Spirit of the Deal

When you are going through an awakening, sometimes it can feel like everything is going off the rails!

That's how it was with me, and I was lucky enough to come across an amazing spiritual life coach, Christian Wiese.

Ever since Christian helped me along the way, we have been in communication.

Take a listen to find out how you may be able to practically apply spiritual wisdom, even if you are in the midst of a very high-level financial group!

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Also, should you be interested in his books check them out here:

https://christianmwiese.com/

Brandon Handley 0:00

Two, one. Hey there spiritual dope. Brandon Handley here today. And as we continue to explore how we can apply spirituality in our everyday lives, businesses, and whatever it is we want to do. I have with me today, author and spiritual coach, my good friend, Christian M. Weiss, and he is a, he's an author, spiritual coach. But he didn't he wasn't always in the space. In 2008, he was working in the professional finance field, with a PhD in finance and as a freshly minted dad. And working in this market. He'd been introduced to a wonderful world of magic, healing and love. And he finally left the financial industry and decided to work today as an author, educator, a spiritual life coach, and he's on a mission to share the gospel of the capitalized way and to help other spiritual Travelers awaken to their path. Christian, thank you so much for joining us today.

Christian Wiese 1:05

Thank you for having me. Being here.

Brandon Handley 1:08

Yes, yeah, well, so first, you know, here's people people may not have followed me since the beginning and that's okay. So if you're just tuning into any of my podcasts for the first time, Christian I first met years ago now, when I was doing a podcast called fatherhood for the rest of us and I had reached out to fathers who had experience and kind of a spiritual awakening and Christian is the only one who raised his hand. He has lived to tell the tale so before and thank you for that. And we've had I think, a great friendship since then we actually had to meet in person last year. That was a very What do they call that? You know, synchronous, synchronous synchronicity

Christian Wiese 1:52

secret? Thanks, Jerry. Yeah, for sure.

Brandon Handley 1:54

Yeah, yeah, we that was just so random how that happened. And to me that just showed the universe opening up, right?

Unknown Speaker 2:02

That's right. Um,

Brandon Handley 2:04

what I like to start this off with Christian as a little bit of how you and I are conduits for creative energy, right? That's right. And you and I are talking to share a message with somebody who's listening to the podcast today. What What do you think that that person needs to hear today?

Christian Wiese 2:26

Well, I think the main message is life is fun. There's so much creativity in life. And we spent so much time thinking about it and thinking what we want and what we should get, and we sometimes overlook what we have and what we're getting every day and excitement and I think so again, just a little bit of background. I kind of have always been interested in spirituality. But I was in the middle of my career, the two boys had just been born. Suddenly there was that moment, which you also experienced, where suddenly you said, Wow, what's happening here in this incredible app to tell other people about it. And then I literally spent seven years doing both very similar what you're doing right now, in the day, kind of hanging out with some very smart people in the financial industry and kind of testing my spiritual theories. And then that night writing about it and writing books, and we're talking today about the second book, which I think is is really written for people like you and your, your viewers, because it makes a case that spirituality is not some sort of philosophy that we practice on Sunday. Spirituality is something that we do everyday and also at work. And for seven years. I literally tested my theories and they work, we can really be incredibly creative, connected. We can have a lot of fun doing kind of spirituality and living.

Brandon Handley 4:05

Now 100% I love it. I enjoyed the book. And, you know, right when I read the review, I'd already started reading the book. But when I read the review on the back here of the endorsement by Carl Bozeman, and this book is intended to kind of pick up before you go to sleep and just have a quick read like small short stories, right? And, you know, here's the book in my hand, thanks for shooting it over. Appreciate you sending. So the way of the Meister and it gives you some time to pause and reflect and also see how somebody such as yourself who had a PhD in it was it was at finance that she had a PhD in economics, economics. Oh my god, right. I mean, that's the that's the last place. Most people are going to be looking for a virtual coach. Right, or, or spiritual birthing at that, right? That's

Christian Wiese 4:55

right. And that often happens and I think it's really important to stress it. We always say, if you are spiritual, be on the right or be on the left, whatever your favorite direction is. But often in life, instead of being on the right, we're actually on the left. And it's extreme contrast between the two that then gets you that, that breaks through. And that's, I think, by work in the conflicts at work in the context of family and all that. It's sometimes an opportunity to opportunity to stop and say, Hey, what's going on here? What can I learn from this conflict? And the way I would put economics, economics is a science of scarcity. scarcity, the main assumption is you don't have but you want the only one right Right, right. Increase your utility and your income as your poor. Yes, the main message of spirituality is abundance. We live in an abundant world. We deserve to live in a world and that I think we need spiritual life coaches like you to remind us of that premise and we should work towards it

Brandon Handley 6:10

was like, it's like you said, Christian when you when you stop to look at what you have versus what's missing. That's right, right is doo doo doo. I feel like there's a space for an economic approach that says, hey, we actually have quite a bit Do you think I mean, I mean so look, let's not laugh too hard at this because we had, you know the Science of Happiness to psychology. You know, so, which was laughed out at the beginning, right? I'm reminded of I've listened to this guy, Robin. Oh, gosh, his last name Sharma. Right. And one of his lines is they laughed at all the great ones at first, right. So is there do you feel like is that would could we apply economy you know economics to an abundant sides. Cuz like you said, we've been focused so much on the scarcity economy. Is there an abundance economy?

Christian Wiese 7:08

Absolutely. Economics just needs a rebranding, which is

Unknown Speaker 7:13

exactly right.

Christian Wiese 7:14

I mean, we should call it the science of abundance. And there's a joke that I was told whether, whether it's supposedly true at all, no. But somebody taught at Harvard, and gave the idea of to the utility function and the income line and that it keeps growing and expanding to the right. And that is kind of our mission in life. And there was one guy from the Middle East, supposedly a crown prince. And he said, I'm what happens to the picture, if you don't have any income constraints. And of course, everybody laughed. You know, he was a prince, he had limitless resources, but it's actually a very good point is in economics, that certain bliss point where you're having more income is not the issue at all. It's about having more meaning. And I do think, to a large extent, the spiritual journey is just about awakening to what you truly want. You know, we initially think it's so much about wealth and status and reputation. And then we realized, no, no, it's about love. It's about meaning. It's about the ability to create an Express. And when you go down that path, it's very easy to be very fulfilled and happy, abundant life.

Brandon Handley 8:30

It is, is once you learn about it.

Christian Wiese 8:37

That's right.

Brandon Handley 8:38

Right. So, you know, it's really interesting. My wife just quit her job after being there for 23 years. And she's terrified because she was taught to go get a job and work and stay there for for your entire life. And that was the idea. And since she married me that was her own fault. The You know what? learning this stuff that like, wow, we, you know, you always hear about you know, don't put your don't put your ladder up against the wrong wall. That's right, right you know, we we worked for money, right and income versus working for or towards meaning or towards a beautiful life right? You know, we want we want the things we want the experiences we want I love this bliss point that you bring up. But it's once you've learned that prod and nine then you have to learn how to apply it, which is what you know, I think I've done taking the concept and applied it in life and found it to be true. You know, I think of one of your stories in the book. And actually kind of I was actually telling the story last night at dinner about how you would come up with theories that seemed like they would be sure shots let's talk a little bit about like, you know, working in the economy and you're working for I'm guessing people that had a lot of money and they trusted you, with your, you know, with your doctorate in this field to explore and give sounds strategies, right. So tell us a little bit about, like, what that looked like and what some of the outcomes were.

Christian Wiese 10:17

Um, so when I started out I was actually very similar to your vise Korea. I was there for I think, 22 years. I'm originally from Germany, I arrived in 1990. I went to Brown University, got my PhD there. And then literally, just after five years, moved one hour north to Boston from Providence to Boston and started out there. And I started out as an economist, you know, I had to learn, you know what finance is really all about. But, you know, after a while, I got the hang of it, and you can realize that finance to a large extent, yes, it's about knowing what will happen tomorrow. Extensive thoughts about psychology, human psychology, and I love that stuff. You know the the being in the pressure point and people say no, you have it all wrong. Now's the time to be actually that this year was perfect. Everybody said run for the hills run for the hills. And the moment they did that was exactly the moment that the Gnostics started taking off, right? It's all it's all psychology and you have to get a feel for it. So what in the end brought the, the the spark when you kind of awoke to something different? I can't tell. But what I can tell is that I had a very interesting psychological journey they had that place because part of the process of you know, doing this kind of spirituality for a few years is to realize that we kind of live in our head. You know, there are certain stories that we want to be nice to each other. We want to be loved. You're going to get, and there's a lot of heads, the art sometimes says something very different. And what I enjoyed in the pressure cooker environment is to kind of test and also learn. And I kind of went into two directions. And I think they're very powerful. And I think you as a coach really can breakfast that there was one this spiritual dimension where I learned cooperation and trust is so powerful if you work with a group of people and you guys trust each other. magic happens, but also learned and there was a second aspect something about myself, I had not understood how competitive I really was. And you know, we spreadsheet people will tell us Oh, we are so nice and so relaxed. But when tell people to tell you, you're full of it, you suddenly get you know, I'll show you and that's a very human reaction and I love isn't playing with both balls on the one hand showing the magic of connection tivity and caring for each other as I put it, but on the other end, also realizing, you know what, you're telling yourself stories, you're as human as everybody else. And I think that's really the the the potency of a coach to help people with that struggle because we shouldn't live in lala land, we should live in the real world, where not everything is about love. And you know, and being so serene and uncaring.

Brandon Handley 13:29

Yeah, yeah. I mean, look, that's it. That's a you know, that's, that's great. And it's an ideal it kind of world and I don't think that it's, I wouldn't say that it's impossible, but the likelihood of seeing it, and then would you really want to live it? That's another question like, yeah, that's, that's another question. And I'm reminded of, you know, at least hearing this kind of first from Alan Watts, right. It's kind of like stew you got to season it just enough. There's got to be enough, you know, kind of flavor and Taste where it's not so bland. So if we have all this, you know, love peace and serenity all the time, it's gonna be real boring. I'm sorry, right? We're not gonna, we're not going to be able to experience we're not going to even notice if we have an upper down, right? I mean, you know, I'm not saying hey, let's invite some drama. But if you don't have any drama, you will go to your head and you will create some it's just human. So you know, I love that you said that because that that is the true premise two is spiritual dope, right. So this is the this program this podcast and courseware whatever gets created out of this is like, it's not all it is a huge percentage of peace, love and light, but there's also some, you know, we've got to go through some. We've got to go through some seasons of our lives to have a fully rounded experience. That's right, right.

Christian Wiese 15:02

And something. So the way optimized, I think is perfect for this setup, because I think it speaks to the experience that many people go through. Should I be in this profession? Should I not? Am I really expressing myself creatively as I should? On the other hand, there are financial constraints. Can I really make it right now on my own? Or should I also have, you know, a secure income stream? Those are all issues we have to deal with. But the person

Brandon Handley 15:28

just has to pick that apart for right now. Right? Yeah. For everybody who's who's chased the secure income stream and the secure way of life. I think that COVID has been a true disrupter in continuing along that, that path, right. That's right. And, and also, I kind of want to just loop back to when you were, you know, understanding, you know, yes, the cooperative and trust support, right, you know, your groups and creating that and finding that also understanding your competitiveness, but you also have illustrated how you you come up with some theories that will seem bulletproof. Write that on paper, and in theory should be working and they would flop and then you would say, all right, well, here's, here's something that I'm going to throw out there. I don't think much of it. And that's the one that takes off. Right? Play with me really this then right? So I'll play let's play. Let's play like kind of spiritual devil devil's advocate type. Okay. So with the one you had these great expectations, you were kind of attached to an expectation of the one that you thought would work right there was pressure on it to work in the way that you thought that it was supposed to work. And so there was there was like a focus on it. Versus the one that you came up with great. I would say almost ease and you let it go. And you said you know what, fine, let it go. Let's Let's the worst that could happen. Right. And that's the one that you did with ease that it came in and flowed. Yes. Or to see it that way.

Christian Wiese 17:08

I think it's a very important point. Actually, that was the direction I wanted to go in my original comment. The main message is, and it's a very tough one, because we have been programmed for four decades in the education system to do exactly the opposite. But the main message of spirituality is, get out of your head. Look at what lie and look at the amazing abundance that life has to offer. And especially when it goes in a direction that you didn't anticipate. That's the time to be excited, because you can actually learn something. Right? And that was really my spiritual experience, experience and breakthrough to realize this is just a voice. It is not us. It's just a voice. Sometimes it has something interesting to say sometimes not. But there's an authority for you. On the voice in the head and that is all to spirituality.

Brandon Handley 18:03

Now fair enough. One second Chris, I'm gonna go ask my kids to go move. So the letting go right and getting out of your way. And the aspect of of us trying to apply direction, right? mentally, mentally direction versus Heart, heart feel it feeling it forward, right? That's right, feeling it forward. Well, all right. How do you do that?

Christian Wiese 18:36

Well, that's really exciting stuff happens it is we are not independent of our life. The life that we experience the people we bump into, I mean, I am always messenger it's just so apparent. person one context me person to contact me five minutes later, person one and person two are in my life connected. So I see Just even though they have no idea what's going on, I can literally see the strings. Right. So with those modern technologies, we actually can see almost how life operates. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 19:11

Yeah, yeah,

Christian Wiese 19:12

I think that's a great thing too, that that gets you out of the head. And but again, I would say is always know on which level you work. Because I think you and I do. We do different things to work as a spiritual life coach, you help people with their career choices with their personal choices, right. The next level that I'm interested in this kind of what is that no self experience. There is no self, it's just your part of life. You are there no thoughts, just the no self. I mean, that's what the you know, well, the gurus talk about it's an exciting, almost philosophy or experience, but it doesn't help so much. The guy who has those has just two newborn children and has a little make a living. Right? That's where you come in. Sure. Yeah, you know, it's such a challenge to

Brandon Handley 20:09

fall into this space, I guess it's kind of the best way to say it to to, to open once you've opened up to the spiritual self, right? Or the your spirituality, your spiritual being. How do you reconcile that? Right? How do you integrate that? And that's, that's a huge challenge.

Christian Wiese 20:28

It's a challenge, but it's also a huge opportunity because

Brandon Handley 20:31

so much for sure, listen to your your speaking a new language, you're learning a whole new way of being. So you cannot. So it's kind of like the Buddha and the and the, you know, the Rosebud, right, flower bud, you can't squeeze that right. It's expected to bloom so you got to you've got to nurture it, understand it and follow it. You know, I still remember when people were telling me you got to trust in the process before I had ever experienced the process. Right? So there's trust in the process, which is kind of a faith in this, this possible way of being that you, you simply you can't convey it in

Christian Wiese 21:17

words. That's right. You cannot write but what we can convey is how much fun it is. That synchronicity is something that we discussed in our last talk, right? I think you are also an experiencer Can you pronounce it Suresh polities scientists, so it's either the numbers or just the human connections. And the the first experience is so much fun, you understand it to gain it's no longer the, you know, it's it's all about life or death. It's literally again, you making a mistake, and you hear somebody laughing in the background. Ha ha ha you messed this one up.

Get ready not that serious,

Brandon Handley 22:02

right? Well, you know, I, I poke fun at that too because the word light is in enlightenment. That's right, right. So how can we come at this from a sense of it's heavy, hard, steady work. But it's also meant to kind of lighten the load, right?

Christian Wiese 22:24

We are creators. I mean, it just stink up an entrepreneur or the guy who inventing or an Albert Einstein every day when they got up, they were all smiles. I can't wait to see what I create today. But I think that that experience, I think

Brandon Handley 22:40

that that's a great, you know, how can somebody applied themselves in that manner? Today right now, regardless of you know, I'm in a nine to five, right? How do I apply that principle of I am a creator of Wherever I am, that might not

Christian Wiese 22:56

be the thing that you actually do, which hopefully gets your meaning but There's also the interaction with the people, you know, very much like I described as my messenger experience, you suddenly bump into that person and the person says something which the person never says, exactly that kind of word that resonates with you, because you read it yesterday in a book, and you suddenly start and this is really important. I don't know how. Yeah, this is the process. And it's a lot of fun. And everybody can experience even in a in a workplace that they consider boring. It's literally the lightest streaming in and you can experience it anywhere. But on the other hand, I understand sometimes you are forced in a new direction. And I give myself as an example, I actually had plans to be at a job until today 2020 because I'd always wanted to start with a friend, a meditation center and she just wasn't ready. So For me, that jump came two years ahead of time because there were changes at work and it just didn't work for me anymore. So suddenly a new situation comes and for a couple of years, I was a little bit bored. I have to say, Yes, I was writing books, and I was working with people, but there was always a feeling. You know, I wish I had three more hours of actual creative work to do because only so much spirituality I can do. But guess what, that was a very, very spiritual experience where I really went to the next level, understanding better about my own drive above my own cross patience above my own limits. And that's part of life. You have to if you're really interested in spirituality, and that's where the life coach starts differing from the spiritual coach. The Life Coach job is to make sure that that person is successful in the way that they want. Creating love, whatever it is that they want versus friendship quotes gets a little arrogant says, Whatever happens to you, you will learn a lot. For sure it's you know, I don't know, sometimes you have to build something and then afterwards you can have that arrogant perspective. Do you understand which direction I'm going?

