John interviews Jim Doyle - President at Business Forward which is an independent research and education organization that makes the business case for climate action, affordable healthcare, immigration reform, infrastructure investment, sensible tax policy, new trade deals, and other pro-growth reforms. Then he interviews Annie Laurie Gaylor, Co-President and Co-Founder of Freedom From Religion Foundation, in Madison, Wisconsin. They discuss Oklahoma State Superintendent Ryan Walters who is now being sued after trying to spend taxpayer money to buy Trump's bible for every classroom in the state. Annie Laurie is the author of Woe to "Women: The Bible Tells Me So, Betrayal of Trust: Clergy Abuse of Children, and Women Without Superstition: No Gods – No Masters”.

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