, Intersectional from Kimberly Crenshaw, is really where we are highlighting that you can be queer and you can be Hmong. And Many of the times it’s so hard for us to show up in like our own community because there’s like so much layers of like anti blackness, like patriarchy, uh, lots of gender justice that needs to be done, transformative and healing justice that needs to be done and I appreciate Lambda Phoenix for being so bold and I’m also sitting over here.

It’s like how can I be bold and I think about, like, for us, like, we were already ostracized by our own community, some, many of the times, like, unwelcomed, and for us to then fight to be in our own community, it’s such a big fight already, and then, like, folks would then welcome us, and then, okay, let’s talk about police brutality.

Right? How much of that would then also, um, be welcomed as well? And so really to be trans and queer is for us to be anti imperialist, anti capitalist, you know, anti, um, anti racism, right? And so Yeah, so like that’s that’s just so the realm that we’re like like Hmong and trans queer folks are living in and so our next steps for our quip is for really us to build our sense of belonging.

We’re going to be launching our campaign Love is Love or Luya Lu um to really highlight um that that piece of belongingness within our Hmong and transqueer community that we do need to find a sense of belonging, that we don’t need to be part of like our Hmong community to really find community, that we can have our own community and still be part Hmong and still be transqueer.

Cheryl: I love that so much,, the I in quip intersectional is you can be queer and mom. And I think that is so brilliant. And I wonder the whole that also that piece you shared about how a lot of, you know, queer and trans, trans People of the Central Valley leave to go to larger cities, more liberal quote unquote spaces.

I wonder, too, if that’s part of the reason why there was low signups for your organizing program, because so much of the trans and queer among folk that are in quip are all really young and are still reliant on living in the same household as their family.

Shai Chang: Yeah, thank you so much for highlighting that. Yes, that is so, so, so true. Um, I also really want to highlight that it’s so hard on our femme and women folk, our transqueer femme and women folk, um, because in our experiences as a young person for them, they were the babysitters. Um, they were the caregiver and the caretaker of their family.

And so many of the times it’s that, you know, They could not join us in these particular spaces because they constantly had to ask for permission from their family just to be with us. Um, so, can I go? I was like, oh no, I need you to watch the house, or watch the babies, watch, watch your siblings. Um, I need you to take care of this, or X, Y, and Z, and so.

It’s a lot of, like, it’s a lot of the patriarchy coming up in this multi layer, like, this multi layer level of oppression, multi layer level of, like, Experiences that Hmong and transqueer, , women and femme folks go through. And so really wanting to highlight that.

Cheryl: So, of course, like I’m hearing the family dynamics, the patriarchy. What do you think are the other struggles that queer and trans Hmong youth currently face in Central California?

Shai Chang: you know, the Central Valley is very poor., and so, lot of trans folks actually have a hard time in transition. There’s only like one doctor that comes once in a long while that like really does affirmative care. And so we’re trying to grow our affirmative care resource and our doctors list.

And so now I think we’ve probably grown I think maybe like two or three in the Citra Valley. And I mean Central Valley from like Stockton to like Bakersfield, like there is no, like, it’s hard to find affirmative care. And many of the times folks are, if they’re wanting like gender affirming care, they have to go into the bigger cities.

And so there has been in the past transportation. So obviously when we’re doing like, it’s, you know, Affirmative care surgery. It’s a very, very big thing. And so transportation on top of like housing for rest is a very big thing as well. And so there was funding that folks have been organized to do transportation as well as housing to take care of them.

What does what does aftercare look like? And so I think there’s like those kind of layers like racism, Obviously, transphobia, , homophobia, and I think it just speaks to a lot, you know, about like the, there’s like a lot of, and there is gender based violence in our community, quite a bit, right?

When you think about patriarchy, of course, it’s attached. I think in the media of the times, community needs to also see that patriarchy also impacts, patriarchy impacts all genders. Right. , it forces more, males and men to be more masculine, really pushing them away from what it means for them to actually have, like, quote unquote feelings, or being feminine, or, um, there’s a lot of big drinking problem in our Hmong community as well, and so, there’s lots of, like, over drinking and binge drinking, and so, yeah, there’s also deeply rooted issues that are also, uh, showing up in the community as well.

Cheryl: Wow, there’s a lot. And it sounds like there’s so much infrastructure and resources that are still, that still need to be developed. Central California is still developing their resources for trans and queer, especially trans and queer Hmong folk. My question then, Shai, because you, because I do agree, like if the moment you leave, QHIP is gone. How are you dealing? Because this is a lot of work. How do you deal with all of this responsibility?

Shai Chang: I lean into hip. I have to. Um, to be very honest, I had a really hard time. I think last year, um, we had a really hard time when I was just like, I feel so alone. I went to this like conference. This was called creating change. It’s their national, like LBGTQ conference and over in San Francisco and like February, July and went to that conference and then came back home.

I was like the only trans, you know, I was the only person on the train back home. Right? And so it feels so isolating. It feels so alone sometimes. And I brought this up to HIP and we all just cried and we’re like, This is not okay, right? And so that’s when we started to see what programming for quip actually looks like and recognizing that something needs to happen.

We need to build more. And so I also really want to highlight that it takes time and it takes It takes time and commitment to want to build with people. Um, and we were able to really build space for our trans and queer community here because we were so committed to wanting to build something here. Um, and so it is very alone, like, and also it’s really to recognize that we are not alone.

Um, I think Lambda Phoenix has done such a great job in really being able to model what that means and what that looks like. And literally asking for help. Um, it’s not to say that I’m not good at delegating.