Unknown Speaker 25:21

Now go ahead and give me a little more on that.

Christian Wiese 25:23

Okay, so I just saw the psychologist, the young cago stuff young, I think put it very well. He says the first half of our life journey, we develop the self.

The second half, you actually

Brandon Handley 25:40

had I had that I actually had that one.

Christian Wiese 25:42

I had that as a quote. And in the second half of the life journey, we start letting go, right. So as the Buddha which puts it over everybody else, but if you die before you die, felt kind of disappears. This integrates,

Brandon Handley 25:58

right yeah, not lost. Uh, you know, I never, you know, I've definitely always said, This ease but I'd never done this integrate. Right. Which, you know, right yeah, that explains kind of a lot.

Christian Wiese 26:19

Well, I feel bad it was like so let's take the example of when you bump into your colleague when that person says what she never says just out of the blue uses a ratchet she never used the point it's exactly the birth if you just read in that meaningful book at night, right? everything for you stops right just stared her. There are no thoughts. There is just that feeling of I can't wait to see where this is. This is going. So you see this is just an example of the self disintegrate the the knowledge that everybody talks about. You're so excited to be in the moment that innocence us Then, as an identity kind of get integrated into colleagues in the story in what's about to come. That's really the kind of, you know, living now. So it's not that you as a person disappeared, it's just that you literally just become out of it

Brandon Handley 27:16

when you become kind of the observer. Is that what you're saying? Yeah, you kind of

Christian Wiese 27:21

the actor, the everything.

Brandon Handley 27:24

And you're seeing all that at the same time. You're seeing it all at the same time. Is that what you're saying? That's

Christian Wiese 27:28

right. Yeah. And many people have thought experiences, it's just they never put in a spiritual meaning to answer just say, Wow, that was Mind blown. Yeah, sure. Sure.

Brandon Handley 27:41

I think I think that that's what you and or I or even religion provides is this kind of framework for when it does happen? That's right. Right. So because there's going to be this whole building of the ego to Carl Jung talking about that you're talking about there where you're going Go your whole life and it's gonna seem to fit everybody else's expectations, patterns, societal norms, but then there's going to be this threshold that you cross over, where you disintegrate with that identity of the self and you recognize the connectedness. That's right to everything. That's right. And if you don't know, this is where I think this is where I'm gonna play big is there's a bunch of over 33 million in the United States, right? last census not this last one. They don't claim any religion, right? So they don't have a framework for when this happens to them. That's right. So it's like, hey, it's okay. That's right. let's let's let's a let's figure out kind of, what's your what's your what's your background? And let's, let's steer you to a couple stories that reflect exactly where you are. Right.

Christian Wiese 28:52

Yeah, but more than that, if I could add on that, because I really think it's important for people like you and I and your viewers. Think of that. See? You that was brainwashed by his father mother to be somebody, you know, go to Harvard. Yeah, buddy, no be member of that golf club or whatever it is. And then you meet all those competitive people and you just put all your identity and building profits. And then there comes that moment and God forbid anybody, if it happens to anybody, but let's say the daughter certainly gets cancer. Can you just suddenly say, Whoa, I couldn't care less what the profit statement is, I need to make sure that my daughter is okay and that she gets healthy again, so that those life changing moments, but he didn't say, well, it's no longer about profit, but what is it about? And that I think is the opportunity to really have the people in the important places, CEOs, the upper management, the inventors creators, that they have that guidance of You know, moving towards a new model? Yeah. And I think if we if we get a few of those people, amazing change.

Brandon Handley 30:08

What's your what's your vision of a new model?

Christian Wiese 30:11

quantum new model is just the understanding that the economic model of scarcity is gone. That we live in a world of abundance that everybody has to find it and that's a spiritual journey because we have to start overriding the voices of our parents, the voices of society, the voices of our spouse, tables, Rosa, that's amazing thing. It's not an any spiritual folks always say us versus them. It's not true, or the unconscious person if it wasn't for the unconscious person.

It's not true, right?

Brandon Handley 30:45

We have growing Why is that not true? Let's Let's hit on. Why is that not true?

Christian Wiese 30:49

Well, it can be true in the sense that people get so annoying that we just say I have to leave. And then they're part of the process, but often, it is our own. As I said to you, my spiritual experience was for the last two years where I didn't have as much to do as, as I used to when I did exactly what you were doing having my nine to five job and then at night, you know, working streamer hours to get my books out, I suddenly realize you know, there is an inner void that I had to face. And yes, I was so cool at my work and I was so cool as a life coach and so cool in my writing, but you know what that coolness means something to me. And that's not I don't want people to project to me that's, that's not it. I have to find a way to to to face it in a void and of course the underdog it'll say meditation. You go invert, you discover the light within. The first part of the journey is we see the light without the second part of the journey is we discover the light within minutes. It's really not rocket science. So without It happens to everyone.

Brandon Handley 32:01

Well, you know, and but but it you know, it's still again, I think until you begin the journey until you kind of start to experience. It's not part of your peripheral, right? It's not it's not, it's not something that you're willing to accept. Yeah, that's right. I, you know, like I said to you earlier, I'm working on my, on some of my information, right? For kind of describing, because it's, this is a I'm building it as I go. But what does it say? I said, you know, spirituality. So this, you know, look, I'm, I'm talking to my generation, right? Mm hmm. But also, spirituality for the person that couldn't give a shit about it until now.

Unknown Speaker 32:46

Right, because,

Brandon Handley 32:48

until you until until you have had an experience, you're not going to be triggered to seek more and seek harder because you have had That experience.

Christian Wiese 33:01

I think those people are incredibly powerful and incredibly potent, because I do see a little problem as those very spiritual guys. Again live in their own head. Yeah, oh, you have to be a vegetarian. All you have to do all you have to do that, by the way, I am a vegetarian at moral grounds, but I eat a burger over the veggie burger. I do not feel any difference. However, on the moral ground, I'd say, yeah, it's not nice what we do for our animals. But the thing is, if you just live in your you have to feel it. If you just live in your head, you will always play those us versus them games and they're always different, us versus them never because the only insight of spirituality is we are all one. The critical voice that confronts us is us speaking to ourselves. We have to just find a way to either say I don't want to deal with her right now going a different direction not to say There must be a way how we can integrate our views because we have one. Right,

Brandon Handley 34:08

right right now. And I love that. I think it was for me to work with a particular group where I understood about, you know, cooperation and trust and supporting each other. And just like you were saying earlier, I feel like that's a place where, if you can't be or don't feel comfortable with being vocal about spirituality, you can apply spirituality. Would you say that that's true?

Christian Wiese 34:38

And don't talk about it, that the other mistake that the spiritual books say, they go out to the public and say, Oh, you just don't know the power of communication, the power of connectivity, the power of caring, don't say a word Just do it. Right. Because when you say something, the other person will say, Well, what a loony but the moment when you actually do it, The other person will take notice. And I do think there is incredible I mean, when it comes to the power of actually, I think it's a course in miracles that says creation is communication, which I think in our modern world is incredibly important because in a sense, it's all especially what you do. It's all about communication, connectivity, creative, creativity, caring for each other. So I had in the book, the four C's, as I called it, I think that that all applies for the modern society, especially the stuff that you're doing. And if you start using the experiment, I'm not an ego. Let me see if I think that the other guy ain't so bad. If I start with a premise, let me see what happened. In next day. The guy starts You know, taking the foreign advantages, okay, Soviet experiment wasn't, wasn't so successful. But in my experience, I did it for seven years. It worked like a charm. But it was a psychological experience. You felt the fear the other person felt the fear the getting together is a process. It doesn't happen overnight. But when you start out with that process, let me experiment those very powerful themes. A you will be successful. But if you do it on a higher level, if a CEO start saying, you know what we are all, we all talk the talk, but we don't walk the walk, right? We all say all we can take care of each other. But at the end of the day, whoever brings in the most money is the guy who gets promoted and whoever doesn't bring in the most money as a problem, right? Well, that's a very spiritual because it might be that this is support person, a blue guy who actually carries himself A team, right? But you only reward the guy who brings in the money. Sure. So if you really start with the premise, we are one unit. Let's take care of each other. Let's build something together. Let's have an incentive structure that really rewards true connectivity and trusting each other. I do think operations can go very far. Because when you really believe in the in the company you're working for you go out of your way to deliver when you think Well, my boss is just telling stories, and he doesn't care for me at all. And the moment when things don't go my way out the out of the door. You will not deliver the same goods that you do and I think it's a very powerful

Brandon Handley 37:48

100% hundred percent like, you know, I just left one company not too long ago, and that was the feel you nothing ever felt safe and secure. Right? Not for For top performers or bottom performers, nobody. So how are you going to perform on a consistent basis in that environment? versus where I'm at now, um, similar environment of me similar similar type of work. But, you know, like I said, the, from the top down, they're leading with spirituality, and they mean it. It's very powerful. It's also challenging to wrap my head around some of it, you know, because I'm just grown up with this other environment, right? So you've grown up in this other environment, you're like, Okay, well, you've got to adapt and somewhat rapidly, but it seems like what is this? So just going through a new wardrobe right here, you gotta try on these.

Christian Wiese 38:47

For anybody who has been trained by the modern Western model. You know, tough guys finish first. nice guys finish last and similar statements. America, it shouldn't happen. But the model that we are living, the Western society is living and the eastern guys are a little different. They're smarter than us. They have, they have a little bit more of that idea of oneness. And the Europeans are somewhere in the middle. So I know a little bit about it, because at work, I was covering Japan, which is really at the other extreme of the, of the spectrum. I live. I've spent now most of my life in the US, but I grew up in Germany. So I actually felt that I experienced was all three models, Europe, somewhere in between the Americans very much about the individual, and the Asians, the Chinese, the Japanese kind of really believing in the power of one, right. Every model has its strengths and advantages. I guess if you play football, you should believe in the proper cause. If you play golf, you should you should believe in the power of the individual. But if you're on a company, maybe some of the spiritual concept people make you a lot of money.

Brandon Handley 40:02

Yeah, no, no 100%. You know, just just again, going back to the point like when you show your teammates, you know, cooperation and you give them trust and you support them in, you know, give them some autonomy, right? Don't micromanage price and value their inputs genuinely. It's changes the whole dynamic.

Christian Wiese 40:29

They work from early in the morning until late at night if we need to produce something because they believe in, right?

Brandon Handley 40:38

Yeah. No, that's true. That's true. I wanted to hit you know, two more things here. The bliss point, you know, I think that's an interesting concept and idea, what would you you know, what would you say that that is, is there a specific one, there's definitely been numbers thrown about there. How can you tell that you are As your bliss point,

Christian Wiese 41:02

it's very complicated, then I do think you sometimes need a coach like you for that. Because you shouldn't short sell yourself. You shouldn't say all text is not good for me. That's what the book said, Oh, I shouldn't be greedy and shouldn't earn money. And I hate those capitalists who have that big house and right. No, that's a lot of repression in debts knew it could be true for some, maybe there are some monks, but there's a lot of repression. And I don't think that's spirituality at all. I think, again, going back to the young example, first you try to assert yourself, you say, I need a loving companion, I need a worker I can really express myself. I like because it's and I like big cars and I like to have a motorcycle. I want to have those three things. And then you try to try for 10 years. 15 years, maybe After the changes, you know what? I now understand the trade off. Yes, I could earn money but it doesn't give me meaning. Or maybe it's the kind of well I earn a lot of money and it gives me so much meaning. We can't say what happened to an individual, but everybody has to try to so the way I would put it is everybody has to create a garden, you know, the Garden of Eden, your own personal garden, and you figure out over the decades what it really is, that is important. We, of course, family men. I mean, to me, family is everything. No. But we both love creative expression and connecting with others.

Brandon Handley 42:39

Yeah, listen, I mean, that's that for me is so huge, right? I you know, we you said, you know, so we've used the word creative and creativity so often through here, you know, I think a lot of people are under the mistaken impression that creativity can only be applied to painting or drawing or writing? Where else can it be applied from your from your perspective?

Christian Wiese 43:05

Well, I was at work, as I said, I started out as an economist, but then I realized if I just put out an economic forecast, people say very interesting, but how can I make money? And you know, then you say, Okay, well, how can I help them making money and then you go into the direction of well, it's all psychology. As long as that line goes down, people are depressed, but the moment when it stops going down, that's the moment when markets get exciting. So it was about psychology about getting appealed for short term forecasts and how it can, can use it. And the most wonderful transition happened over those 20 years. 10 years I spent as a scientist, right. And then 10 years I spent as an artist, because then certainly when I came to psychology, it's but above feeling when it came to those lines that went up and down was literally taking the pencil thing I have a hunch that over the next couple of months, we will start seeing this. And I literally became an artist of have better pattern recognition is is as much an art as a science. And I immediately went into the artists position. So Can anybody be creative at Walmart? I don't know. You know, sometimes we have to leave certain places. But Can everybody within that job description can find ways to connect more to be more creative to really express themselves? Absolutely. Because I lifted I learned about I needed a long time for that, I hope with your help other people that can do it faster. I literally needed 10 years. But it's been a long time now, because I went from the left part of the brain to the right part of the brain. And you literally have to restructure your neurons to be to come out on the other side.

Brandon Handley 44:55

Now for sure, for sure. And I think Well, I think that with technology Today, not necessarily the, you know, compute power or any of these other things, but with the ability to listen to audios and go out and find what it is that is striking your chord. And you can go and you can do, you can build those neuron paths quickly. I pray, you can build this neuron pass quickly. So the others I asked about, like, you know, kind of, and I appreciate, you know, how you applied like the artistry to to your work and you became an artist in that space. But one of the, you know, you ended it with like, you know, the person at Walmart, can they be creative? Can they become an artist? I say yes, in the sense of, they create the experience. Right? You know, how do you create meaning in what it is that you do and the example that I use years ago, for me, was when I was banging around on Excel spreadsheets and press n Buttons every day as a man, all I do is I show it to work, I bang bang around on this machine, I press buttons, I say, what what are you really doing? And what am I really doing? And, you know, so for me, I was selling to a large service provider at that time. And I thought about the, the idea of what I was doing was enabling all the bits and zeros in like, everywhere that was happening because the work that I was doing was directly touching almost every bit of zero that you know, covered at least east coast. So, and, you know, I was like, well, who's at the end of the end of that today? I'm creating relationships today I'm enabling, you know, these things. So, I would say, you know, for the person that is at Walmart, and if they can create a happy experience that they can help somebody locate, you know, maybe racquetball for whatever for that person's dog. They're creating an experience and so they are In essence creating, it's your willingness to recognize your creative capacity.

Christian Wiese 47:06

That's right. I have a beautiful story that I share in the upcoming book, which will come out maybe later this year, early next year. It's called the daymaker. Did you hear that story? Now? Tell me about it. Okay, so there was a guy who was flying business class from Australia. And he was flying business class and he was sitting next to and you know, one of those very serious business type people and, and, and the guy said, so what do you do for a living? He said, Oh, I'm a daymaker. The guy looked at him as a daymaker. What are you okay, so it turns out, he was a hairdresser. But he said he had so much fun doing it and he had so much energy that, that he, you know, emitted in a sense he was doing He was making the day for people. And initially when you had to start this out a very interesting UI opinion of themselves, but then the start continues and says one day he was in this in a shop and a woman came one customer, she came two weeks ahead of schedule, it's out. Can you speak to me in Excel? Absolutely. And he said on that day, they both had a lot of fun developing support, and he presumed that she had a special event that you had to go through. So you know, they spent an hour together and then she went off. And a week later, she got a he got a letter from her saying that on that day, she actually wanted to commit suicide, but she kind of wanted to look good. And by just hanging out with that guy and feeling his energy, and you know, she always liked him, he decided not to. So you know, that really gives meaning to the word daymaker. And I think very much like your spiritual experience to see ones and zeros. If we just if we just start To remind ourselves what kind of input we have, right? I think that already would be out of this point.

Brandon Handley 49:06

Yeah, yeah. No, I love that story because the impact that you're having is so much greater than, than you're giving yourself credit for. That's right, right. That's wrong. So well, you know, so you've got the two books, you've got the way of the Meister that's out. You have the experience. Experiment. What's the other one? Because a magnificent experiment, magnificent experiment. And now you've got another one coming out. Yeah. What's up? Do you have a you have a working title yet?

Christian Wiese 49:34

Yeah, actually, we have a couple of books. So I mentioned my partner, we want to open a spiritual center and, and she has a mentor in Cape Town. And, and she has translated a book that deals with chick Gong. So the energy dynamics and we put out that that book because I think it really is addresses an area that that in our in our industry, I was almost tempted to say in our you know, in our profession is often overlooked the feelings of power feelings. So literally to understand the feelings that are going through it and having method of dealing with them. So that's one very exciting book, The title is letting go release your suffering. Okay. The other book is a little bit more into the philosophical direction that I started to discuss here a little bit. It's kind of what is religious state of no self, it's really the ultimate freedom so that the title of the book is breaking free. So really the discussing the next step in the spiritual journey that happens to everyone, which is just in a sense, becoming part of a bigger oneness, which itself increasingly being, you know, out of the picture, which is really a lot of fun.

