John interviews Kelli Butler who is running for election to the Arizona House of Representatives to represent District 4. They talk about politics in Arizona and the upcoming election. Then, he speaks with social psychologist, the director of the Frost Center, and professor of psychology at Hope College, Michigan - Dr. Daryl R. Van Tongeren. They talk about politics, religion, and his new book "Done: How to Flourish After Leaving Religion".

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