It’s not to say I’m not good at delegating. I’m just really bad at breaking down, like, these roles and responsibilities for me to then Invite other folks in to also to support me to help, you know, to make the movement go and grow together. And we’re so used to doing this work alone. I’m so used to doing this work alone that I feel like I have to do everything together.

I have to be the creative artist, the social media campaign manager. The comms manager, coalition building, I, I feel like I have to be then like the, the organizer, the program manager, the development, the HR, um, the supervisor, and, and at the same time as a, you know, not as a young person anymore, but like young enough still 29, is that I’m still also learning what organizing is and what organizing means.

And so, um, it means all of us. It needs all of us.

Cheryl: That’s actually such an important dimension too, because as , you’re all developing this in the works, you’re also learning along the way. , I guess maybe to end our conversation. I want to know, because you bring up the welcomeness, the radical welcomeness you’ve learned from Lavender Phoenix and how Revolutionary that has been in your praxis of trans and queer organizing for Hmong folk.

What does radical welcoming look like for you for quip moving forward in the next couple of years? What would you want it to look like?

Shai Chang: What it will look like for quip is that Um, next year we’re going to be launching a campaign and then continuing the Love is Love or Lu is Lu Ya Lu campaign and really highlighting the sense of belonging that needs to be built up in our Hmong community. Um, as much as we’re fighting for trans justice, racial justice, and gender justice, and trans queer justice, and like, those are like the big words, and all of those things, and what does that mean?

And it starts at the small, it starts at the small, like, if we don’t even feel that sense of belonging within our own community, if we don’t even feel that sense of belonging within our own selves, small like the sports day, it’s not going to actually build in that piece of justice in the long term. And so it’s so important that, um, we build in that radical welcomeness through all layers.

And it can look very different. It doesn’t have to be like, Oh, welcome. Verbatim welcome. This means that we are doing it every single time at every single point, at every single way. It looks like having dinners. Um, it looks like having fun. It looks like karaoke. It looks like listening to each other’s story, passion mic, open mic nights, poetry slams, and sports days, and Really going out to vote together.

It really looks and shines in all the different ways and really being in coalition with one another is how we’re going to get there and build there. And so, yeah, 

Cheryl: that was the perfect answer, Adrian Murray Brown writes about this all the time. Small is all. Radical welcoming in all areas of this work. I think that’s just so beautiful.

 We are actually going to take another music break. But learn how to plug into quips work when we get back. So don’t go anywhere. 

Up next is taking names by Rocky Ibarra. And we’re back. You are tuned in to apex express on 94.1 KPFA and 89.3. KPMB in Berkeley and [email protected]. You were just listening to you taking names by Rocky Berra. Before we close off the show shy. Do you mind letting our listeners know how they can stay in touch with Quip and learn about all of your upcoming programming?

Shai Chang: Yeah, I would say follow us on our social media, Facebook and Instagram. That’s a great place to begin, um, and continue to share and highlight us. , we are trying to post more. And you can follow us at qhip. ca at qhip. ca or quip. california. ca. Yeah, um, I think that’s a great place to begin and then you all always can message me there.

Um, yes. 

Cheryl: Thank you shy. All of those links to equip socials we’ll be linked in our show notes. And so before we close off for the night, do you have any last words, you’d like to share to any trans. Queer, mung folk who might be listening right now. 

Shai Chang: Yes. Um, lean into your leadership. Lean into it. I know that you’re so scared of, like, wanting to be in a leader because it feels like there’s so much responsibility that comes with it.

And know that you are not alone. In it. You are not alone in this leadership. You are never alone. There’s so much people who have paved the way and so much people who are still here with us today. And so, I am here and we can learn and lean into each other and really actually create spaces of love. Like, how do we lean into love and not into our leadership?

Right? And so, you don’t have to feel like you are leaning into your leadership alone. But leaning into community and leaning into love.

Cheryl: Thanks, everyone. Thanks for listening, and we’ll see you next time.

Cheryl Truong: Apex express is produced by Miko Lee, Paige Chung, Jalena Keane-Lee, Preeti Mangala Shekar. Shekar, Anuj Vaidya, Kiki Rivera, Swati Rayasam, Nate Tan, Hien Nguyen, Nikki Chan, and Cheryl Truong 

 Tonight’s show was produced by me, cheryl. Thanks to the team at KPFA for all of their support. And thank you for listening! 

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Listen to our Fall South Asian Cinema special edition of APEX Express! On tonight’s show, we celebrate South Asian cinema – 3rdi Film Fest – the bay area’s annual South Asian film festival is back again with some stellar programming and to spark some provocative conversations. In a thought-provoking discussion, producer Preeti Mangala Shekar sits down in conversation with musician Robin Sukhadia and delves into the intricate and multifaceted portrayal of Indian nationalism as presented in two of the most iconic films in contemporary Indian cinema: Lagaan and RRR. While both films are set against the backdrop of British colonial rule, they offer sharply contrasting visions of how the Indian struggle for independence is portrayed

More about this discussion happening this weekend at 3rdi here.

The film invites viewers into the spiritual life of Prajna Paramita Choudhury, an Oakland-based mindfulness teacher and acupuncturist, as she comes out to her traditional Bangladeshi mother. Buddhist practices, meditation, and nature support Prajna on a journey of intergenerational healing.

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A weekly magazine-style radio show featuring the voices and stories of Asians and Pacific Islanders from all corners of our community. The show is produced by a collective of media makers, deejays, and activists.

Return is the theme for APEX Express as Host Miko Lee talks with artists from  APAture, Kearny Street Workshops annual celebration of emerging artists from the Bay Area. Miko also speaks with exiled Hong Kong activist Nathan Law about the new documentary film “Who’s Afraid of Nathan Law.”