Brandon Handley 50:54

Right, right. I mean, once you remove yourself and you know, I talked about it without One of my first podcasts is kind of letting go and letting God

Christian Wiese 51:02

Right. Yeah. Right. Same idea. Right. Do you want to talk

Brandon Handley 51:08

about spiritual center at all? I just got coming up. How's that looking for you? I think it's super exciting for you. How's it? How's that? How's that feel?

Christian Wiese 51:14

Yeah, so we got a little delayed with the COVID crisis, because, you know, meditation is all about hanging out with each other. We haven't done anything. She sits in Washington, DC. So the hope is we start something in Washington, DC, but we will only get a reading on that next year. Okay. This is just about getting the book out and hopefully, we'll build some momentum.

Brandon Handley 51:38

Awesome. I love it. I love it. So I think I think the book, both ones I've read, I've enjoyed and I think that they've helped me on my spiritual journey. They've helped me to, you know, see how you've gone through it right because others other Listen, people have gone through what you're going through for any listener out there, right. So no matter what you think you're going through Somebody has gone through this, you're not the first you won't be the last. That's right. It is a it is a wonderful, crazy experience. But there are people like, you know, I can reach out to Christian if I'm going through something and just talk about it right? And he's gone through it. A lot of the stuff that I've gone through or you're very good at helping give me direction at least feel like hey, maybe not me, but maybe maybe go you know, look in this area, here's, you know.

Unknown Speaker 52:27

And so

Brandon Handley 52:29

by reading your books, I can kind of see where my journey is going. And so I really enjoy that. So thank you for writing these books. Thanks you for sharing with with not just me, but with others, right? Your journey has been very, very helpful. Where should we send people to go kind of find you and get in contact with you?

Christian Wiese 52:47

No, I think the best way I mean, you can find me on Facebook, but otherwise, the best way is really my website. It's w w w dot Christian and then my middle initial which is m which is also the maesteg And then my last name visa.com. And they can find everything access to the books and to the block and and also to somebody who wants to work with me my services. So that's the best way of

Brandon Handley 53:15

awesome thanks for hanging out today.

Christian Wiese 53:16

Thank you so much for this

What is going on spiritual dope Brandon Handley here the voice of a generation and today we're going to talk a little bit about int to Grecian int to gration, what's it mean to you? How can you feel integrated and of course, we are coming at this from the spiritual angle. So, you know, I got questions like do you have you ever felt like an annoyance or frustration. You know me perhaps you feel less than or a reduced sense of yourself as though who or what you are truly capable of being is right outside of your reach. Are you feeling a tremendous pressure within you as you unlock the truth of who you are, so that you know, so that you're accessing your tremendous gifts and unleashing them into the world and finally, finally, stepping into the being that you always knew existed within Look, you may certainly have a certain amount of contentedness and perhaps even a little bit of surprise with where you are in life today, given your absolute given the absolute novelty of your incredible journey. You may even be clapping yourself on the back because you've displayed perceived risks, right? And I say proceed. I play with that word a little bit perceived risks of choices that you've made in life. But the truth of the matter is, if you're being honest with yourself, it's been relatively easy, right? It's been relatively easy. And you may be wondering how the health of a little human being you was able to accomplish what you have accomplished with such relative ease. And you may even now be at the point where there's a threshold of wondering what it what it is that you could discover if you challenged yourself and I would dare say, even greater than challenging yourself. discover yourself recovering, receiving and accepting the truth of who you are. I'm going to go out on a limb here and, and guess that at times you've at least imagined yourself or currently believe yourself to be of divine origin, you may place the spotlight on this thought or concept. And if you had discovered it to be true, you may even be feeling as though you have multiple versions of yourself. Like there's the duplicity witness of who you are. There's many different versions of who you are. And a baseline you see yourself as both, you know, so we'll set that as a baseline and maybe you see yourself as a spiritual being. And maybe a material being you just just would just to regardless of how many different versions of yourself that you truly think that there are. And this is a dis a dis integrated sense of self and today, you'd like to feel the whole whole of who you Are all of who you are. A lot of people refer to this as, as this self, as your as your higher self, right? They wrap elements of vulnerability and other phrases like your true self and their questions like, who would you be if no one was watching or give me an example of a time in your life or a specific day or single experiment

Unknown Speaker 3:29 where you felt like you were doing what you were born to do.

Brandon Handley 3:35 This line of questioning and thinking helps you to tap into those aspects of your inner beingness that it's so often neglected. As you're so busy doing. You're so busy doing all the time you you just, you're not being who you truly are. For this next piece. I want to encourage you to realize and maybe accept or consider which cells You are willing to believe in? Is it the human thinking self? If it is that self that you are already aware of all the capabilities, you're already aware of all your human capabilities, thoughts and processes, what that self is capable of, simply by looking around and all that you've done, and become up until this point will give you the very example of what a conscious human is capable of doing of their human self. Right? And, you know, suppose you decide that you have again, at a base level, a spiritual self, is that self limited in any way? Does that self have any doubts? Does the spiritual self have any fears? Now, is this if the spiritual self detached from who you are in the physical world, I mean, is it a piece of you at all times or just sometimes it's great question. Is it possible to send just pure yourself anywhere. And for it to come back with a you know, with what it is learned? Can you send your spiritual self into the future? To see what it comes back with? Will it get injured? Will it be able to learn something for you? If it is possible to think, feel and believe this way at all? Is it possible to do this at any time? Could you could you hand your worries over to your spiritual self right could you hand your worries over to your spiritual self. And that self takes all of your worries, right? The self that grows your hair, the self that pumps your blood, the Celtic creates blood vessels, transforms light in the images in your in your head. You know, I can take that self, the one that creates new body cells to replace the old while you sleep. If you already tried your spiritual self or the life force or your divine inner self to take care of the small things that are daily keeping you alive, then what else? Is it? That what is your, what is within you? What else is that capable of what else are you capable of? The true challenge here is to rise to your level of thinking, right? Once your physical being is merged with your spiritual being, then you can decide to see things in this manner at all times, right? You ultimately change everything that you see. And essentially, all that you are and really that's the call to action this week or this time is to change the level of thinking, change your consciousness, when people talk about different levels of consciousness that that's what what is what is your mind focused on, people talk about a prosperity consciousness that means they're focused on prosperity. People talk about a lack consciousness that means that they're focused on everything that is missing. People talk about a god level consciousness, a spiritual level of consciousness. So, really, consciousness is what you set your mind and intention on becoming or allowing or seeing within your life. What consciousness Are you fostering? Which way are you integrating? All of who you are with all of who you are, what are you? What are you? What pieces are you neglecting? I find I found the number of people who have neglected their spiritual self and all that they're truly capable of, and they've limited themselves to this very physical knock on wood, the physical right next to you self, all that they can see or perceive right here with them. And when we think about the fact that 99% of the rest of the universe, we can't perceive we cannot perceive different you know, lights shades, smell sense. Other vibrations, right?

What else is out there that we're not currently aware of? And then you know, how do we become aware of those things and that's the challenge. Become aware of your spiritual self integrate it within you small applications or you know, put the small things at play integrated smally you're not going to be able to say, hey, and maybe you can write what what is your level of belief about what you're currently capable of, with your spiritual self with your Divine Self and continue to expand on that. And I think that you'll find it's a powerful way to live. So you're basically you're taking yourself and you're going, I'm taking my human being. I'm jumping the gap to my divine being

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Brandon Handley 0:00 4321 Hey there spiritual dope. This is Brandon Handley, the voice of a generation. I am on with my good friend, Jeremy Todd from the positive side, you may ask yourself the positive side of what of everything. positive side of everything Jeremy Todd and I, we go way back. So you've got the podcast positive side, you've got your coaching, you know, just high level executive success coaching, that you've been running for years now. And I've loved watching you kind of grow that business and continue to grow yourself. And we're going to talk today a little bit about leading your life from a spiritual angle and doing it so that you're having a more fulfilling more successful life. How's that sound to you?

Jeremy Todd 0:48 Oh, that sounds perfect. Thanks for letting me on your

Brandon Handley 0:50 show. jacked up and fired up. Yeah. Yeah, I decided that Jeremy I think was my very first podcast and and man We couldn't GS Remember, we're trying to figure out how to even like talk to each other. I think you had to record on your side, I had to record on my side on a child, like the cast was terrible. But the conversation was magic. And the magic continues before before we get going, right, so the first thing I like to start us off with is, you and I were conduits for you know, the creative source energy of the universe, right? And when we when we put these podcasts together, when you and I are connecting, we're not connecting because you and I, like have a good conversation and we like each other. Yeah, it's because some type of message it's got to come out of this. And it's got to come through you by being here today. What's that message that the university Sangeeta?

Jeremy Todd 1:44 Well, for me, it's, it's it's a message that I've been really resonated with recently. I've always been resonating with this message, but recently, it's more important than ever that you know, it's that authenticity and being comfortable with myself and really being with everybody out there. It's, you know, the spirituality part. to even be comfortable with that. I think there's so many obstacles in our way and so many negative things that pop up on a day to day basis in our life with craziness going on. And it takes away from who we truly are. And it takes away our message. It takes away our spiritual spirituality. And you know, I'm tired of it. I'm ready to go the other way. I'm ready to really double down on my spirituality and double down on the positivity. Yeah. Because dammit, I'm tired of the negativity. And the only way we're going to do it is we're going to lead from the other side. And, you know, that's the side I want to be on. I don't want to be on the negativity side. I want to just, you know, trust and believe in myself with thee with the powers that I have already within that, I think, and they've been clouded for years. They've been clouded in the now with the craziness. They're even more clouded. But not anymore. Dammit, I'm tired. I'm sick and tired of this stuff. And you know, we talked briefly before this started about one of the things and again, I'm going on tangent, so I apologize but

Brandon Handley 2:54 other things as a message that somebody needs here. It's coming through you.

Jeremy Todd 2:57 Yeah, you know, we talked about you know, I'm ready to That book and I'm not here to talk about the book, but really here I'm talking about is the exercise of writing. I've never done it. I've never wrote more than three pages in my entire life. And now that I'm actually trying to put ideas down on paper, it's allowing me to go through this process in my head that I've never really been able to truly, not only just understand, but comprehend. Because things happen in my life and things happen in your life and in everyone's life that they're so hard for us to understand. And I try my small little brain, try and figure it out. And then you know, you lose topics, you lose organization in your own mind, because you go off on tangents, you think about other things. But as this writing process happens, and this is I guess, the biggest thing for everybody listening is write down some of those ideas. I recently had a piece of paper and pen next to my bed. So when I'm sleeping, I get an idea, boom, I write it down. But it's just being more organized and then being able to revisit that same thought, when I will. When typically in the past, when I would have an idea. I would struggle my way through it or fight my way through it. And another Understand why is this thought in my head right now? And then I'd be done with it, I move on with it, and then it would come back. And then I wouldn't be as clear as I am. Right. So throughout this writing process process and writing these things down that I've gone through in my life, it's given me a better opportunity to understand, you know, what the meaning was, at the time in my life. Why was it brought to me at that time in my life? And what have I actually learned and where I can build from that at this point in my life? So, man, it's just in the last few weeks, last few months, I've just been really magical. And you know, that's why it just ties right into this podcast. I was excited to get on the show to really talk about these things and talk about the things that typically other people don't want to talk about it don't know how to talk about it, or they know how to talk about it, but they're scared to talk about it. And I think that's a bigger thing. How am I going to get judged? Are these Yeah,

Brandon Handley 4:44 am I weird? You know, to me, this is a you know this. So first of all, thanks for sharing that message. To me. It sounds like a message of you know, trying to reacquaint yourself with yourself. Yeah, exactly. And it's also trying to capture Those images that you create in your mind when they're clear, and they're vivid, and they're fresh on a piece of paper so that at least when you come back to them, you capture the full essence of what that image was. And because those, those little flashes of insight are just so powerful. And if you don't write them down, like you're saying, when you come back to it, it's a faded version of what it was when you first saw Yeah, you're like, this doesn't seem nearly as potent as it was, like, 45 minutes ago, right? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 5:30 exactly. Or I could completely forget about it. And then I'm like, damn it. What was that idea that I have? It's so powerful, for sure. Now, I can't remember it. All right,

Brandon Handley 5:38 that's Tammy. It's amazing. Like I'm just like little little short bursts of like, capacitor energy, like, you know, that's the I don't know what you know about electronics, right? But uh, so there's little capacitor there that the energy gets stored in so that when you take a picture with the flash, right, it's a high burst of energy in that capacitor. Okay. But then it dissipates. And it takes a while for it to fill back up.

Jeremy Todd 6:03 Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly. Exactly. Oh, this isn't. And, you know, I just think that the journey that I'm on now it's one of the most powerful and exciting journeys I've ever been on my entire life because this is exactly like that. It's those ideas that I've never been really, really processed throughout, in my own head. And I've also mentioned this a lot lately is that, you know, I believe I have all the right answers already within me. But when I'm clouded by the darkness, or the negativity or just being busy, or all the other bullshit excuses, I can put in my own head and give myself away out. It just I've never really had the opportunity to sit down and be within myself and work my way through this and discover the answers that are right there in front of me. You know, like meditation.

Brandon Handley 6:44 You know, first of all my own throws out at you right? In this book. I love this book. It's called a more beautiful question, right? We have been taught to have answers, right. But one thing that we haven't really been taught well, and I haven't been taught well, right is how to ask better questions how to ask like those. Sure, deep questions. And if we don't ask those if we don't if we don't learn how to ask, we don't learn how to kind of do that deep seeking, right? I mean, that's part of coaching though, too, right? Like the reflective aspect of coaching. I want to I do want to lean back here for a second because you talked about being afraid to lead with like that. That's spirituality, right with that, because that could be perceived weird. And that was really kind of something I had held myself back with. Right. And I'm super glad to hear like that, you know, you you've been looking for a place to have that conversation. You've been looking for a place to have that kind of it's not necessarily exposed, but who can I talk to? That is going to understand where I'm coming from with this stuff.

Unknown Speaker 7:49 Hey, Brittany Haley. Absolutely. Hundred

Brandon Handley 7:51 percent. Right. Absolutely. And, and, and then like, you know, there's zero judgment from that, too. It's like, all right, yeah. I hear what you're saying. And I I agree with, you know, everything you're saying. And and the question becomes like, Okay, this is where you're at, just like coaching, right? Where do you want to go? What do you want to do with this knowledge? You know it, right? Yeah. Now it's, you know, that's what you want to do. So you're doing it through a process a book, right?

Jeremy Todd 8:18 Yeah, you know, and I think it's also understanding and just really have the mental capacity of understanding that, and I love this quote is vulnerability. vulnerability is my strength. By being vulnerable, being who I am and being being weird and quirky, that's my strength. And I've always shied away from that, like, you know, it's, it's, it's maybe not what so and so thinks I am or I don't want to get judged and all those other bullshit things that come in your head, but at the end of the day, none of that matters. And actually, the more authentic you are with yourself, the more powerful you become. And it's taken me a long time to even understand that point of it because, gosh, I mean, all these answers that I'm thrown out there within my life, people are attracted to me more now than they've ever been because it is different. It's what people have always wanted to do but they can't they don't have the power now they see, you know, they see you and they see me doing it. They're like, you know what, maybe it's okay. Yeah, those conversations are awesome to

Brandon Handley 9:08 know. It's always awesome to you know, and I know that even when I started on the father for the rest of us podcast, I was like, Alright man, step into your power. Yeah. Right. And, and but this is so when I met Jeremy guys, ladies and girls, ladies and ladies and gentlemen, I met Jeremy in person years ago at a, you know, a podcast meetup. And one of the things that stood out to me about Jeremy was, you know, you talked about having to have 100% faith in yourself, and belief in yourself. Sounds to me and you know, I'm not trying to be judged. You're not though it sounds to me like you kind of got disrupted with some of that, like over the past couple years, right. And that's been something that's kind of been eating you away, but now you're finding kind of a Marie Newell. of this. I'll call it you know, faith and self, you know, self belief. Is that what I'm here coming? Because I mean, you're bringing the energy so

Jeremy Todd 10:08 well, there's no question about it. And I think the biggest thing is, you know, it's that old saying act as if, And hey, if I'm gonna be honest, completely honest with myself, I've always tried to just keep telling myself Hey, everything's gonna be fine. If it's gonna be good. I'm gonna be super positive, but I've never really dealt with the reality of what I'm actually dealing with in within my soul. So, yeah, yeah, hey, that's me. And yes, I strive to stay motivated to stay positive. But man, it's those darker things that I've never really faced in the past. And now I'm to a point in my life that I just don't give a shit. Now. I mean, I just the more and more I self analyze myself, the better I become, and the stronger I become, and the happier I am. I've had this realization recently to it, and I'm doing right, a lot of writing about fear. And one of my fears was always about fear of being alone. And I really analyzed that about, you know, there's two ways, the initial way I looked at that Was selfishly the eagle Tell me why don't want to be by myself physically, like, like, I always want to have a partner with me. You know, I want to have a girlfriend, I want to be married, I want to have all this stuff. So I always felt like ask me, who what am I gonna do if I'm alone? I mean, how can I take care of myself? So it was all physical. Really the hard part of that one of the what I've really understood now is it's not the physical part of being alone. It's the mental part of being alone. How can I be alone with myself my own thoughts, I've got more time than ever now I've actually got to face these things. face these things that have always been right in front of me. All these things that I you know, my self doubt myself. You know, I'm critical of myself constantly. I don't think I'm this or I don't think I'm good enough or smart enough. So all these things now that I've understood that the fear of being alone wasn't the physical part is the mental part. And now that I'm facing that part of it, it's allowed me to grow exponentially. Because as I go through these things, I become happier with myself. I'm becoming my own best friend. Sure. And I think That's so powerful that you know we always and again this is me, I always thought I had to have that person Sure. Instead of understanding that I'm good enough and I can be my best friend and that was

Brandon Handley 12:10 that I think that there's a there's a huge there's a huge that that's how we're brought up man right we're brought up the chaser relationship once you've got that great relationship you become whole type of thing and you know two people complete each other and all this other jazz right but you know, that may be the end and then then the end result but those two people come together I love I think it's Wayne Dyer that talks about Thank you don't come together as two halves and create a whole you come together as two people. You're still two people. Right? With with Yeah, individuality is you got to come together as two whole people, right, loving yourself as for who you are and and before other people can love you. Correct. You

Jeremy Todd 12:55 can't come in halfway. You got to come in 100% because no one's ever gonna fill that void. That's something that's taking me a long time to really just wrap my head around that concept because I don't know what it was. I don't know if it's just a switch one day. I'm like, you know what, that doesn't make any sense. I mean, I kind of enjoy being alone, actually. I mean, it's all good. But man, oh, man, the more you get, you know, alone and you start thinking your way through Why don't you like little stuff? Jeremy, why don't you know why don't you give yourself excuses for not going to the gym? I enjoy the gym.

