Sarah and Ely talk theories and what we want to see vs. what we expect for the December 9 episodes of Law & Order: SVU and OC.

Sarah and Ely discuss both sides of the controversial EO argument.

Sarah and Ely discuss the dramatic moments where they witnessed Mariska Hargitay shine through her character, Olivia Benson. 

Both fans of the episode, we discuss its difficult qualities as well as how proud we are of Olivia Benson for her tremendous growth, and how impressed we are with the episode's writing. We also talk about Olivia's relationship with Serena, Olivia's character development after the trauma of Lewis arc, her story arc parallels to Serena's, and how the episode gets more personal with Olivia than we've seen in a long time.

TW: Discussion of grooming and sexual assault, specifically discussion of the Burton Lowe storyline, as well as the Wlliam Lewis storyline.

Sarah and Becca discuss the trope of the serious woman who is unlucky in love.

Self-named "Fanthropologist" Meredith Levine talks to Sarah and Becca about fandoms, including anti-fandoms, ship wars, toxicity in fandoms, generational divides and intersectionality within fandoms, and more.

Fangirlish writer Shana Lieberman talks about the unprecedentedness of growing up alongside a 23-year-long character on television (Olivia Benson), how Elliot is an "idiot" for his supposed "radio silence"  while he was under cover for 3 months, and how having a female protagonist be happy doesn't cheapen the show or make it into a "soap opera." "Does anyone deserve Liv?" she says. "Absolutely not."

Actor Diane Neal talks very honestly about her experience reporting her assault. We also talk about what helps her regain her sense of self through it all, and what she's looking forward to.

Rachel Rivers, 25, goes deep with us on shipping, or not shipping, Olivia Benson and Elliot Stabler.

Melanie Joy, 35, talks about her crazy experiences in the Lucille Ball fandom when she was just a teenager, and what the fandom is like today.