Special Thanks to Jose Ng for insight into the Hong Kong movement for democracy.

For more information about the subjects in tonight’s show:

APAture, KSW – October 13 to November 9th venues throughout the Bay Area

Jalena Keane-Lee and her film: Standing Above the Clouds

Ian Santillano

Kim Requesto

performing November 3, Joe Goode Anex – APAture

Who’s Afraid of Nathan Law playing on POV

Return Show Transcript

Opening: [00:00:00] Apex Express Asian Pacific expression. Community and cultural coverage, music and calendar, new visions and voices, coming to you with an Asian Pacific Islander point of view. It’s time to get on board the Apex Express.

Miko Lee: [00:00:38] Welcome to Apex Express. I’m your host Miko Lee and tonight our subject is return, which is the theme of the 25th annual APAture Kearny Street Workshop Annual Festival. It’s running October 13th through November 9th, and there’s going to be six showcases in venues across San Francisco. We’re going to put a link in our show notes at kpfa.com backslash program apex. We’re going to hear from three of the featured artists; filmmaker, Jalena Keane-Lee, dancer, Kim Requesto, and musician, Ian Santillano. Then we speak with someone who cannot return to his Homeland, exiled Hong Kong activist, Nathan Law. First off, we’re going to check in with my usual co-host as PowerLeeGirls and my always daughter, filmmaker Jalena Keane-Lee. Good evening and welcome to Apex Express. Tonight On Apex Express, we’re talking with my daughter, Jalena Keane-Lee, and usual co host, but tonight we’re going to be talking with Jalena as a filmmaker. Welcome, Jalena, to Apex Express as a guest.

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:01:48] Thank you so much for having me.

Miko Lee: [00:01:50] And I would like to talk with you about APAture, Kearny Street Workshop’s annual festival. This year, you’re one of several artists that are getting a showcase. The theme for this year is around Return. Can you tell us what return means to you and what you will be presenting at APAture?

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:02:11] Yes, so the theme for Kearny Street Workshop’s APAture festival this year is Return and I am the featured artist for the film showcase, which is such an honor and I’m really excited about that. And I’ve screened previous work there in the past—short films, but it was really yeah, such an honor and privilege to be asked to be the featured artist this year. And I’ll be playing my first feature documentary, which is called Standing Above the Clouds. And it follows native Hawai’ian mother-daughter activists that are standing to protect their sacred mountain called Mauna Kea from the building of a massive 30 meter telescope. And the film chronicles intergenerational healing and how to build and sustain a movement. And so I hope people come to see it and it will also be playing with a series of short films from other Asian American and Pacific Islander filmmakers. And the film showcase is October 22nd at 6 PM at the Roxy Theater in the Mission. To me, the theme of return, it’s, it reminds me a lot of, I think last year’s theme too, which I think was homecoming. And just thinking about, you know, returning to yourself, returning to your ancestors, returning to your sacred land. Standing Above the Clouds is all about the movement to protect Mauna Kea, which is one of the most sacred places in all of Oceania. And the highest peak in the world from the seafloor. And the summit of the mountain stands at 14,000 feet and it’s also tied to Native Hawai’ian genealogy and seen as the ancestor of the people. And so the film is really all about that place that you want to return to, that place that represents, you know, home and spirituality and is an anchor and a training ground and a teacher and a leader and so many other things that, you know, our sacred places are and that they teach us. And really about, you know, protecting that space and making sure that that’s a place that future generations will be able to return to. And also reflecting and processing all the ways and all the times that you have returned there and what that has taught you and brought into your life.

Miko Lee: [00:04:26] So this festival runs for multiple weeks. It actually is at the Roxy and at DNA Lounge and at the Joe Goode Annex and at Arc Gallery and Studios. We’re also in the show featuring Kim Requesto, who is one of the performing artists that’s featured, and then music by, the musical guest, which is Ian Santillano. And Jalena, tell me about, are you getting a chance to communicate with all the other artists and to be able to work with the other artists that are part of this festival?

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:04:58] It’s the 25th year of the APAture Festival and there’s a lot of really cool events for artists. I know they had a kind of orientation event and they had headshot opportunity to like get your headshot taken there. I unfortunately was out of town, so I was not able to make it and have that opportunity to mix and mingle with the other artists. But I’m excited to go to some of the events, as they happen. And there’s a bunch of different showcases for, like, each different discipline. Mine is film, and then there’s visual arts, music, performing arts, I believe.

Miko Lee: [00:05:33] Were you at Kearny Street Workshop last year as well? You were part of APAture last year as well.

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:05:38] Yes, I was.

Miko Lee: [00:05:40] How many years have you participated?

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:05:43] I think I’ve participated three years, but yeah, as I said before, this is my first time being a featured artist, so that’s very special. And I know it’s the 25th year of the APAture Arts Showcase, and that it’s the oldest running Asian American arts showcase in the US.

Miko Lee: [00:06:03] And if folks aren’t able to make this amazing APAture event, where else can they see your film Standing Above the Clouds?