Brandon Handley 13:25 I heard you know, so here's what I mean. Let's talk a little bit about it. I know that I heard you kind of busting your balls on on your podcast about like, you know, setting up excuses for yourself and realizations and you know, your own but yeah, and weighs out more than anything. But let's talk about you know, endless I mean, that's, that's, that's, that's everybody, right? That's every human that's out there does this to a certain degree. What I want to talk about those like, you know, kind of what you're talking about is is kind of leading with spirituality where you you know, you've accepted the power within you, right? Yeah. And, and so let's talk about What that means to you?

Jeremy Todd 14:02 Well, I mean, it's almost for accepting the power of me is is tough because I don't know if I've accepted all the power within me. It's almost like I'm hitting, you know, analogy. I'm going going down a big hill and I still hold my hands on the brakes, not willing to completely let go. I'm going fast. We talked about earlier, take the hands off the steering wheel and just let it go. Right, right. I am. I'm getting closer. I believe in myself more now than ever. And, you know, you know, just to say, you know, I wouldn't enjoy some wins, and not that I've never had wins in the past, but I want to enjoy a win on the spiritual journey that I'm on now. Maybe it is when I get that book out. That'd be a winner in the accomplishment. Maybe I don't even know what what will it be, but it's almost like I'm just, this is the path I need to go on. Yeah, I feel comfortable with this path. I don't know what the end result looks like. But I've never felt so good about this path that I'm on that I've ever been in my entire life.

Brandon Handley 15:04 So let's talk. Like, let's talk a little about, like, so it's like you're kind of you're kind of shading your own light is what I'm hearing. Right? So you're kind of shading your own light. Because it's, it's a little scary to admit that what you feel inside is greater than anything that you've ever felt before.

Jeremy Todd 15:21 So exactly, right. Right. It is it is. You know, it's the self, you know, then you have the self, where am I worthy enough? You know, and these things are just there. And again, I'm not trying to say who was me and but believe me, it's the positive side guy, you know, I'm all good. But you know, in a different space, right? You're just so you're feeling when you dial down deep into it. Mm hmm. start identifying different things. It doesn't change who I am as a motivational guy, inspirational guy, but it's this new journey that I love picking this part about just to get better. And I love it. And love is challenging. It's difficult. It's extremely hard. And it's the best challenge I've ever been on in my entire life and Because of the decisions I've made in my life, they all brought me to this exact point for a specific reason. And I'm excited about where this is gonna go.

Brandon Handley 16:08 Would you call it the serve resurrection of Jeremy Todd?

Jeremy Todd 16:11 I kind of feel like that man I really do. It's it's doing things that I enjoy doing. If I don't want to do something, I just don't do stuff. I don't know how to even explain it.

Brandon Handley 16:20 But don't do things that don't bring you life. Right. Why would you?

Unknown Speaker 16:22 Yeah, yeah, exactly.

Brandon Handley 16:24 And I think that though, you know, there's also there's a precipice here, there's a there's a, there's definitely caveats to this message, right? This is once you kind of step into this space that you're in, because prior to that people would take that as meaning Well, I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna get wasted. I'm not going to do work yada, yada yada. That's not what we're talking about here. Correct. We're not talking about going out and doing whatever you want. I'm gonna go streak and I'm gonna windows and all this other stuff. You can do that. Don't get me wrong. I have a blast right there. Done that right. Don't be a jerk. Um, but talking about, you know, what are the things ones that are fulfilling you right and looking for those and then adding more of those moments in your life is that we're talking about here

Jeremy Todd 17:07 is exactly what I'm talking about and it's doing little stuff that I want to do like I you know, I went on that trip to Ireland by myself. Yeah, man, that was the coolest thing in the world but no plans just hit said hey, I'm going by myself I don't know anything. I don't know anybody. I don't know where I'm going but I'm just gonna go do it I'm gonna handle and it was a blast. I'm trying to plan my next trip and this is totally totally off the wringer but I want to go hunting for some reason never been hunting in my entire life. Right. Well, my buddy Dustin bond working you know, Dustin. Yeah, so I'm gonna go out and see Dustin Vaughn warranty and he doesn't know it yet. But I'm sure to plan a trip down to go go down to Texas and go haul Connie. Nice. I mean, I've never shot a rifle before in my life. But it just sounds interesting to go out and and again, I'm not trying to sound horrible but kill an animal. But actually not just killing the same. See, let it like actually consume the animal. And again, you know, hey, I'm eating you know, we all eat hamburger and cheese. And we don't actually see the beginning process. I mean I'm excited about the the mental journey I go on when I physically kill another animal and then consume that animal. What does that do with my perspective on day to day life with what may go and do you know, whatever, go to the restaurant get a hamburger. No.

Brandon Handley 18:18 It's a rite of passage for you is What is

Jeremy Todd 18:21 it? Yeah, it's just something different that I've always thought about to see what that process is actually, like, instead of just Hey, I'll take a hamburger. The hamburger comes you don't ever see any of that you don't see the cow Walker? You don't see it as a baby cow. Come on. Oh my god. It's so pretty and it grows up and you don't see any of that. Yeah. And I'm just really trying to get in touch with everything into my life. And that's just one small area that I can do it and hey, let's see how it goes. I don't I

Brandon Handley 18:45 mean, that can be that could that could very well turn you into a vegetarian you never know. Well, because I'll tell you I had an experience growing up as a kid I got the BB gun and there was sitting in the backyard of my grandparents house. There's a was like a little bird said On the mulberry tree, right? Yeah. And I shot it, but then when I shot it like there was this thing that kind of just went through me it was so weird, right? Like when you Yeah, you know you're ending something else's life that look, we all step on bugs, right? we all we all flesh ticks. But yeah, it has something to do with like this this this bird right and and you know other lives. So you know it's an interesting it is definitely an interesting experience to take another life and I mean, it's very different than fishing. Right fishing Yeah, sure, sure. Same thing, but you don't the same thing, right? You're taking something out. Take taking something that was natural element and eventually you're killing it and consuming it. Yeah, right. I mean, there's no, there's no way to sugarcoat that's exactly what you know. But at the same time, it's really, I think important. What it sounds like is you want to go on or that process and experience it for yourself. I mean, yeah,

Unknown Speaker 19:59 exactly. And

Brandon Handley 20:00 how's that any different than mine ground beef?

Jeremy Todd 20:05 Yeah, exactly. Oh, yeah, I would never shoot an animal but I'm gonna go buy chicken or meat. Okay, I have a big have a big steak, okay, hey, I get all that but it's just something I've thought about and I'd be really interested about the spiritual part about that is in how emotional is it going to be for me because I'm a big, I'm a big nerd. I'm a big softy. I mean, I'll probably cry

Brandon Handley 20:26 like a little baby. I think it's interesting. Um,

Jeremy Todd 20:28 but you know, if I'm going to kill it, I'm going to consume it. And I'm not going to just leave it out there and just waste it. But I'm also a big believer of everything you eat that you take the spirit of that animal to so the garbage food you do take on that animal spirit and that soul in that process, so if I go out to an animal and kill it, I'm taking on that animal soul. And I'm interested to see how that's gonna make me feel a little bit differently when I actually eat the meat is gonna be a little bit different, like, the whole process is just something

Brandon Handley 20:59 I'll never know. Doesn't, I'm definitely interested to see kind of how that turns out for you. Right. And and the thing is main thing is, is not everybody's journey is the same, right? Your journey is your journey. And like I said, I'm enjoying, I'm joined kind of the space that you're in. Because it sounds like you're kind of at this front end of it, exploring it more, you expose the, you know, call it the light, your spirit, whatever, within you accepted it. And again, now you're like,

Jeremy Todd 21:29 now what? Yeah, yeah. And that, and that's, I don't know if there's a right or wrong answer or direct explanation. But you know, it's interesting, you know, and obviously, you don't be pretty well in full disclosure, you know, coming out of a long term marriage. And, you know, it's interesting when you're in a long term marriage, and again, my perspective, no one else's perspective, but you begin to and this isn't all marriages, this is again, I'm just being very vague with this, but you begin to not develop as the person that you truly Are you almost become two people into developing and as one not this isn't anything wrong with that totally cool. But I feel like I've went down that farce down the road for so many years and so long that I'd never really identify with who I actually am because getting married at a young age, you develop each other's lives through each other through through each other's experiences and preferences and opinions and, and again, not to say there's nothing wrong with because it's shaped me to who I am today. But going through that whole process and now being and again, go back to that fear of being alone. That's part of this process is figuring out who am I actually, what do I actually enjoy? What actually does scare me? I don't know those answers yet. And again, I'd love it that I don't know the answers. Yeah. And I don't know if I'll ever know the answers because part of that process of trying to figure it out, develops the person that I truly am going to become Sure. It's like chasing, you know, chasing the sunset. You're never going to get But it's always bright and always looks good and I'm all for it. Yeah, but I mean, but hey, man, I it's exciting Dude, I I couldn't be happier. I couldn't be more excited about the future scared about the future all at the same time. But, man, if anybody out there, listen to the show, it's just an opportunity to really dive down deep within yourself and figure out who you truly are. And there's and the other thing about that is not that I have to say, but there's no right or wrong answer to that. It's not about I'm the right person or this is the wrong person. I was right. No, right or wrong. It's Who am

Brandon Handley 23:33 I? The important thing is what you're saying there is eliminate the judgment. Right? Don't judge don't judge who you are. Don't judge the experience. Just

Unknown Speaker 23:45 be

Brandon Handley 23:47 right and it's really and again, that's something that unless and until you do it, it's a very it's very, it's a that's a very interesting experience. Um, and I you know, I picked that up through headspace, right and meditation and it was like, Don't judge. It was like it was there was a I forget one of the meditations, but even at the very, very beginning, like, Don't judge XYZ don't judge this. And while I'm sure I never thought of myself as judging before, I recognize the difference between judging my thoughts and experiences versus not. And when you're not judging them either good or bad. There's like an elimination of like weight on attachment to that, because when you judge something as good or bad, you're investing emotional energy into that. And that's a hook.

Jeremy Todd 24:33 Yeah, that's well said. I mean, you're exactly right. Because when you use explain to court exactly perfect, because when you do put those emotions on things, they are heavy, and you don't need to put any emotion on them. These are the things that have happened. These This is what the decisions I've made in my past. This is who I am not right, they're not wrong. And it's interesting when you talk about judging people because we're judging. The first thing you always automatically is thinking about judging other people, but the first person you can't judge yourself. And we always skip ourselves, you know, it's like, oh, man, I'm gonna judge that person. I won't judge that person. But this person, we got to not judge ourselves and what has brought us to this point in our life is all the good decisions and the quote unquote bad decisions.

Brandon Handley 25:14 Well, I'll tell you, I'll tell you, you know, what I kind of what I kind of got it down to was, you know, I tried really hard and made a lot of stupid mistakes. Right, and, and growing up, and the things that I did the things that I put in my body, the experiences I put myself through, and if I'm still here today, yeah, there's a reason. Reason. Yeah. And so I'm exploring that my purpose changes. My purpose changes the month the meanings change, but I investigate that right. I investigate that and it sounds like again, this is kind of where you're at, right? You're investigating Jeremy's purpose. You're investigating Jeremy's self identity. And I'd like to, you know, separate those two words. myself right your yourself those are two separate words right those are two ways now when you separate those two words and you break down what is your self that's your inner being I mean you look up the dictionary self is like your inner being right yeah and and so that's the piece that gets so neglected man and you know we show up in our you know late later ages nothing is all beat the hell it's like it's like it's like you show up with a used car lot there's the one that's like got leftover because because they didn't even want to take this wasn't one it's another

Unknown Speaker 26:33 is yeah

Brandon Handley 26:36 nothing left on it right. And now we're like, I can resurrect this bitch. Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 26:41 yeah hundred percent. Well I think one of the biggest things like you were talking about there is that when when you are 100% comfortable with yourself. It gives you the ability to when other people come into your area. If you have a high level of your you know, your energies are super high. And then they're clean too, because you can have a high energy and not even understand your high energy. So when you're high energy and you've cleaned you have got no clouds of your head, and then someone else comes, approaches you you can sense their energies in one second. You know exactly what's going on. Hey, I can tell you're going through some stuff What's up? No, I'm not. Yeah, er, because I can feel it.

Unknown Speaker 27:19 Right, right. And then

Jeremy Todd 27:20 all of a sudden it starts spewing all these things that's going on because when you're super, super clean, and you have that high energy, man, you just see life differently. That's a different perspective. There's a lot of things that come to you that you're Yeah, you're blank, your brain would block before but now it doesn't block cc more you're more aware you're more alert and you just see the world in different way. It's it's powerful. It's it's the same as

Brandon Handley 27:45 saying the two is when you kind of release the fear and come at it with a clean energy. You're open and receptive things because you're you're not goes back to judgment. You're not cringing yourself. You're not afraid of that person. Because you're good with who you are

Jeremy Todd 28:03 correct? Yeah, you know, it's so funny having conversations with people now that you male, female, whatever the case is, and they don't want to tell you a story. I don't want to tell you that because I don't want you to think of me as this. I truly would never think of any differently than what we have right here. Right? I don't care what you did in your past. I don't care what happened because hey, what the past what you brought you to me, and now we're having this conversation. I don't judge. But people don't people. You know, it's almost like

Brandon Handley 28:30 if your story is funny and crazy, I'll tell you. Yeah. It was crazy, though. Yeah, but you did you did that. Exactly. Okay. Right.

Jeremy Todd 28:39 But again, there's no reason to charge anybody anything because we're all of our spirits are completely different. But we're all here. Like you said, we're all here. Everything just bad decisions. I made, quote unquote, bad decision. This brought me to this point right now and I couldn't be any happier.

Brandon Handley 28:52 Right? So I mean, talk to me how you feel, you know, a big part of this is leading with spirituality to for a more fulfilling life. Tell me how you feel like you're doing that now?

Jeremy Todd 29:03 Well, I think it's direct reflection of, of, of my podcast. I mean, I and again, I'm not here to promote promote my podcast but that's that's really what I do is I really promote a peaceful spirit, a peaceful body peaceful soul and being authentic and be comfortable who I am and experiencing that and telling people, it's going to be okay. Hey, I've got this podcast that I tell people, the most honest, brutal stories in my life. But I don't expect any judgment from anybody. I don't judge myself for the experiences I've made. But I'm living from a spiritual peaceful place them coming out just to help others. And I can't tell you how many emails responses I get from people all over the world that just call me randomly email me randomly Jeremy changed my life. Thank you so much. That you know I was going through tough times with the COVID I had a young lady that's in Las Vegas she emailed me two weeks ago and said Jeremy changed my life. I was searching for a motivational podcasts. I searched positivity and yours came up. And I was blown away. I lost my job. You know, I have no money. I've got a young child at home. I don't know what to do, right? But just having that mental spirituality, that peacefulness well come over to you, man, I'm telling you just makes a big difference and we will talk about it enough.

Brandon Handley 30:23 I think that um, you know, a piece a piece of that, right? Like, can talk to me like a little bit about what you're feeling when you say spirituality because here's another thing that, you know, I'm, I'm kind of tripping over the past few days, is when somebody says they're spiritual, but like, they don't believe in God or a higher source. There's like, I'm spiritual. I'm like, no, not. Because like that answers. It's void of weight and substance right sometimes. Sure. And so, you know, that's why, you know, I saved you. So when you're saying spiritual, to me, what do you what are you saying?