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:06:10] My film will also be available through the Mill Valley Film Festival on October 12th, and it’s going to play at the San Rafael Film Center at 3pm on the 12th, and then I’ll also be leading a workshop on October 19th. It’s a teen documentary filmmaking and activism workshop, which should be really fun. And that’s with SF Film, and we’ll be at their location, Filmhouse, on, yeah, October 19th. And we should be having more screenings coming up, so if you’re interested in, you know, following along with the film, you can find us at Standing Above the Clouds on Instagram and Facebook, and standingabovetheclouds.com. And we’ll post our screenings and different opportunities. You can also request a screening for your organization or group or school. And we’ll be implementing our screening tour and impact plans in the next few years as well. And you can follow me at Jalena.KL on Instagram and other platforms as well and I post about it too. And you can also follow at Protect Mauna Kea, if you want to keep up to date with the movement to protect Mauna Kea. And there is a petition, a change.org petition to sign to push for the stopping of the telescope, which is currently still trying to be built, even though there has been over a decade of indigenous resistance and resistance that we see as successful because they have been able to stall the telescope up until this point. But yes, there’s a change.org petition that you can sign that is @protectmaunakea and also @standingabovetheclouds in both of their linkinbios.

Miko Lee: [00:07:46] Thank you. And we’ll put links to all of those in the show notes for Apex Express. So I know that you’ve been touring with the film to different cities and indeed different countries. And I’m wondering if you have felt a different reception based on the places you’ve been to from Toronto to Seattle to Los Angeles. What has been, what has stood out to you as you’ve toured this film to different locations?

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:08:06] Yeah, it’s been such a blessing to be able to bring the film across the world. And I think we’re really excited to we’re bringing the film home to Hawai’i with the Hawai’i International Film Festival, and then also home to the Bay Area with APAture and Mill Valley. So it’s really nice to have this, you know, homecoming and return, so to speak, to the places where, you know, the film is from. And touring it around, I think it’s been really beautiful just seeing all the like resonance and the connections across other lines of difference with different activists, different local activists, whether it is in Toronto, or Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, or Seattle, And one thing that has been a really beautiful reflection from audiences is that the film is a representation of hope and that, you know, it’s a realistic portrait of organizing and movement building, which certainly is not, you know, always glamorous or easy, but one that shows the beauty of the struggle and the beauty of being in community and pushing towards something and how being in movement spaces, you know, can shape and heal and revive different parts of who you are.

Miko Lee: [00:09:16] Can you talk a little bit about what healing means to you in relationship with social justice work?

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:09:22] Standing Above the Clouds, it is about, you know, healing. And Havane, who’s one of the main protagonists of the film, she has a really great line in the film, that is we don’t just have to heal from this work, we heal through it too. And I think that speaks a lot to what it means to heal in movement spaces and part of the intergenerational healing that we show in the film is, you know, our, our parents generation, and this kind of older generation of women who really paved the way, and who didn’t have the opportunity to really take breaks or care for themselves and their own bodies, oftentimes, and there just wasn’t really any other option or it wasn’t really a choice. And in the film we can see passing down to the next generation and wanting people to be able to have the opportunity to care for themselves and to, you know, have boundaries around their time and their energy and show up in these spaces when they feel completely ready and that being something that the kind of mother generation wants to pass down to the younger generation and also something that the younger generation is able to point out. In the older generation and see for themselves and I think that really plays into movement sustainability and healing is such an important part of creating movements that can be sustainable and that won’t just burn people out and then kind of, you know, fizzle and fall away. So making sure that we have the space to heal and in all the different ways, like through tears, through laughter, through joy. I think is such an important part and also letting movements and work for social justice heal us and have, you know, a positive impact on us and teach us about ourselves.

Miko Lee: [00:11:19] Thank you for sharing that. I just finished reading the amazing Healing Justice Lineages book by Erica Woodard and Cara Page, and you and I just went to see Cara’s exhibit about the impact of the medical industrial complex. And one of the things both Cara and Erica talk about in the book is ancestral technologies and the impact that ancestral technologies can have on healing us and the next generation. And I resonated with that so much being the mother age obviously of you, but also of the women in Standing Above the Clouds. And I’m wondering if you have thoughts on ancestral technologies that you grew up with, or that you felt like you learned from being involved with this filmmaking process for so long.

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:12:08] That’s a really, ooh that’s such an interesting point. I think in the film, the ancestral technology that comes to mind immediately is oli or chanting, and that is like, you know, an ancient Hawai’ian way of recording knowledge and passing down information and also praying. And, in the film, it’s talked about in a few different places, how that is an ancient technology and how we only know the things that we know today, because someone passed it down orally as an oli or as a chant. And a really, a really beautiful thing about the process of making the film was being able to, to witness that and also to learn oli myself, and also to learn that Havane and Auntie Pua, who are two of the main protagonists in the film, they both write a lot of oli too. So it’s an ancestral technology that’s still very much alive and breathing in the present day. And I think that’s so beautiful and that yeah, I hope with, you know, all of our different ancestral technologies that we access and learn about at different times that we also can see them as things that are like ever changing and kept current in the present.

Miko Lee: [00:13:29] And what would you like people to walk away with after seeing Standing Above the Clouds?

Jalena Keane-Lee: [00:13:34] I want people to walk away feeling and believing that collective liberation is possible. And that the worlds that we want to create that are centered on care, that don’t discriminate based on, you know, any lines of difference, are possible. And it’s our responsibility to enact those worlds and protect the things that are sacred to us and important to us. And I want people to walk away thinking about, you know, their own mom and thinking about the importance of sisterhood and community. And I want people to walk away wanting to call their best friend or their mom or reconnect with someone and talk about how it made them feel and what they want to do and what they want to stand for in their own communities. Yeah, I also want people to walk away, you know, fired up about protecting Mauna Kea and other sacred places and signing the petition to stop the 30 meter telescope, which we’ll link in the show notes.

Miko Lee: [00:14:44] Thank you so much for joining us.

Next up, listen to APAture feature musician, Ian Santillano. Ian is a Filipino American singer songwriter multi-instrumentalist and producer from Hayward, California. So check out his song, “End of the Earf.”