Jeremy Todd 31:00 I have a secret question. I am agnostic at best. I believe there's a higher power that I believe there's a higher source. I believe everything in my life happens for a specific reason. This is why I'm here. I don't think my mind is or my brain is big enough to comprehend what all is going on. What I do know is that everything that's happened in my life has happened for a specific reason. Whether that being a higher being whether that being God, whether that be Butoh, I mean, I've studied every possible type of religion in the world. But I believe there is something else out there, there has to be. And and again, I don't know what that answer is it. It's hard for me to comprehend. It's hard for me to work my way through it. But what I do know is that I continue to do what I believe is the right thing to do. Everything always has worked its way out every single time in my life. It always has and always will. So when you talk about my spiritual for a specific, you know, white God on top of the cloud with a white beard, right, that's not my spirituality

Brandon Handley 31:58 now, but it sounds like you've got a There's a grand design greater great. There's got to be like a universal intelligence that has kind of a design aspect. Otherwise you would have driven off the road that night. Otherwise you wouldn't have made it home safely that one time. Otherwise, you know, I mean, I do

Jeremy Todd 32:17 know. Okay, so it's it's a tricky thing to think about. Because, you know, typically when you hear the word spiritual, you're on Jesus and God and then well, that's the thing is that my spirituality? I'm sorry. I mean, it's great. And I and I respect that. I respect all religions respect everybody, but it's just not what I believe I

Brandon Handley 32:36 was just not the one that speaks to you right now. Right. So

Jeremy Todd 32:40 yeah, no judgment, obviously. no judgment. Yeah. So

Brandon Handley 32:42 so for me more and more recently, right. It's come to kind of my attention, right that this, every one of these religions is just kind of a framework to the place where you've gotten to right now place where I've gotten to right now. So we've got a set of have potential instructions. If we were to arrive at this point in our lives right now and be like, I'm freaking out, man, I know there's something inside me it's coming out. I liken it to like being a seed to write like, our bodies are spiritual seeds, right? This is this cell right here, right? And that you know sounds to me too like again I'm just I'm just coming pulling shit on my butt but like it sounds to me like you know that that spirit within you is starting to on fertile right just like a C correct and a show and there's no stopping it right it's like it's like asphalt doesn't stop like a grass seed from cracking through it, right? Yeah, exactly. And so you've got like this you've got like this life energy right now that is just unfolding, and you're letting it unfold within you right now.

Jeremy Todd 33:49 Right? And you know, there I've also you know, looked into there's a lot of studies or a lot of free legends have said that, that there is no god we are all our own God. Our God is within ourselves. We have all greatness we all we are everything that we want to be in candy. We just have to access that and work our way through it. That's another thing that you know, again, maybe that's the answer.

Brandon Handley 34:12 So so I can help you out with this one. Right and you just just from personal experience, right. So I'm in, But to your point earlier to what degree like you know, like I like you know, I'm holding the wheel just in case, right I actually got this number right, right, right. But it actually Joe dispenza Oh no, I think it was rah rah Robin Sharma or Joe dispenza. I've got 210 minute pieces that I listen to all the time from both of those guys to send them to me. Absolutely man. So one of his like you if you rise to your level of thinking, Okay, okay. So, if you rise to your level of thinking and your current level thinking is that you are a human being What's your maximum potential? Right here? maximum potential is your whom human being potential, which sometimes seems limited. Okay with that, well, if God is everything or you know, is it even within me then there's something godlike within me, right? At least I'm attached to God somehow and I'm a part of that. Now I've got a different level of thinking. Right? Because now my being has changed. Right? Or, you know, again, you know, we can you can play with like, which beingness are you right now? Yeah. hanging out in divine being right. I salute the Divinity within you right now. mistake. Sure,

Unknown Speaker 35:40 sure. So,

Brandon Handley 35:42 if you're a divine being, then you also are willing to accept grace, which is divine strength, outside strength, right, and kind of so that changes your level of thinking, I look at everybody as a divine being, right. So can we agree more, if we've got that and that's my level. Thinking, what's to stop me?

Jeremy Todd 36:02 Nothing. So I mean yourself. I mean, your your, your ego? I mean, I don't know. I mean,

Unknown Speaker 36:08 if you let that go, I mean, that's all stuff, you gotta let go.

Jeremy Todd 36:11 There's no question. You know, I think it's all those things that that that continue to work on is letting that go. But it's not. It's not like hitting a switch. It's not like often, you know, it's a process. Yeah, it's, that's what I love about it.

Brandon Handley 36:22 It's a slow build, you know, it's just like anything else. This is kind of a you know, and you can change again, you're like, Alright, well, you know, ratchet that different thinking, but if you rise to your level of thinking, What are you thinking about yourself? Right? Again, I'll separate those two words. Sure. What are you thinking about yourself? Is that is that an XYZ nature if it you know, what, what nature of the self? Are you sure? Yeah,

Jeremy Todd 36:48 no, I get it. It's a tough topic to talk. I mean, I don't want to say it's even tough. It's just for me, it's just working my way through that mental process. And I think to myself, Well, imagine what you know, like Three years ago, you know where I'm at now versus three years ago, were just gonna be three years from now. I mean, man, it's just working your way through this and getting better and getting smarter and getting stronger, and getting more free. I just I just love I just love life, man. I love the love the journey. I love the conversations. I love the deep topics. I just miss what we're here for. Right? Bam. So, again, I

Brandon Handley 37:22 feel like that's kind of where you're at. Right? you're you're you're working on this kind of determining, yeah, who the self is right? And then like, how are you harnessing it right, you're stepping into your power and making that determination for yourself every day? Yeah, I mean, tell me like I'll place you. Where's the practical application for this for yourself? Like where someplace you've applied this like way of thinking.

Jeremy Todd 37:48 I did everything. I mean, literally, I literally I mean I go to work. I'm that weird guy. I do my podcast. I'm not different do as a parent. I think that's one of the most powerful places you can do. It is not get caught up with Like being you know, I'm not I'm not a guy that's gonna like, I guess parenting is different for me than a lot of other people that I see because I had these deep conversations with my kids. And I tell them that, hey, it doesn't matter what happened, you know, if you made a mistake, it's okay. It's not a mistake. It's a learning process. It's becoming the better person that you are. My kids are weird. And I love it. I love them for it weird to society. You know, they're weird. Yeah. But they're brilliant. They're smart. And we have these deep conversations. And that's probably the most important thing that I can push on to them is that you know that the power of who they are the power of what they look like the power of their, their selves. The more with kids getting beat down over social media, their friends, and we're talking to them about different stuff that other parents aren't talking to our kids about. They can deal with this every day and this is not an easy conversation for them either. But the more we have it, the more we understand that that is okay and the stronger they become at a younger age. I would you know, no disrespect to My parents, but I would never had these conversations with my kids when I was a kid. You know, it wasn't even thought

Brandon Handley 39:04 of you never had that conversation. different times. Right?

Jeremy Todd 39:07 Correct. But you know, hey imagine 30 years from now what are my kids gonna be look like by having these conversations now? Hopefully I'm around for but my kids are gonna be so much more well off more happier within themselves more comfortable with who they are, and not get caught up in the craziness. That is that is life. So, right. That's by far the number one thing by far

Brandon Handley 39:29 your parenting so your planet, you know, and your parenting life. This is

Jeremy Todd 39:32 weird parenting, though it's just different and not weird, or it's just different parenting different from what you grew up with. Right? Yeah, and as many people do, but man, I just think it's the most powerful thing you can do right now is to teach that to your children. about spirituality. What does it mean? What does it mean to them? What does it look like? What do they believe? And then not bashing them? Like, you know, I was born and raised Catholic. That's the that's the only way you thought was born, raised Catholic.

Unknown Speaker 39:54 Sure. Jesus died on the cross God blah, blah, blah,

Jeremy Todd 39:57 Heaven and Hell and all that good stuff. That was all Have you thought anything different? You were on Galston?

Unknown Speaker 40:03 Yeah. But what literally?

Jeremy Todd 40:05 Yeah, literally Yeah. Yeah. I mean, literally you were, I mean, kicked out of school, this kid, this kid's got something wrong with them. But in reality, that's not the case. And again, I think that's one of the most powerful things that that I'm doing right now. And, you know, the mother of my children does, we're on the same page for that, too. So it's great. I mean, it couldn't be any better right now.

Brandon Handley 40:24 That's cool. So just integrating it with your daily life is kind of how you're applying it practically. And

Jeremy Todd 40:30 yeah, you know, again, it's it's it's easier said than done. I know, but I'm doing so often. I love the reactions i get i give such different opinions on different topics in different situations that I don't care what anybody says, This is how I truly feel. This is my opinion. It's not right or wrong, right. But I may see something different than may open someone's up someone's eyes instead of falling in line. That's what we get to do. This is what this is, you know, going to church on Sunday. You're doing this you're doing it. Oh, I mean, I am and I support that to do your thing.

Brandon Handley 40:59 Well, yeah. Yeah, look man, like, like we said, Yeah, everybody's path is their own path. Right. Yeah. I think that that's I think that you know, when they created this country that was the pursuit of happiness right the the freedom was a religion was those things right was you know, hey listen this is a true thing. A lot of us Christians here but uh you know

Jeremy Todd 41:23 that now religion one of the greatest the constitution one of

Brandon Handley 41:26 the greatest things ever and I love it Listen man I think there was a powerful document right and i think that that's just another one of those things that we take for granted.

Jeremy Todd 41:33 Right? It is and it's freedom of speech freedom of I mean for women they carry handgun freedom, you name it freedom. I just love it because I can be who I am and we're very, very blessed. But what are the chances? This is another thing what are the chances of us being born in this country at this time out of any other country on any other planet in any other situation? I mean, how lucky and blessed are we?

Brandon Handley 41:56 Well, I think that that's a huge part of the story. huge part of the entire outlook Jeremy, what you're saying right there is that, you know, if you look at where you are, and everything you do is what I'm here to say is like as a miracle,

Unknown Speaker 42:11 it is miracle that we're blessed

Brandon Handley 42:14 right then. And could you could you imagine a better time in the anytime to become yourself?

Jeremy Todd 42:22 No, no. I mean, can you imagine me being born with a horse and carriage? I would have been dead 25 years ago. You could survive. You

Brandon Handley 42:31 know, I'll tell you, man, I know. I know. Definitely growing up. I did a lot of like things that, you know, I should have gotten my ass kicked for. But I definitely would have gotten a shot for like an 1800s type of thing. Like,

Jeremy Todd 42:42 I mean, exactly. I am so soft and so fragile. I would have no chance 100 years ago, but I wasn't I mean, but hey, even now, I could have been born in South America or North Korea or meat. I mean, you name the country. Well, you could be born anywhere but

Unknown Speaker 42:59 here it is. Man, I'm just

Brandon Handley 43:02 so blessed. I think it's a beautiful time, man. I think it's a beautiful time we're in so Brother, listen, I know. I mean, we always love catching up on loving hearing your journey and you know how you're just you know, loving on your spiritual self and you keep growing that right and you're leading with that. Tell me like yeah, listen, people never heard you before. So where should they go check you out? If you haven't heard me,

Jeremy Todd 43:23 come on, come on rapidly for obviously, you remember the positive side podcast. It's the positive side podcast. You check out the positive side podcast calm, but more importantly, just hop on the show. And again, the intentions of the show truly, truly, truly are just to just tell my random stories through life, the stuff that I struggle with, to share those messages to understand that hey, if you are struggling, you are going through these tough times. You're not alone and we're all going to get to this together. We're all going to get better we're all gonna get stronger. So that's the biggest thing. Or you can always email Jeremy Jeremy at Jeremy Todd COMM But then, more importantly, Brandon, I love this show. Man. This is like the perfect show for you. It's this is like you wheelhouse bro. I've just been a long time ago. That's

Unknown Speaker 44:04 right. I was afraid.

Unknown Speaker 44:06 Sure. I get

Brandon Handley 44:07 it. I was afraid. I was afraid. And but it's where I wanted to be, which is the funny thing, right. And so what's what's funny is that it is opened up but is blown up and opened up like the reception. Yeah. And so me just going and doing that thing that I was so afraid to do so many years ago. Self permission. Yeah. Yes. I mean, I think that you know, listen, if you made it to the end of the podcast, that was the message that you need to hear today, man, this is like, self permission. So Exactly. Alright guys. Thank you so much, Jeremy. And we'll chat next time. Oh, hell yeah,

Jeremy Todd 44:45 brother. Thank you.

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Unknown Speaker 0:01 What is going on? What's going on man? We are taking a quick walk that's you and I right now

Unknown Speaker 0:08 through

Unknown Speaker 0:10 local park.

Unknown Speaker 0:12 Just kidding, just gonna walk in the afternoon

Unknown Speaker 0:15 just taking some

Unknown Speaker 0:17 fresh air change of scenery. We have been inside of

Unknown Speaker 0:24 the quarantine zone right?

Unknown Speaker 0:26 of 2020 and

Unknown Speaker 0:29 sometimes just need to get out everything's fine.

Unknown Speaker 0:32 And everything's great.

Unknown Speaker 0:34 Except for you know, you're in the same place all the time. And I think I think that we all love I love change of scenery, right? I don't know about you, but I love change of scenery. But as as I've been doing this quarantine bit and spinning up spiritual dope, having some just just awesome. Really awesome. Some conversations with all kinds of people in the spirituality space

Unknown Speaker 1:08 in all spaces in general, really. And

Unknown Speaker 1:13 a couple conversations popped up one of them that popped up

Unknown Speaker 1:17 was this conversation of

Unknown Speaker 1:21 kind of

Unknown Speaker 1:22 knowing that you're gifted,

Unknown Speaker 1:24 right? And having that gift

Unknown Speaker 1:32 seemingly always be right out of

Unknown Speaker 1:33 reach.

Unknown Speaker 1:36 And I can I can relate to that one. Somebody had mentioned that one to me and, and I get it. There's this piece of you, that you are. You're always being told, hey, you know, you've got this specialness about you or perhaps one day, you know, you were like this and kind of as a child I always saw, you know, we're, we're in this kind of star seed, indigo child thing. I'm not sure how many of you guys are into that. But, you know,

Unknown Speaker 2:11 I'll throw this out there. We're kind of like in a hippie 2.0

Unknown Speaker 2:15 scenario here, right? And there's many of us that were,

Unknown Speaker 2:18 that grew up

Unknown Speaker 2:21 as a, you know, kind of us original Star seeds as it were, right? This is kind of where everybody ended up getting like sky or rain and meadow and, and, you know, some child or

Unknown Speaker 2:35 whatever.

Unknown Speaker 2:38 But

Unknown Speaker 2:40 you were always told that there was something special about you, and it's like, it's killing you because

Unknown Speaker 2:45 it's right there. You know, it's just,

Unknown Speaker 2:48 it's just on the other side, and it's like the outside of what you know. And if you've listened to

Unknown Speaker 2:55 the doors,

Unknown Speaker 2:57 I think that that's what he's talking about. Go ahead and bring onto the other side. And even then, you have this kind of experience where you touch on that greatness of kind of who you are and, and and what you're about. And

Unknown Speaker 3:19 it's fleeting

Unknown Speaker 3:21 for a moment because that's been

Unknown Speaker 3:24 my experience anyways. And you know, the second conversation that kind of came up was was kind of about

Unknown Speaker 3:31 psychedelics.

Unknown Speaker 3:35 Let me see if I saved the picture of the specific on the psychedelics piece, as I'm kind of trotting around out here, because I want to make sure that I touch on it. It was like was it psychedelics as just psychedelics, or was a psychedelics in certain use cases and so So for me, that was kind of like an interesting one because I just written something

Unknown Speaker 4:06 about

Unknown Speaker 4:09 psychedelics myself, right?

Unknown Speaker 4:11 And the deal is,

Unknown Speaker 4:13 I'm gonna, I'm gonna come at it from the perspective of can't find the piece right now. Um, you know,

Unknown Speaker 4:26 this is a, it's kind of like,

Unknown Speaker 4:29 it's kind of like anything else, right? anytime that you

Unknown Speaker 4:33 you take any drug for example, you know, you maybe use steroids to bolster up and bulk up, but like, you know, you stop taking them and then that kind of goes away or you use steroids or some other kind of, you know, enhancement drug. But then when it goes away, you know, you can't you can't function without it. Right or when you are on it, you know, you mute Or you kind of destroy other pieces about yourself?

Unknown Speaker 5:05 So it's, it's like,

Unknown Speaker 5:08 yes, it works for something. But it takes away from something else. And to me, you know, that kind of disrupts what kind of, you know, spiritual dope would be about right spiritual dope would be about

Unknown Speaker 5:24 how do you

Unknown Speaker 5:27 how do you access you know that? That kind of thing

Unknown Speaker 5:31 all the time.

Unknown Speaker 5:33 Right? How do you how do you access that the greatest parts of yourself without needing to rely on some type of external inducement, as it were, which is, and that's where kind of meditation comes into play, but the biggest, the biggest part about it is I'm just scoping out this weird little

Unknown Speaker 5:58 place here.