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That was APAture featured musician Ian Santillano with “End of the Earf.”  Now let’s check in with dancer Kim Requesto. Kim, welcome to Apex Express.

Kim Requesto: [00:18:12] Hi Miko, thank you so much for having me.

Miko Lee: [00:18:20] I’m starting first with my question I love asking all people: Kim, tell me about who are your people and what legacy do you carry with you?

Kim Requesto: [00:18:26] I was born in the Philippines and I immigrated to the US when I was three years old, but my entire life has been in the Bay Area. A lot of it has been informed by my family and what we’ve brought over from the Philippines, and that is a lot of dance and specifically Philippine folk dance, because both of my parents were actually dancers. I continue to share Philippine folkloric dance. And I’ve gotten deeper into that practice by doing research with different indigenous communities in the Philippines. My legacy, I feel, has expanded beyond just the stories of my family and the stories that I come from, but also, the dances and music and culture of the different indigenous communities that I’ve created connections and relationships with in the Philippines. And then of course, how I’ve been able to share that with the community here in the Bay Area, and also in the diaspora.

Miko Lee: [00:19:32] Thank you. Kim, you’re a multidisciplinary artist. I know you do dance and photography and music and sharing this cultural traditions. Can you tell us a little bit about what you’ll be sharing during APAture?

Kim Requesto: [00:19:45] Yes, of course. So what I hope to share during APAture is more of my performance work. Showcasing movement that I’ve learned while doing research in the Philippines and honing in on Philippine dance and the various traditional dance styles from the different communities in the Philippines. But also, a lot of my work is also involving my experience as someone who’s grown up in the Bay area. The work that I’m presenting is really around my experience as a Filipinx American and sharing that through movement that is not just traditional, not necessarily contemporary, but a mixture and a fusion of both. I also do hope to share specifically traditional movement, just because to honor the people I’ve worked with in the Philippines they requested, you know, before people see this fusion part, it’s important that they know what the traditional part looks like as well. I’m really excited to share dance and also some music and I’m part of the Performing Diaspora residency at CounterPulse so I’ll be previewing a small work in progress that’ll be showcased in December. But I’m really looking forward to just sharing movement with others, and also sharing the stage with the other artists who’s part of the festival.

Miko Lee: [00:21:09] I love that. I used to study traditional Japanese noh and kyogen, and I remember one of the things that the elders used to talk about is you’re not allowed to derivate from the form until you have the traditional forms down absolutely and understand what they are in your bones. And I feel like that’s what your elders are saying, too. Showcase the traditional work so that the fusion work makes sense to other folks.

Kim Requesto: [00:21:34] Mhmm. And it’s also, I think, just to honor the cultures back in the Philippines, just to honor them as well.  Because within, in my work, I do feel that it’s important that there’s a way for me to also uplift what they’ve taught me and then not just like what I’ve been doing. [Laughs] So yeah, I guess similar to, to what your elders said too, or I guess in this sense, both of our elders.

Miko Lee: [00:22:02] Yeah, I’m wondering how this fits with the theme of APAture this year, which is Return. Kearny Street Workshop says, from the Palestinian right to return, the call for the indigenous land back movement, the various migrant histories and struggles for justice in our Pacific Islander and Asian communities, and the returns we face in our personal lives. So what does return mean to you? And how is this going to showcase in the work that you’re presenting?

Kim Requesto: [00:22:28] For myself, returning means finding our truth. At least to me in this present day and age [laughs] of my life, it’s really finding that truth or finding our truth and being able to also share and connect with others. The theme of returning also is being able to connect and understand, not just the histories that we’ve experienced, but also the histories that our bodies have experienced. I guess the way we’ll be seeing it in what I’m going to be sharing with everyone is really looking through the lens of movement and how I fuse my experiences as someone who is Filipino, but also who is positioned here in the Bay Area. And being able to also find my truth in that movement, because even though a lot of the movement I’ll be showcasing is from the southern part of the Philippines, I’m sharing it here in the Bay Area. And also to fuse it with my experience as someone who has grown up in San Francisco. There’s a different positionalities in that. My movement is also different. I think in that idea of fusion and in the idea of also learning traditional movement, but also understanding my positionality and my body and my identity and fusing that together. It’s the idea of finding, going back to finding my truth and you know, for me, it’s like finding that in movement.

Miko Lee: [00:24:01] Thank you so much. My last question is, what are you reading, watching, or listening to? Is there something that is sparking your imagination right now?

Kim Requesto: [00:24:11] What I’m listening to, it’s a lot of like melodic, soft, instrumental music. I’m back at a period of wanting to listen to jazz or to even like classical music. And it’s just been helping me breathe and I think breathing, being able to find rest, being able to find like calm. Especially since I think for my personal life, I’m getting busy. Being able to rest gives me a lot of like opportunity to be creative after I’ve rested. So yeah. I think listening to music that makes me happy has been really great for me finding calmness and happiness. If I had to name an artist, it would be Olivia Dean grooves. Yes.

Miko Lee: [00:25:01] Thank you. Is there anything else you’d like to add?

Kim Requesto: [00:25:04] I’m just really looking forward to APAture this year and seeing everything from all the different artists and disciplines. I think having a space in APAture with Kearny Street Workshop and just being able to continue to share art with, like, the community. The greater Bay Area community is such a privilege because it really does feel like a place where people can connect with other artists and also audience members, and I’m just really thankful to APAture and to KSW and also just thank you, Miko, for talking with me.

Miko Lee: [00:25:37] Thanks so much. I look forward to seeing your work at APAture this year. Thanks, Kim.

Kim Requesto: [00:25:42] Thanks, Miko.

Miko Lee: [00:25:43] You’re listening to apex express on 94.1, KPFA Berkeley, 89.3, KPF B in Berkeley, 88.1 KFCF in Fresno and [email protected]. Once again, we hear from APAture featured musician Ian Ian Santillano with “Movin’ Nowhere.”

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That was APAture featured musician Ian Santillano with “Movin’ Nowhere.”

Finally tonight, I speak with the person who is unable to return to his Homeland, Hong Kong activist, Nathan Law. And I also speak with filmmaker Joe Piscatella. Nathan Law was one of the student leaders during the 79 day Umbrella Movement in 2014. He is also the founder and former chair of Demosisto a new political party derived from the 2014 protests. And now he is an exile in London. I speak with both Nathan Law and documentary filmmaker, Joe Piscatella.

Today we’re speaking about the documentary film Who’s Afraid of Nathan Law, and I’m so thrilled that we have with us both the filmmaker and Nathan Law himself. So Nathan, I want to start with you. First off, this is a question I ask many guests. Can you please tell me who are your people and what legacy do you carry with you?

Nathan Law: [00:31:26] Yeah, thank you so much for the invitation, Miko. This movie is about the struggle of Hong Kong’s democratic movement. As we all know, there’s been decades of the Hong Kong democratic movement, in which we fight for the right to elect our leaders and universal suffrage. And this is deeply embedded into our culture because we often see Hong Kong as somewhere the East meets the West. The East is of course, the Chinese heritage, our culture, our languages. But, the Western part is that there’s a big part of it that’s about freedom, liberty, and the democratic way of life. So, the fight for democracy in Hong Kong has been deeply ingrained in our culture and becomes essential part of who we are. So this movie is about my story, but it’s also a reflection of the way of life of Hong Kong people and what are the struggles and difficulties that they’ve been through and how the city of Hong Kong is being demolished by the authoritarian regime, Chinese Communist Party.

Miko Lee: [00:32:29] Nathan thanks so much. I love that you gave a little blip about what the film is about, which is powerful. I was lucky to have a chance to be able to see it, but Nathan, I’m wondering about you personally, who are your people and for you, what do you carry? Like, what’s your earliest memory of social justice?

Nathan Law: [00:32:47] For me, I grew up in Hong Kong, but I was born in mainland China. So I moved to Hong Kong when I was six. I lived in the most blue collar neighborhood. I lived in public housing. My father was a construction worker and my mother was a cleaner. So when I grew up, I was not taught about social justice or democracy. My parents had the mentality that I call refugee mentality, which they only want their kids to get into a good school and get a good job and don’t rock the boat. So I’ve not been encouraged to do anything that I’m currently doing. But, in my high school, I had a political enlightenment moment, which inspired me to get into the arena of activism in college. So when I was in high school, I learned about Liu Xiaobo the Chinese human rights activist who got the Nobel Peace Prize in 2010, and the stories of Tiananmen Massacre, which was a tragedy in 1989 when there were so many workers and students, they fought for China’s democracy, and then they were brutally massacred, and there were hundreds to thousands of people died because of the crackdown. So all these moments make me feel like, as a college student and as a half intellectual, I had responsibility to engage in social affairs and be involved in social activism. So that was the start of my story and the people, my people, certainly people of Hong Kong and those people who have the pursuit of freedom and democracy.

Miko Lee: [00:34:33] Thanks, Nathan. And filmmaker Joe Piscatella, can you tell us how you got the first inspiration to create this documentary around the Umbrella Movement and around Nathan?

Joe Piscatella: [00:34:44] Sure. So, in 2017 my team and I made a film prior to this called Joshua: Teenager vs. Superpower and that film documents the rise of Joshua Wong in the national education movement and then through the Umbrella movement and that film won Sundance in 2017 and is still currently on Netflix. And when we were looking to do our next film we realized one, the story of Hong Kong was, was continuing. There was more story to tell as the 2019 anti extradition protests were happening, and we wanted to be able to tell that story until the next chapter. And we also were so impressed. When we were making the Joshua Wong film, we were so impressed with Nathan. We were moved by his story, we were moved by his passion, we were all inspired by what he was doing. And we realized, hey, Nathan has a phenomenal story to tell in his own right. Let’s tell the story of Hong Kong through the lens of Nathan Law.

Miko Lee: [00:35:48] Thank you. And Nathan, what was the decision making factor that you decided to go along with being part of this documentary film?

Nathan Law: [00:35:58] First of all, Joe and I and the other film crew, we had a connection when the Joshua Wong documentary, uh, was being produced. So I had already had the opportunity to work with them. I think, for the team, they’re not only just producing, like, a documentary, But they genuinely do care about human rights and the story of Hong Kong and the struggles. So I think that gave a huge confidence to me and my fellow Hong Kong activists that they’re definitely going to tell a story that make more people to understand what we are struggling and the fight for democracy. So I think this is a great collaboration and I think this documentary encapsulates past 10 years of my life and pretty much, the struggles to democracy and I think that that has a lot of reflection on it, but also like a lot of Hong Kong people would echo what was being covered in the documentary, because my life is pretty much also the lives of many other Hong Kong people being through all these big times, democratic struggles and ending up needing to leave their hometown and to resettle in somewhere else.

Miko Lee: [00:37:14] Thank you. It’s really enlightening, especially for someone like me who is fifth generation Chinese American, does not speak Chinese, and it’s very hard to actually get any kind of, you know, quote unquote, accurate information about what’s happening in Hong Kong and the activist movement. How would you suggest people get accurate news of what’s happening in Hong Kong?