Unknown Speaker 6:05 So how do you how do you access the best of who you are, and bring that with you everywhere that you go

Unknown Speaker 6:14 without having to rely on something

Unknown Speaker 6:17 from the external, that's drugs, that's somebody else doing something because you said they needed to do it. That's, you know, in all times in all places, right? And to me, that's your inner self. That's your inner being. That is bringing all that you are being present in every moment. And sometimes that's hard, right? Like I said before, like, I've access parts of it, but not in all the time. state of mind. Right. I access it through meditation and And, you know, through through one kind of long term

Unknown Speaker 7:06 as a as a spoke about numinous experience

Unknown Speaker 7:09 and as far as you know as it relates

Unknown Speaker 7:13 to

Unknown Speaker 7:16 drugs and psychological

Unknown Speaker 7:20 pharmaceuticals, LSD, mushrooms, mescaline. weed, I mean, you know, of ecstasy, you know, any one of those, right? Any one of those that you touch on can bring you real similar experience. However, unless you're using it, quote unquote responsibly, you're generally using it just kind of like a as a as a place to go escape. And, and, to me, it also shows this just kind of like you're relying on something outside of you. Right and and when you when you do that when you when when the only way that you can feel that way comes with its own set of dangers, right? least I was listening to Terence McKenna give a speech the other day about smell st and how it restricts the blood flow to your brain and you know has potential to cause seizures and like, make sense. Go What do you say? Have I experienced that? Yes. You know, and you know, what is the risk worth it? It's a risk versus you know, worth the reward is at the time you say, Sure. Yeah, man, this is great. This is amazing. Whoo. But then there's other times too. So it's like if you use it responsibly in a responsible space, you're in the quote unquote right headspace because imagine you

Unknown Speaker 9:00 You already are

Unknown Speaker 9:02 in your own fucking head 10 2100 X that

Unknown Speaker 9:08 in your own head and then you're you're you're not in the right place mentally or you're not with the right people who can support your your trip,

Unknown Speaker 9:21 right your, your psychological

Unknown Speaker 9:26 assistance trip man like I mean, you want to call it expansion and you want to, you know, say this all these other things that are expansive, but really, you're just in your own fucking head

Unknown Speaker 9:36 and you're in real deep

Unknown Speaker 9:39 and you can have some bad experiences and they suck.

Unknown Speaker 9:43 They make like, you know,

Unknown Speaker 9:46 you know, imagine, you know, several hours of just feeling at your worst times 10 Okay, now, I'm not saying that you can't have these other experiences. They're super awesome and super nifty and and really just life life memorable, right you know things that you totally change perspectives and, and knit all these really cool blankets and covers i don't i don't know what the fuck you knit, but you knit them together tapestries of, you know, things that are woven. But it's still pales in total comparison

Unknown Speaker 10:35 to what is possible

Unknown Speaker 10:39 by

Unknown Speaker 10:39 your own creation

Unknown Speaker 10:43 without those drugs without the need for pharmaceuticals without I mean, now listen, I don't have a I don't have an iOS experience to give you. I don't have a pod experience to give, you know, I don't have you know, look, those maybe those are the ones that you dropped through the fog. So you're And you're

Unknown Speaker 11:02 right. And you hear stories like that?

Unknown Speaker 11:06 Is that an experience that you want to have?

Unknown Speaker 11:10 Is that an experience you want to have? You want to be dropped from the center of the earth? Do you want to be dropped from the center here? That's a great question. So a mom walking here, I've got a picture of just some amazing

Unknown Speaker 11:29 mushrooms, and this

Unknown Speaker 11:31 great, kind of

Unknown Speaker 11:33 three of them in a row here, spot. So, you know, what does it all mean? And how's that all break down? Those are just a couple of conversations that I've had this week that I thought that I would share with you as it relates to you know, spiritual dope.

Unknown Speaker 11:51 And then, and then finally,

Unknown Speaker 11:54 one of the other conversations got got me into listening to Carl Young's read book and it's really just a you know, I think a him

Unknown Speaker 12:05 you know,

Unknown Speaker 12:07 going through kind of I haven't finished it yet I don't I don't

Unknown Speaker 12:10 have any super

Unknown Speaker 12:14 deep knowledge about kind of where he was when he did it or what he was about. But

Unknown Speaker 12:21 you know, I

Unknown Speaker 12:23 recognize a lot of what he's saying. And and and and what he's talking about the mental space that he is

Unknown Speaker 12:32 the mental space that he is occupying and

Unknown Speaker 12:39 in that mental space

Unknown Speaker 12:42 he's uh

Unknown Speaker 12:45 you know, he talked he goes through his midlife crisis he goes through like his midlife and and what's funny is is he had done he finds it very similar way that I did is like you either kind of accept it and you dive fucking i mean do into it. And there's a lot of power in there or you resist it or you shut it down and you're like, Nah, that ain't for me. All right, and who does some people that's the way it is, right? You know, they get out it's literally the red, blue, red pill, blue pill. And then you know, once you take once you make a choice, there's really no kind of no going back as it were. So he goes, he goes deep in it. And the thing that I recognize with him is that he's coming through a mostly Western culture, right? I mean, look, he's in psychology, which is just brand fucking new. Listen, guys. I mean, for those of you who who have been to a psychologist, psychiatrist or anybody like that, let's let's, let's be honest, this is a this is a quote unquote, science of the mind. This hasn't existed for that long. 100 hundred years and change as you know, from young and, you know, Nietzsche and those guys and, and we put a lot of stock into something that that hasn't been around for a long time. And what happens is that, uh, you know, when you're developing something like that, your mind frame you can only you can only comment something from your own personal experience No matter how much you read, right and your own perception of something else, no matter what you read. So, you know, those spots and time that these guys make make their ascertain motions and, and claims, you know, they're based off of certain experiences and sometimes those don't always get revised. Right. You know, 20 years goes by and like on, like Madonna, for example, when she talks about how she was in her 20s and 30s versus when she grew up and got older. She's like, I don't know what I was thinking. I was just saying some stupid shit because I thought that's why I was supposed

Unknown Speaker 14:59 to Be right.

Unknown Speaker 15:03 And so young talks a little bit about like, just just being in a new space, just kind of handling the space from his own perceptions and experiences and from Western civilization. And as he is going through, he gets exposed

Unknown Speaker 15:19 to

Unknown Speaker 15:20 the the eaching I think he calls it like the yellow flower as well, which is one that I'm not familiar with, but he's also exposed to Kundalini and you know, the these spaces which which most Western society hadn't been exposed to, before and, and so when we,

Unknown Speaker 15:45 from society at large make these transitions

Unknown Speaker 15:49 into

Unknown Speaker 15:50 you know, this midlife crisis, crisis of identity and all this other stuff. And Wayne Dyer calls it like the the

Unknown Speaker 15:56 shift

Unknown Speaker 15:58 and we don't have a framework For we lose, you lose your fucking mind, right? Yeah. And if you lose your mind because you nobody talks about it because they're afraid to share it because they're afraid they're gonna be looked at in in with some side eye which is one of the reasons why it took so long for the red book to be published and share it out. Right there wasn't a space that the family was comfortable in was sharing, sharing it. And to me that's a great detriment because you know, the opportunity been there for so long.

Unknown Speaker 16:37 To let others know

Unknown Speaker 16:40 that it was okay to have these experiences. It was okay to be that lost in your own mind to have those.

Unknown Speaker 16:52 I don't know I'm not done with the book yet.

Unknown Speaker 16:54 But to go through that mental space to explore All of who you are, and and you know not necessarily just be trapped in the body in the in the vessel that you you know you kind of plod along in but you know, understanding and being deep in the mind deep in the psychosis and and understanding that once you you know dip your toe into that pool, it is infinite it is infinite, right it's a it's a pool, an infinite pool.

Unknown Speaker 17:28 I'm sure there's like, you know, some trademark and shit in there. But

Unknown Speaker 17:33 the thing is,

Unknown Speaker 17:35 I guess what I'm trying to share here is

Unknown Speaker 17:38 if you find yourself in that space

Unknown Speaker 17:41 you're not the first one.

Unknown Speaker 17:44 You won't be the last one.

Unknown Speaker 17:47 And if you find yourself in that space and you find yourself listen to this podcast and chances are you're in the right space.

Unknown Speaker 17:56 We're all kind of going you know that what's the what's the line? Right? Right. was fighting dragons or whatever? I'm trying to tame mine. I don't know, I don't know that right. I don't have the right terminology for it. Because it's all newer to me. And I'm still looking for the right language for myself to to share this out with but that being said, I wanted to share those pieces of conversations with a few of the people that I talked with, as it related to the podcast, you know, for if you are, if you're out there looking for your gift, and you can't seem to find it, stop looking outside. It definitely resides on the inside and you've already got it. It's just how do you want to use it? What does that look like for you? And you know, imagine that that gift that you've been told about has fully developed? What are you gonna do with it? And what's housing and what's So I kind of look like when it shows up in the world if you're if you're again if you're the beginning of this space and you're wondering if you should take the leap into it or away from it say fucking take the leap take the leap and do it there's there's kind of like the last frontier to this space is not the last frontier we are here living as human beings and we have no fucking clue how we got here we have no fucking clue you know, we know that the the bits and pieces that pump our blood and do all these other things, but

Unknown Speaker 19:37 where does that come from?

Unknown Speaker 19:40 Yeah, who what is that life that's making that happen for you. And you know, if you want that's something worth exploring to me. And that's something that we will continue to explore in this podcast and that's what we're going to continue to do is how do we once we find these bits and pieces within a How do we leverage them in our daily lives to to just, you know, have a more fulfilling, more powerful, more impactful life. Alright, that's it. We'll talk to you later.

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Brandon Handley 0:00 What is going on? How are you? How are you I figured we would do a little podcast from nature. Don't get out to too many awesome natural surroundings too often.

But today

I'm kind of ridge climbing

and

spider webs and gone through brushes

seeing cool scenery

awesome gorge here stream and you know took the time to

just come and spend some time with it

Unknown Speaker 0:50 today

Brandon Handley 0:52 it's available right it was available it is available spiders in my face part of nature. And, you know, what can we what can we kind of take a take a look at today today was one of the things that I thought of while I was

walking around here

was

the idea that the path kind of always opens up the path is always available.

And it always opens up for you.

Yeah, there's always that option.

And how does it open up? I mean,

so first you got to you got to kind of look got to be on the lookout. And you've got to want to go somewhere, right? You got to kind of have some kind of destination in mind, in order for the path to open up. Right, so maybe, as we've talked to you before,

once you make that decision Where do you want to go?

What do you Who do you want to see? Who do you want to be?

And, you know, sometimes it's making that decision on who it is you want to be or where you want to be today. For me, it was simple. I just wanted to get to a Oh, that's so simple. I guess I want to get to the perfect place to meditate today. I wanted to find a place that was in the streams that I could sit down and meditate.

And

as I will continue to walk, there would be openings in the path that just continue to kind of unfold as as I continue to look for the right spot for me to be And everywhere that I stepped that was something underneath and needed support it every every time I went forward

the footing was sure.

And I think that

oftentimes we

were afraid to take those steps we're afraid to make those decisions.

We've been told that

you know, you're not old enough I mean, there's customer comes from definitely comes from youth could come from could come from bosses

could come from people who who just don't

come to never believed in you and then, you know, so

Unknown Speaker 3:46 or

Brandon Handley 3:49 didn't kind of lend themselves to

allowing for a belief in you.

I guess I'll give you an idea. Example.

I remember I was working with one boss at a restaurant and you know, at some point he, man, beautiful Hawk. At one point, I forget why he was giving me read me the riot act. And, you know, he asked me, he says, How many people do you think there are? Just like you come in and take this position, it was like a bartender position. As a man, I guess, you know, plenty and you know, it's just to that degree, you know, he was like, you're replaceable.

And, you know, it was a super shitty feeling.

Obviously, right, it's just still sticking with me. After all these years, even though even though I know differently today

But but it's still but it's still kind of holding me back in

some places Oh my god, you

know that well anybody can do what I'm doing and fill whatever role that I'm doing and and you know what that that that that's what seizes up the path, right so you gotta you can't hold on to those things. You can't let those be the things that that hold you back because I mean those you've got a story like that i'm sure you've got somebody that's just Yeah, they push it so much they put you in your place they put you down. They're trying to anchor you to that spot. They want you to believe that whatever, whatever it is that they're giving you in that situation is a gift from them. And the gift really, from them is your ability to uh, to step up, step out of step away from that that's, you know, toxic it's It's, uh, you know, that's what the paths are open up. Past are so open up when you step away from that. And you find that there's so much more that's greater for you out there. You know, and it'll be years later and that person but yeah, I knew you were too good for this place. And, you know, I was just trying to force you out so that you could

find out who you really were.

And yeah, sure, yeah.

But the path will open up for you. path will open up for you and you'll find yourself just loving life that much more when you allow for the for the belief in yourself to occur for it to happen. And when you take that moment of courage in your life, and that's what it is. It's just a moment. All right. I think I made a post yesterday with Matt Damon saying it only takes 20 seconds of crazy Crazy courage

and for the world to open up for you. And

when you make that decision to embrace that for just 20 seconds, right? The whole world can open up the path will open up for you. Each step you take will be firm underneath your feet.

And who knows even if even if it's not

and you slip and you fall, it's what you find on the ground that on your path, it's just there's so much available for you. That if you just let go of all the things that you think that are not it's it's it's when that it opens up right, that's when you will see so much more and start looking for ways that is possible and Books, bugs and spider webs then then your path right your path that becomes something beautiful.

And, and in reading

you know, Carl Young's Red Book, you know, he talks about he goes,

he talks about his own path. And how it can't be like anybody else's it wouldn't be like anybody else's and, and you how you need to find your own path. And it can't be anybody else's you can find someone who started the clearing for you. Maybe you can establish that with somebody but your path is your path is your own. So sorry for meandering this morning, but we can look we covered we covered this finding your own path and being on it and having the courage to take steps to go to go on that journey. Alright, so establish that to make the decision to believe in yourself to let go of the story. Is that have that have held you back then have hold held you down and understand that when you take that opportunity and you take that one step encouraged you'll find that everything just opens up for you.

Alright, well that's been it from the

little, little nature. Nature climb here. Take it easy

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I had the amazing opportunity to connect with Anna Champagne, who is a Professional Fiber Artist, Designer and Color Healer creating vibrant and luxurious silk scarves, shawls, throws and custom fabrics. Each scarf is designed and hand-painted one-at-a-time by the Artist with dyes in beautiful uplifting colors.

Anna has degrees in textiles and interior design, and has trained extensively in the holistic healing field. She is the owner of A Path of Beauty and Anna Champagne Silks, hand painting luxurious silk scarves and shawls in vibrant, healing colors and enriching people's lives with her silks, inspirational writings, healing sessions and color healing course.

Her love and interest in textiles began at a young age. She has taught classes in weaving, computer- aided design, and Shibori, and now Color Healing.

Anna's work has been exhibited in galleries from Madison Avenue, NYC to Carmel, CA, and at high-end craft shows and holistic shows in New York, Boston, etc. Her earlier work is included in The Guild 4, A Sourcebook of American Crafts. She was the featured artist in Sarasota Magazine, 2006. And her article Color Healing: Using Color and Divine Wisdom to Enrich Our Lives, was published in Energy Magazine, May/June 2017.

"I create silks that surround people in beauty and the healing energy of color that nurtures, uplifts and inspires. Luxurious hand painted silk scarves, shawls, and throws that are as soft as rose petals and as harmonious and peaceful as being in a beautiful garden. Live a poetic life of beauty…Joie de Vivre in Silk!" Anna Champagne

Connect with Anna over at https://www.annachampagnesilks.com/

Interested in her silks? https://www.annachampagnesilks.com/

Anna also has a great course for those who are interested in color healing: http://www.annachampagnesilks.com/color-healing-course/

Brandon Handley 0:00 4321 Hey there spiritual dope. Thanks for joining me again today And today, we have Anna champagne. Joining us. Anna is a professional fiber artist, energy healer, teacher, author, designer and entrepreneur, owner of Anna champagne silks and a path of beauty. She has degrees in textiles and interior design as trained extensively in the holistic healing field, including emotion code, Body Code, and transformational breathing, and created color healing for a vibrant, abundant life energy healing system. And thanks so much for joining with us today.

Anna Champagne 0:41 Thanks, Brandon. It's great to be here. Just so you know, sauna. I like that.

Brandon Handley 0:49 Got it. Got it. Thanks. So now I'm gonna have to fix that throughout the entire way. I'm on a one of the things that I feel pretty strongly about is that When we communicate on these podcasts and when we have these conversations, there's somebody out there that needs to hear something through us and we're simply here as a you know, divine vessels call it what you will right? Call what you want but I think that somebody is tuned in today that needs to hear what from you like they need to hear this somebody needs to hear this what is it

Unknown Speaker 1:31 basically

Anna Champagne 1:34 that they're loved and that they can live a path of beauty You know, that's what I'm kind of live myself and share and and it just becomes a rich life and it really isn't spiritual or regular mundane or any of it. It's all one life. So the more we kind of, you know, just bring that all together and then it's really rich and colorful and beautiful.

Brandon Handley 1:58 I love it. I love it. So it's not that they're not segmented life pieces for you. It's all one holistic life.

Anna Champagne 2:06 Yeah. And I'm still like everyone, you know, feels deeply you know that. And I do agree with you what you're saying, because that was my prayer even before coming on. I said, you know, it's not about me, it's about you know, how I can touch someone or, you know, and I pray, can I say the words that someone is needing to hear tonight, so you know, so that was perfect.