Nathan Law: [00:37:37] For now, it’s extremely difficult because the press freedom in Hong Kong is being squashed. There have been a multiple actions taken by the government that they disbanded, the most free and crowd sourced and critical news outlets to the Chinese regime. And for now, most of the media in Hong Kong have to follow the orders of the government and only express certain point of view that do not upset Beijing. So we don’t have much room, but still we have some very small independent media that they can still operate with a very limited resources, for example, Hong Kong Free Press. This is one channel that we can get more impartial news. But at the end of the day, there has been a vacuum of independent journalism, and that is in, like, intentionally made by the government because the government doesn’t want information to be circulated. They want to control the narratives and the information that people know. And by controlling it, they can effectively push forward the propaganda. So that is a predicament of Hong Kong people. And we do want more genuine independent journalism, but the reality of Hong Kong doesn’t allow.

Miko Lee: [00:39:04] And Joe, how is this film being released in Asia? What’s the reception to this film in Asia?

Joe Piscatella: [00:39:12] The film has not been released yet in Asia. it is about to, it actually premieres tonight, on PBS, on, POV on PBS, and then it’ll stream at pbs.org/POV for the foreseeable future. So I have not gotten what the reaction is yet in Asia to this film.

Miko Lee: [00:39:33] Okay, we’ll have to wait and see. It is exciting that people can have easy access to be able to see the film on public broadcasting, at least in the United States, and we’ll wait and see what happens in Asia. Nathan, you are now, with Political Asylum living in London, and I’m wondering how you practice activism there in Hong Kong when you are living in London.

Nathan Law: [00:39:56] When the political crackdown in Hong Kong took place. The activism in the diaspora community becomes much more important because we can say something that you cannot say in Hong Kong and we can raise awareness by interacting with foreign government officials and international NGOs. If you do it in Hong Kong under the restriction of the national security law now, by meeting, for example, a congressman in the US, you can easily be incarcerated and be sentenced to years of imprisonment in Hong Kong. That is how strict the political sentiment there. And also if you speak about critical things towards the government or express supportive statement to the 2019, protest, you will also be targeted, sentenced, and maybe ended up in months or years in the prison. So we’ve had all these court cases where people only do peaceful advocacy work without inciting violence or committing violence, but they are being thrown to jail because of speech. And it’s common to have speech crime in Hong Kong. So the diaspora community shoulders certain responsibility to speak out all those demands and, and the push for Hong Kong and China’s democracy. So for me, in London, there’s been a growing population of Hong Kong people because of the fact that people voted with their feet, there has been a exodus of Hong Kong people for now that’s already been more than 200,000 of them that have come to the UK because of the worsening liberty situation in Hong Kong. And with that many amounts of people we have a lot of community and cultural events. One of the biggest goal is to preserve the story and the history and the identity of Hong Kong people, which is being erased in Hong Kong actively by the government.

Miko Lee: [00:42:02] And what’s going on with the Umbrella Movement now? Like I said, it’s very hard for us outside of your film to get information about what is happening right now. Can you give us an update?

Nathan Law: [00:42:14] Yeah, the Umbrella Movement was the occupation movement 10 years ago in pursuit for democracy. It’s been 10 years, but I think its legacy is still impacting Hong Kong. It’s the very first civil disobedience movement in a massive scale in Hong Kong. There were hundreds of thousands of Hong Kong people camping in the BCS runway in order to fight for a free and democratic society. Fast forward five years ago, there was a big, anti extradition law protest in Hong Kong in 2019 to 2020. It was the latest big uprising of Hong Kong people where you encounter much more ferocious and militant protests. And of course, it triggered a series of response from the government, which includes the implementation of the national security law, which in effect curtailed the city’s freedom and civil society. So, it’s been 10 years. We had more optimistic outlook of Hong Kong 10 years ago. But for now, the situation in Hong Kong is really bad, as I mentioned. Speech crime is in place, civil liberties and individual freedoms are being heavily restricted, civil society is disbanded. Some of the interviewees in the documentary, including my dearest friend, Joshua Wong, and Gwyneth Ho, they are now being in jail for more than three and a half years just because of joining a primary election, which is the thing that all democratic countries do, but in Hong Kong, it becomes a crime. And they are expecting to be sentenced, at the end of this year, to up to five to ten years of imprisonment just because they do, they do the exact same thing that other politicians in democratic countries do. So this is a really sad reality that we’ve put up so much effort, so much sacrifices to the democratic movement, but for now, as the Chinese regime is just so powerful. So it’s difficult for us to get some progress in our democracy.

Miko Lee: [00:44:32] Is there anything that folks over here that believe and want to support the movement? Is there anything that we can do to help support the folks that are incarcerated or support the movement?

Nathan Law: [00:44:44] First of all, attention and support is really important. So by spreading words of the theme or the current situation of Hong Kong, it helps a lot. And of course we need more representative in the hill to push over Hong Kong agenda and there are a few bills about advancing Hong Kong’s advocacy in the hill that’s being discussed. Those are the things that we can write to our representative and ask them for support. But at the end of the day, it’s also that the struggle of Hong Kong is a puzzle, a piece of puzzle in a broad picture of the struggles against authoritarianism and autocracy. We’ve been through a decade or two of democratic decline around the world and Hong Kong was part of it. So one thing to raise awareness of the issue of Hong Kong is also to protect your democracy. We are in an election year and you should do your homework, be educated, and be decided to come out to vote. This is an act of safeguarding our democracy.