Brandon Handley 2:29 I love it. I love it. Perfect. So, you know, it looks like we've got the right person on here. One thing I do want to touch on that I know we had a little precursor conversation, you know, I caught that you studied with like Gregg Braden, Byron, and some of these other people, you know, can be a little bit about that. Right? I love these are some people that are new, newer to my life, right, but I love them. What was like one of the favorite courses or someplace that you studied with that? That was exciting for you? Um,

Anna Champagne 2:58 oh, they're all wonderful. The path. Byron Katie was great. You know, I was a transformational breath facilitator and trainer, and this was the early days, but even before she became more famous, you know, she had written her first book. And we used to bring her, you know, to our trainings or to our city or even we had our first breath cruise, and we were doing breath work. And then we brought Katie along and she was teaching some things and then every night after dinner, you know, she would just show up and work with us. And, and to this day, whenever I see her, you know, and I haven't seen her in a while, but every time she says hello, Angel, and I just feel like she sees me. Fantastic.

Brandon Handley 3:39 Yeah. When you say we in that, what are you who's that inclusive of?

Anna Champagne 3:44 Um, that's when I was doing transformation breathing years ago,

Brandon Handley 3:50 okay, that's not something you're doing right now. So much of

Anna Champagne 3:52 it's it's part of me, but now I've kind of, you know, well, we'll get into it all what I'm doing, but I'm Kind of branding my own color healing system and silks and also right

Brandon Handley 4:05 right so I mean yeah that I mean that that is your that is your that is what I see you doing right now that's what you presented to me you're doing textile you're doing color healing. Oh you were introduced to me by our mutual friend Mark Youngblood as a color healer. I was super intrigued about that. While I read a little bit about what you have to say in there. You know, tell us a little bit about what color healing is.

Anna Champagne 4:30 Well, it's it's actually a vibrational energy healing modality. And, you know, I'm blessed to be able to as a fiber artist, I campaign on cilex campaign hand dye, and through decades of, you know, working with people and seeing what the silks do in their energy field and the specific colors like you know, like the ones I have on, I just come to see how the frequencies of light color work in our own hands. energy field and affect us and I especially work more in the emotional realm. Because, you know, of course, color affects us emotionally and as a sensitive an empath, and you know, as many people are there, you know, even people that don't think there was sensitive are, you know, so that's why color is just so important and impactful. And now when we consciously use it, we can really heal like old emotional patterns, we can raise our vibration, we can direct it for specific uses. So I'm really blessed that I get to, you know, paint and die and be immersed in color and then you know, share it with others and then and then teach it.

Brandon Handley 5:47 I love that. So the colors that you're wearing today, what are they? What do they bring to me vibrationally

Anna Champagne 5:53 Well, most people have heard of like Archangel Michael. And with my color healing system. It's based on like the rays of God. Consciousness so it's kind of a very spiritual at the core. And there's these divine qualities as embodied by the archangels and angels so most people have heard of Archangel Michael and we think protection but it's also focus and will and faith. And each Archangel has their divine feminine counterpart called an RPI. So with Archangel Michael it's archiv faith. So faith is a real tangible energy to so. So for me and also, you know, blues are healing you know, they're like water, they're calming. So for me doing something like this, you know, it keeps me a little focused and it's very calming to

Brandon Handley 6:44 fantastic. I'm glad I'm wearing blue then to stay focused a little bit. Right. Now, I love that you mentioned to like, you know, that you've got kind of this Archangel as part of your story. Right. Let's talk a little bit about that. Right. So how does how does how did you leave archangels and angels into your path.

Anna Champagne 7:03 I'm just on my spiritual path. I think I knew of Archangel Michael and things because I've been on my spiritual path most of my life and knew of Archangel Michael and especially when I was actually a young mother and this is before I got on my spiritual path about 20 years ago where I learned more in depth about the archangels and all and if anyone knows about that, you know, young mother new mother just worried and you know, and, and for me being an empath and sensitive you know, I would get like open to any thought of like any fearful thought I would feel it like so much through my body, it was just hard to deal with. So luckily, I knew of Archangel Michael and then when I started calling to them, I can actually help kind of smooth down and that anxiety and fear and then I came to help others, you know, help other, you know, mothers and just other people, you know, with that as well. And now over decades, you know, he's just, I can't I don't think any of us could really be here without Archangel Michael, whether you call him by name or now or anything here to

help us on the path,

Brandon Handley 8:12 you know, if somebody is not that's a terrible way to say Archangel Li, you know, aligned, what are some other kind of spiritual resonance that they might have? If so, like you said, if they don't know them is Archangel Michael, what else might they call him or that presence?

Unknown Speaker 8:34 Um,

Anna Champagne 8:36 I think a lot of people are aware of or interested in angels. And even when I was, you know, writing my first color healing article, and actually one of my other great mentors is Jacob Lieberman. He wrote light medicine of the future and take off your glasses and see and I studied with him, you know, years ago a lot and he's just one of my greatest mentors.

was I going with that?

Oh, so when I was writing the article, I wanted to create kind of an overview of things. And you know, didn't talk about the archangels too much because really color on its own and the frequencies of color can support us whether we, we connect with the angels or you know, call to them or use them consciously, but they are here to co create with us and help support us, right in a big way. And actually, my daughter who grew up with all this and you know, is just knows me the best, you know, at one point she says, Oh, Mom, you can't you can't take the angels out. That's your brand. That's who you are. You can't separate you from the angels. Nice. But I can you know, talk about color to just as we know, I

Brandon Handley 9:49 think I think that you know, my question was definitely more aligned to other spiritual modalities right of Archangel Michael right. So if if I'm coming Going from a shamanistic background or just some other type of esoteric background, right? What would you would you align it to something else in those spaces?

Anna Champagne 10:13 I wouldn't but people that don't have the wording might, you know, call them spirit guides or something like that? I don't really I'd like to be more specific with the as I know the different things but even you know, I have friends in shamanism and they also teach angels because it's just a different aspect of you know, frequencies and energies and you know, beings and all that so

Unknown Speaker 10:41 I appreciate that. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 10:42 like I said, I'm, I'm not well versed in angels, right. And so, but I do understand spirit guide, right. So you know, if if I'm running around and I'm trying to feel something and it's hard for me to again, mentally pull On an angel vibe, right right, then I might be able to pull on some others your spiritual guide God type of thing, right? So

Anna Champagne 11:07 the way that I could talk about it, you know, I did shows, you know,

body mind spirit, Whole Health, new life and boutique shows all kinds of things for many decades. And I would have like, you know, just all these soaks, you know, in my booth, and people would come in and I always want to empower people. So even if I knew like one that would be advantageous for them, I would always say, well, which color are you most drawn to? And then they would go and usually they would really go right to one that they would feel good in and they try it on and they feel something even if they thought you know, I don't I'm not sensitive or anything they they always are, they really can feel it and then I would put on another one that maybe was even a similar color. And they would go oh my goodness, I can tell the difference. Wow. Are they put on one that's really a contrast and what go wow, that feels even different. Sure, and then people can see that. So, really, for me, the key part is, you know, healing our trapped emotions and those emotional energies that are, you know, the sadness, grief. I mean, we're human. So we have all those things. But I know we feel better usually when it's joy and love and those kind of things. So when we take those things that are actually blocking our energy, they're not good or bad, but they can become trapped in blocker energy. So when we're healing that and then they have that flow of energy from God goddess, all that is whatever you call it, your higher self, you know, I call it my presence or that presence, so So when you're healing that and raising your vibration, my goal is really to help people connect with their highest wisdom and their highest self.

Unknown Speaker 12:51 So

Anna Champagne 12:53 and that's, that's really cool. I think most of you want to be most connected with

Brandon Handley 12:58 Sure, sure. I thought, you know, it's Because, you know, I was actually having this thought earlier that you said, you know, it's not necessarily about you, when you enter into the show, it's like kind of what can you do in service of but yeah, on it, it is about you, right? It is about you connecting with your highest self and just being in that space for a moment and just accepting that nobody needs anything from you, but you've got someone that you're willing to give. Right. You know, let's talk a little bit more about the angel part though, because they're, you know, like I said, I was able to listen to one podcast that you were interviewed on earlier and you've got this amazing, kind, amazing Angel story. Once you just kind of shares sure that part.

Anna Champagne 13:43 I do and I actually have my good old Angel book that I was actually visiting a friend I live in Florida now and I was in New England visiting friend and went to my car to get NINJA book and so Someone actually tried to kill me she was mentally unstable. I didn't know her, but she was known to people and, you know, without going into this story, but still someone tried to find me over with a car. Wow. And because of it, I was hit by the car. But as I was walking, I just was like looking down. And it's like, what's going on with my ankle or my leg, you know, and then before I knew, and I just was like, kind of falling or whatever, but really ended up hitting the ankle and shattered my ankle and foot and left leg and all that. And afterwards, I you know, and I've had, you know, surgeries, and I mean, it was, it was quite a karmic thing. Quite a big deal in my life and in a real healing journey that came from it. But when I asked friends like on my spiritual path, I said, How could this have happened, you know, I'm so devout are just so connected and spiritual. And they said, it's because of that, that the angel saved your life. Hmm. And I'm getting chills even telling you that because I just feel it's so true. And I vowed to all my healing journey to help people in whatever way I can what I learned through all the healing that I did through it, but they really did save my life.

Brandon Handley 15:18 I get it. So um, you know, you mentioned that you've been on the spiritual path pretty much your entire life. And so you already had this vibrational awareness right? You already had this holistic awareness and once you got involved with fabrics and colors, it wasn't a simple transition for you into the vibrational colors.

Anna Champagne 15:46 Well, yes and no, I mean, it was one of those being sensitive and you know, sometimes feeling really lonely even if a family are feeling different, as many people describe often and just Just getting into, you know, loving being in nature or writing poetry or doing things, you know, different things like that. And just just feeling like the search. So even when I was little, I would, you know, go to the library and search even when I was little for certain things, you know, along the way. So, so it's kind of just been a journey, like many people, you know, you know, pursue this pursue that, you know, learn about this, see how it feels, you know, and, and then just keep growing that way. So it wasn't, you know, and it's not like my parents were all conscious. And, you know, we grew up the main girl, and then that kind of thing. So they weren't holistic in the least, and they still aren't. But even through that, I realized through the years, especially as I'm learning things, and you're all excited to share with your family and help them and, you know, they're like, thank you, but you know, believe what you believe or not interested. Yeah, the greatest thing I learned, especially with my dad was The greatest thing we could do for healing for someone was to love them unconditionally. Sure. And it didn't matter. All those differences.

Brandon Handley 17:10 Right. Right. Now listen, I mean, when I first had, you know, what I would classify as an awakening experience, not wanting to run around, and I guess I guess that's, I guess that's kind of the whole the gospel part of the gospel thing. You've got to hear this good news. Why don't I tell them all about this? wait a year round? This

Unknown Speaker 17:28 is awesome. Um, and,

Brandon Handley 17:31 yeah, it's not everybody's path. Right? It's not everybody's path. But it's still it's, you know, I guess when you're vibing. So hard, right. It's like, What do you mean, you don't see it this way? And how can you not feel this way? And why wouldn't you go down this path? And like you said, it's when we just step back and love them, unconditionally? who they are the way they are right now. Yeah. can't do much more than that, right?

Anna Champagne 18:01 What's tills? True? And you know, to answer more of your question. I went to school for English and weaving because I started weaving when I was about 16. And I was always doing kind of crafts and things and knitting and crochet and all that because my mother grandmother, so even when I was in textile school, for my BFA in textiles and fiber, I, you know, I started then I actually painted on really fine silk threads and wove them into scarves and shawls and will wall pieces, please. And yet, I was still gathering, you know, all the spiritual books and I was starting to get some books on color and chakras and different things like that. But I didn't read most of them years later. And the reason I realized was because I had to kind of develop my own sense of it, of the color and kind of learn it from within a little bit more of the code. So one time I remember when I was you know, I I think I was starting to, you know, maybe it was after I was at a school. And I was just questioning, you know, that format of the scarves and shawls. And then I opened one of those books and it said, Yeah, you want to wear the silks over your throat and heart chakras and I'm like, okay, that's the answer. And you know, so I still kind of use that that form of the silks and the shawls I mean, the scarves in the shells

Brandon Handley 19:26 when you say that form the you mean by put it over your chakras?

Anna Champagne 19:31 Yeah, I was just in one of those color healing books. It kind of answered that that it's really advantageous a lot of times to where over your throat or your heart

Brandon Handley 19:40 Alright, so when you're when you're when you were starting your spiritual journey picking up all these books, what kind of books were you picking up? Like? What was what was the opening of the doors for you? I guess as it were,

Anna Champagne 19:53 um, there's been so many through the years I do collect wisdom

Brandon Handley 19:58 right right there in the beginning, right. So I mean, you're you're picking up all these books, you hadn't quite read them, but they were of interest to you

Anna Champagne 20:04 somewhere the color healing somewhere.

Well, even earlier, you know, when I was 16 I was meditating at a friend's house because her parents were into Edgar Casey, airy, and all that. So, you know, I had my first and then and then when we were in Boston, I actually, you know, my then husband and I, we went to his son or I think grandson, we went to a workshop and thing, were part of that for a while, and then it always comes full circle that I wasn't into it for years. And then I was, you know, going to some conferences a few years ago and even speaking at a conference and Kevin Tedeschi who's the, you know, the head guy at the Aerie now and wrote all the books on so he's kind of a friend now too. So it's so interesting and

yeah, it was it was all kinds of things.

Or they you know, I mean, sometimes it was healing some obscure things like fear of, like fears and aliens and you know like I remember with Gregg Braden, I've healed a big piece of that, you know?

Unknown Speaker 21:18 Tell me about that. Yeah. Yeah, that

Anna Champagne 21:21 was interesting. Um, it was funny because I was one of the last people at his you know, the workshop for that day and we were at this conference center or somewhere and I was like in a dorm and I remember we were talking it was years ago you know, decades ago when you know, he's gone through different things that he's taught Sure. And some of it was bringing up like so much fear about you know, the some of the alien you know energies and and they're all frequency now they're all different vibrations so and then my my roommate didn't show up so like all night I'm like, you know, all afraid this, you know, sheets up and I had to go deeper within and then and then through it. I just I really did heal it. And now I say, you know, the same aliens that are more than negative ones that, you know, maybe want to, you know harm or they're just a lower vibration. Sure they can't touch me anymore because it's so that was just part of like the healing on the journey that I went through. So now you know and then there's other ones like I heart, you know connect with the Pleiadians and then I do paintings that were pleading and writing so, so it was pretty diverse.

Brandon Handley 22:35 Interesting. I love that I love it. I love what you did there too with um, you know, translating harm into just recognizing that the third a lower vibration, right? It is not like I like that too. Right? So that that's interesting for sure. So you've been living this life fairly steeped in spirituality. All right. Yeah, and I can't remember now already, if we talked about the beginning or not, but like, integrating Yeah, we started at the beginning, but like integrating all the whole has certainly been a challenge for me. You know, trying to say, Oh, this is this is my spiritual self. This is what I do when I'm being spiritual. And this is what I do and, you know, all these other spaces. Can you talk a little bit about, you know, practical spiritual integration? Well, so, you know, what's that mean to you? If I say something I asked you that.

Anna Champagne 23:31 Yeah. Well, that's what I really love teaching and helping people with, you know, and I'm still going through it myself. I'm constantly hitting things that come up for me and then having, you know, using different tools to heal like some of the emotional patterns and things like that. But, um, I think it's just, I think one of the biggest thing is really healing being present to what comes up and not judging it. So You know, and that's what I learned especially from Katie you know, Byron Katie, you know, you take those judgments you take that anger you take that fear, you know, whatever it is and and then you investigate and then you can you know, go deeper and especially, you know when you you see it's just kind of a projection to like wearing me like I'm angry at that person but really, where's that pattern in me and then when you so so if you keep bringing it back to yourself in a gentle way because you never want to be hard on yourselves because like I know that pattern and right so it's, it's it's just and I have seen you you know, I watched your you know, your dad podcast thing or you know, whatever that was.

And even if you I mean, and I don't know you so well, you know, but

just the love that and just the the way you were showing up with your son I mean, I'm getting emotional because I was sent to and I was daughter but It touched me because you're just present. And you're asking him his experience. And then you're sweeping in a little, you know, teaching to be a good person or to

just just weaving in those nuggets of goodness,

Brandon Handley 25:16 you try, right? Well, you know, listen in here, you know, for what it's worth. You know, my mom was a, you know, so I was born in San Francisco in the late 70s. So, that's an indicator of where I came from. I always taught like, the awareness always taught, like these kind of life lessons. And they were definitely seeds, right, because they were, they were falling on fallow ground or whatever, whatever. And it wasn't until later, when they all just kind of sprouted and honestly, when I talked about going through that experience, kind of the awakening experience, it was like all at the same time, like everything she was talking about, just like, there it is. And so that's all you know, I feel like I can try and do with the kids right on my boys and just have those conversations. Not force it on them, but give them those seeds. Right. And, you know, if it's some I feel like at some point in their lives, though, they'll turn around and dust off will sprout up

Anna Champagne 26:12 exactly like with my son, he would, you know, like roll his eyes like I just want to be normal know, he's at times you know cutting out these little swords and you know things of and you know connecting with you know, he'll deny a lot of it now but you know, but he's such a good person you know, this really is so

Brandon Handley 26:33 well i think what we were saying earlier it's everyone's on their own path, right? I don't I mean, I don't think I have a Bible or have ever read more than the six pages in a Bible. But we can really try and do is be good shepherds, right of these souls or whatever. Um, but this is about you. So we're back to you now. And so what would be like a couple tools I love you gave kind of the one example is like look for that within yourself, right that's causing that or is a part of you? Right? What what, where's that irritation that's party? You know, I saw I saw a little line today that I really like to as it relates to emotions. I'd love to hear your feedback on this is there's emotional control. Right, which is I think a very Western actually I think every culture has emotional control, right? versus emotional expression. Mm hmm. How would you differentiate those two things because I feel like you would have a good, good way to do that.