Miko Lee: [00:45:52] And from your perspective as a Hong Kong person who’s now living in London, do you have thoughts on the upcoming American presidential campaign?

Nathan Law: [00:46:03] Well, of course, this is a particularly important, election as the world has been, in like a chaotic situation as we’ve seen the warfare in Ukraine, in Gaza, and also all the political crackdowns in Hong Kong and around China, and also the threat to Taiwan. So for me, as a person who dedicated myself into the fight for human rights and democracy, definitely, I do hope that people can, American people can elect someone who upholds the values that we share and is very determined to, to support Taiwan and the struggle of Hong Kong. So that would be my parameter when it comes to the US election, but at the end of the day, I’m not a US citizen, so I don’t really have a stake in this. campaign. But, yeah, I think we we need a leader that that can lead the free world and to do good things

Miko Lee: [00:47:06] And Nathan I know as an activist as a leader, you’ve gotten a lot of attention. And I know that there have been personal attacks against you for both yourself and people that are close to you, including your family members. How do you persevere through that?

Nathan Law: [00:47:26] It’s difficult to cope with the harms that that’s exerted, not only to you, but to your family, because they actually have nothing to do with everything I do. This collective punishment is evil, and it’s intentionally used to hurt you. So it’s difficult to persevere and navigate myself in these attacks, including personal attacks and also collective punishment to my family and my former colleagues. So, yeah, I think for me, it takes a lot of time to digest and to find a way to balance it. And it’s not easy. One thing that I think is great to be portrayed in the film is that for us, we are activists, we are leaders, but we’re not, we’re not invincible. We’re not without any pains and struggles. So as an activist, I think most of my time is actually being used to cope with anxiety, cope with fear, and how I can maintain as mentally healthy as possible in these political storms.

Miko Lee: [00:49:04] And how do you do that?

Nathan Law: [00:49:05] It’s not easy, yeah.

Miko Lee: [00:49:06] How do you do that, Nathan? How do you cope with the anxiety and the fear? What’s do you have a process that helps you?

Nathan Law: [00:49:16] I think first of all, you have to recognize that is it’s normal to have these emotions. This these are definitely emotions that disturb your lives, your work, but they’re normal because you are situated in an extraordinary situation and people from all corners, they want a piece of you or they want to attack you to achieve their purpose. And I think as long as you recognize it, as you, as, as long as you know that you are suffering from it, first of all, having a support group is really important for those people who understand who you are and who support you unconditionally, and also seeking professional help, no matter if it’s a therapist or a psychiatrist, those who can listen to you and, and just try out. I don’t think there is a one set of measures that fit for all, and that there is such a rich combination of how you can deal with anxiety and pressure. But I think the very first thing is you, you have to recognize that it’s normal to have these emotion. You need to seek help and you need to try them out.  Otherwise, it’s difficult for the others to help you, and those who love you would also be hurt, seeing you suffering from all these negative emotions.

Miko Lee: [00:50:47] Thank you for sharing. My last question for you, Nathan, is what was it like the first time you saw the finished documentary, seeing yourself up there on the big screen? What did that feel like for you?

Nathan Law: [00:50:58] It feels extremely weird. I still cannot get around the idea that, yeah, there’s a big screen and there’s my face and there’s my voice. Even though I’ve been doing all these interviews and, and like video-taking for the past decades, it is still difficult to kind of get used to it. But also I’m, I’m glad that Joe and the team have produced a wonderful documentary. That’s been a really good reception and people are understand more about Hong Kong through the lens of my story, and I’m grateful for that. So, yeah, as long as I can introduce that film to the others, go to Q&A and chat about it, I would love to do it, and I’m really proud of the result.

Miko Lee: [00:51:52] Thank you so much. And Joe, for you as the filmmaker, what is it that you want people to understand about this film?

Joe Piscatella: [00:52:01] What I want the audiences to take away is that, yes, this is the story of Hong Kong. Yes, this is the story of Nathan Law and other activists fighting for Hong Kong. But in so many ways, this is also a story for the rest of the world. Right now, we are at a point where, you know, democracy is in peril in many parts of the world. And what I want audiences to take away from this film is, if you don’t participate in your democracy, if you do not do what you can to fight for and safeguard your freedoms. They can disappear very, very quickly.

Miko Lee: [00:52:37] Thank you very much, filmmaker Joe Piscatella and Nathan Law for talking with me about the new documentary film, Who’s Afraid of Nathan Law?, which people can catch on POV PBS. We are so happy to see the film, to see that it’s out there. I look forward to hearing more about the world’s response to this powerful work. Thank you so much.

Nathan Law: [00:53:03] Yeah, thank you, Miko.

Joe Piscatella: [00:53:05] Thank you.

Ayame Keane-Lee: [00:53:07] Let’s listen to one more song from APAture’s 2024 featured musician Ian Santillano. This is

“Overthinkings.”

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You just listen to Ian Santillano and Āish’s “Overthinkings.” You can check out Ian on Sunday, October 13th at the DNA Lounge for the APAture Music Showcase.

Miko Lee: [00:56:53] Please check out our website, kpfa.org to find out more about our show tonight. We think all of you listeners out there. Keep resisting, keep organizing, keep creating and sharing your visions with the world because your voices are important. APEX Express is created by Miko Lee, Jalena Keane-Lee, Preeti Mangala Shekar, Anuj Vaidya, Swati Rayasam, Aisa Villarosa, Estella Owoimaha-Church, Gabriel Tangloao, Cheryl Truong and Ayame Keane-Lee.  Tonight’s show was produced by Miko Lee and edited by Ayame Keane-Lee. Have a great night.

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