Anna Champagne 27:33 I call it really a path of emotional mastery. Hmm. Because it's not just trying to control how you're feeling because the pattern will come up, you know, it'll just keep coming up until we deal with things. And now you know, globally where we've had an experience of something big happening globally, where we're going you know, sheltering in place home, you know, a lot of fear a lot of uncertainty on These kind of things, and I still just see it as, like the greatest gift because we can't bring in what I call a golden age without bringing to light those patterns. So it's not just about expression, you know, I think, you know, because we're always creating and we're always expressing whether it's expressing love or expressing anger, you know, or sadness, you know, it's expression but it's when it when we feel like that underlying like, we call it kind of miss qualified pattern. So like, say we haven't, oh, like, like, you know, say we have an experience and it's, you know, really overwhelming or traumatic or anything. And things get and we might not even know how to process it at the moment or deal with it. And then and but then it starts coloring everything we do in life. And then, but usually we can tell by how we're feeling, you know, if we're having Are were not so happy, that's usually an indicator how we're feeling and work with thing.

Brandon Handley 29:07 And that kind of addresses the, again expression versus control, like, because we were talking earlier too about, you know, locating that feeling, right? The anger or the frustration if we go to suppress that or redirect it, is that really healing it or addressing it? Right and and i think that that's, personally that's what I've done to try to emotionally master or control right redirect. But I feel like there's would be a another way to express that because I don't want to hold on to that energy like that. Right. So

Unknown Speaker 29:47 what would you say there?

Anna Champagne 29:50 You can tell by when you say go back to a memory that was really painful. And you know, so you did And this is where I say the violet ray you know of trance transformation transmutation, you know, taking that same God energy as I talked about, and then transmuting it like freeing up the, you know, whatever traumatic emotions are there, and then it's kind of at the core, and then we can recollect it or we can use it for what we want. And it really comes back to our intention to what we really want to create in our life. Yeah, so the stronger our positive intentions, those things will just naturally come up. And if it just ends, they'll just keep coming up until we like pay attention or we might get sick or, you know, just just so unhappy or whatever it is. So, but, but there's also a way to do it. It's good to just start being aware of what you're feeling or how you're feeling in your body. But another way to do it, too, is to keep focusing on the higher vibrational states or what you do want to create because that'll just automatically start in training up. It's just entrainment, you know, physics of training that lower vibrational state into that higher vibrational state. And that's kind of what I call a lot of the path of beauty or even, you know, working with those divine qualities. You can just and actually, that's another tool to you know, you can have a state and then do affirmations and crease, things like that you can actually raise the vibration of that pattern.

Brandon Handley 31:32 I like that. I like that.

Unknown Speaker 31:34 I feel like

Unknown Speaker 31:38 you know,

Brandon Handley 31:40 raising your vibrational state through affirmations, and gratitude. I think a lot of people look at that as purely mental exercise. What do you say to that?

Anna Champagne 31:56 It's not like we're using our mind because we're choosing to and it's what we're giving power to. So if we're saying you know, like I am the presence or I am you know, whatever we want to put after saying I am affirmation You know, there's you know, with the law of attraction, all that kind of stuff if you're if you're saying something that you don't believe then that'll even cause more resistance. You know, I'm a millionaire and you're you know, you got three cents in your bank account Well, that's gonna it's not gonna resonate, but if you can get in touch with the energy of it, you know, like it's it's feeling into it really. I think more so but but you do use your mind and your thoughts

Brandon Handley 32:43 talking to more about feeling into it, though.

Anna Champagne 32:51 I think it comes down to getting more harmonious no matter you know what color you're using, or what Whatever tool you're using, if you're still agitated, then it's not really working. So if you can feel more harmonious, calm, you know, the breath is a really important thing to kind of stop that fight or flight, you know, just using the breath, and then just start feeling more calm. Then, then when you say, when you say an affirmation or things something or, um, or want to access, you know, just want to just x more peacefulness or happiness or, you know, whatever it is it you'll just, it'll, you'll feel it. But you're not going to feel it if you're all agitated, you know. And so, you know, it's like, it's like the analogy of, you know, the parent who's got the baby, and they're just like, just come down Baby, you know, like they're, you know, I never can understand that. You know, But But I learned that you know, years ago so that's where we always taught the parents first, you know, read to become, you know, if you're lying with your child at night, you know, rubbing their backs as you're breathing. Because if you're all you know, stressful, they're going to feel it. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 34:19 One of the coolest feelings to write when you're going to sleep but I missed I missed the miss my kids you know when they're just growing up you can just kind of fall asleep with them on your chest right? Yeah, yeah, love that. Love that miss it. Like where they are now though. It's okay. So, you know, are you still traveling with your art shows? Are you still doing that? Like?

Anna Champagne 34:42 Nobody shows anymore? Sometimes by invitation, you know, a few things, but mostly I'm switching over online. Okay. And teaching courses online and things like that.

Brandon Handley 34:54 Right? When you were out of curiosity, right. So just for anybody that's kind of interested in The type of work that you're doing and would be thinking about doing it themselves. How would they kind of get involved in the community that you were involved with? With the art shows and textiles?

Anna Champagne 35:14 Well, it's really an art. I mean, it's decades of lifetimes Actually, I've done this in many lifetimes. It's, you know, um, it's going with what interests you, too, you know, I mean, mostly, I'm selling the silks that they're using, you know, in their meditations or just everyday wear or even you know, you know, that's why I sell a lot to men as well as women you know, to wear because they carry that tangible vibration. So it makes it easier to access those states and things. But, you know, sometimes I have taught some of the, you know, I used to teach weaving I used to teach shabari and which is a dyeing technique. You know, I do love, you know, doing a lot of that stuff. But, you know, an easy way is just watercolor paints or you know, even even coloring on dollars, you know, that can just get you in a, you know, working with color and with pencils or markers or things like that, or, or just even watercolor, you know, it doesn't even have to be a form. It could just be working with the paint like that if you're talking about doing something that's more artistic or

if that's what you're kind of asking.

Brandon Handley 36:33 That's definitely one part right kind of getting into the art itself, but the shows right? I'm sure you invited to him because you were great at what you were doing. But like also, if somebody else was like, what types of shows were you featured in so that somebody if they saw them, they'd be able to go and kind of find out more of themselves?

Anna Champagne 36:52 The shows, I mean, I was in the high end crashes when I first got out of college and was, you know, doing those handpainted handball Then Yeah. And then I had galleries around the country. And then when I got into still just painting on silks and doing like transformational breath work and being a trainer, then I was in like New York and Boston. I'm from New England. So I would do like Whole Health, new life, body mind spirit, you know, a lot of those kind of shows.

Brandon Handley 37:20 Okay. I've never heard of those shows before. So I mean, that's interesting. Yeah. And

Anna Champagne 37:24 it's still go on, um, you know, some of them anyway.

Brandon Handley 37:28 Yeah. That's interesting, too. I mean, I guess a New England part of, you know, what was the new age?

Unknown Speaker 37:35 birthing spot, right. I mean, am I wrong?

Anna Champagne 37:39 I don't know. I think California's where you grew up is pretty cool. I mean,

Brandon Handley 37:45 I think I think that, you know, I think of I'm trying to think of who was the press, you know, the press company that came out with the kind of the New Age movement, right, um,

Anna Champagne 37:57 dress or no,

Brandon Handley 37:59 I can't really remember off the top of my head, but it's just interesting to see that there's still a vibrant spiritual community from there, right in that space. So I think that that's pretty interesting. You did. So you mentioned you mentioned your course and your shops. I wanted to bring that up too. So talk to us a little bit about the the course offering that you have right now online.

Anna Champagne 38:20 Yeah, it's an eight week online course it's called color healing for a vibrant abundant life seven steps to heal what's holding you back and increase your flow of abundance and that's those kind of seven spiritual colors, you know, those rays and you actually get a set of seven, you know, solid color sticks with it, it needs you know, once a week for eight weeks, you know, an online student class and then you have a portal with the meditations, affirmations, you know, the class content you know, more you know, all of it, but it's really meant to be for busy people. You know, everyone's really busy in life and you don't i don't want to make this Like this heavy like something they just not do or else feel so overwhelmed. So that's what's cool about you know, with with the silks because you just wear them you know through the week like each week we're learning about one color. So like for example like the solid color you know we've got the golden yellow or you know pink or you know the blues violets you know these solid colors, and you wear them during class and wear them during your meditations and the meditations tend to be seven to nine minutes maybe and just get you in touch with the divine qualities even archangels but more of the divine qualities of the color and just get you and then wearing them. It helps you know to tangibly feel so it's because there's silk has the highest vibration of fiber. The very pure colors are frequencies and you know, if you think White is like all colors, you know, of light You know, ones additive and subtractive whether it's you know, crayons, or paints versus light, and then, you know, it's easy to think, you know, the prism and the rainbow, you know, it's broken up in those frequencies. Sure. So, um, yeah, so it's, it's really, it's, it's fun and it's, it's just a easy so going back to that, so the soaks have that highest vibration, and then the pure colors, those frequencies and then the energies that I'm kind of praying in or attending in. So that's what makes them where you can actually feel the energy. So it's an added tool to be able to wear them and start feeling the energies as you're as you're learning them

Brandon Handley 40:50 about them. I mean, I love that right? Because I can I can feel the application right? You know, I can I can I can sense I get a good sense of have kind of how you would direct that. And I feel like that would be, that would be like it's beneficial, right? Anytime he's been, I think consciously tending to your vibrations. that's beneficial. So it sounds to me like that's kind of what you're doing is teaching people how to pay attention to their vibrations, right at what levels and then being able to associate them with specific colors, right, so that they can really just kind of hone in and have an anchor point.

Anna Champagne 41:29 Right. So like, even with the emotion code, say we identify a trapped emotion, say it's grief. And it happened when you were 13. You know, and then, you know, we get shifted, but then you know, we'll put like a soft pink silk over and that'll like raise the vibration. So it's still really key for me to be healing those emotional patterns that are kind of blocking that flow of energy.

Brandon Handley 41:52 So would you classify this more of a healing class? Yeah. Okay. I mean, I mean, look, that's great. Yeah. I mean I love it because it might just be a guy thing right? Or you know could just be a me thing I've never really kind of addressed this one but like you know we were taught to like you know, you fall down you dust off and you keep on going forward you know you don't really address the specific pains you just move forward you don't address the specific moments that cause you to no question 90% of your life you just keep moving forward right but if you do take a little bit of time and and heal those moments

Anna Champagne 42:33 and you know, a lot of men do this, you know, as a spiritual path to I mean, a lot of men do have my silks too because they wear them for meditation. Tell me what are some favorite main colors? I mean,

Brandon Handley 42:41 other than blue, what are some what are some what are some main colors?

Anna Champagne 42:45 Some are the those turquoise is in blues and violets some sometimes, you know more the emerald green, but actually one of my first soaps that I made like decades ago when I'm My first shows ever did with them. There was this just big guy you know and he he got the most feminine so good made to that point with yell, you know pinks and yellows and actually I have a great story about that I was at a show one time, and a guy came and usually like I do have like these, um, you know, you might be able to see they have a pattern woven in there to card. And whereas like the this is just a sharp use, it's like smooth. So, you know, mostly guys tend to like the sharp use a smoother one, you know, because these can be a little more feminine. But there was a guy that he bought one that was in like a rose pain to fuchsia to a little violet, maybe maybe a little blue, and it was in a de card. And it was a very kind of, you know, society.

Unknown Speaker 43:55 You weren't expecting him to pick it up.

Anna Champagne 43:58 Yeah, but once you put it out And he had lost like, the love of his life. He lost his wife not too long before that, and he started to feel the energy. Right. And it started to heal with that pink. So he hung around the booth a lot and you know, just shared about his wife and you know, started the healing. But others, you know, like, I have a friend that commissioned some of the biggest like, meditation blankets, you know, they're huge. Um, and I do a half version that's like a meditation shawl. And this friend has a spiritual path and master and he meditates you know, many hours a day and he calls it like an energetic cocoon because that's another thing I didn't mention. It actually silk energetically insulates you too. And when you meditate in you know, certain colors. So, you know, it's, um, I was interviewed the other day and the guy was all wearing his pink shirt and stuff. So you know, it's time for the guys to be able to flame boy Right.

Brandon Handley 45:00 Yeah, look, look, look, I mean, everybody can wear some colors and enjoy for sure. So, in your class, I'm just gonna you talk about like intentions, positive qualities and emotions. You've got some guided journaling, meditations, affirmations, you know, what types of answers, I'm just gonna kind of what types of meditations Could I look at in that class.

Anna Champagne 45:23 They're, like I was saying there, they tend to be seven to nine minutes, I keep them fairly short, you know, growing into more of the meditations, but they're just meant to, um, interest introduce you to the colors, the qualities just kind of get in, and then they bring in some of the affirmations that you can use so it's, it's kind of like a guided one to educate you. And so that you can use it as a tool. So you know, something happens and you need to just use a certain color call us or an angel or whatever it is. You kind of have those tools and another and another, like, practical way to it doesn't have to be all about the silks although that is, you know, a big part of what I do Sure, like the Emerald Ray, it's all like think nature, you know, think the Verdun greens and, you know, it's getting big now doing earthing and you know, just

Brandon Handley 46:19 tell me about everything. I have no idea.

Anna Champagne 46:21 Oh, that's a great thing for people to know about, you know, I mean, think back on wood, barefoot as kids and running around in the summer, I mean, sure, you know, but beyond that, they've they've actually found that by connecting with the resonance of the earth, hmm, that it calms our nervous system and it decreases inflammation and does a lot of things like that. So I mean, they even have earthing mats and blankets and things you can have with, you know, your

Brandon Handley 46:50 did see an earthing mat, right. So I was kind of curious about that, but I hadn't hadn't really linked it to I wasn't sure what the whole thing was. I hadn't gone too far into it. So the meditation They are, you know, to, to kind of impress upon the mind and give you, you know, pause the color modalities, right, tie that in with some affirmations. And I'm assuming the intentions kind of pull that all together as well.

Anna Champagne 47:19 Yeah, and and, you know, like, white white rays associated with like intentions, like, you know, white is like all the colors so it's all possibilities and all potential. So think of like when we have an intention where we're impressing into that purity of just all possibilities. I love it also clarity, you know, because a lot of times we need clarity to be able to have an intention. We have to

Brandon Handley 47:48 know clarity you listen, I mean, and that I think that's one of the challenges, right? You can't see two pictures at the same time, right? You can't You can't you know, you can't so you can't hold two pictures in your in your mind. Expect to clear outcome. Fair. Right. Guided journaling. I've never heard of doing guided journaling before. So, you know, what we get what we get in that?

Anna Champagne 48:11 Oh, I think it's, it's just a process of getting, you know, things might start coming up and you want to just write about it just as you would journaling when I asked some questions, you know, or how do you feel about certain colors? Or how do you feel about the certain emotions, you know, because that's the other thing. Say you have fascination, then an antidote to get motivation is like glue, say, okay, so you can, you know, just so like one one way of through that healing journey, because you know, it's it's good to be able to, you know, write down things if people choose to and process how they're feeling and what's coming up or, or what they're experiencing, you know, and also to remember, not just what's coming up, like maybe some past things But also what they're experiencing because as we know, when we write it down, you know, a lot of times, especially those spiritual highs or things like that, it's like a dream, we kind of can forget about it, you know, so, so it's just guiding people with questions and things to you know, use how they want really, but like one student, she, when she got her set of silks there was Ruby was one of the colors and it actually made her angry, it agitated her, you know, because it was a kind of a red but it has more violet in it. And then in her journey of, you know, healing and growing and all that and by the end, she was wanting to find a color for her new office. And she ended up painting it this Ruby like luckily it was just one wall because that could be a lot, you know, sure in all the walls but but you know, there again, you know, when she was putting out there They're to our group and things. You know, in our Facebook group, it's like, What color? What color? Do you think I should you know, and always, I never want to tell someone, I want them to find it themselves. And it surprised me. And by the end, Ruby was so empowering for her. And she had come through so much to be able to speak our truth and heal some things and be empowered. And that's part of the Ruby quality to have this, like this laser beam of God. You know, that just those patterns that we can get stuck in, but then when we heal it, it's really empowering. So

Brandon Handley 50:34 I love that. I love that. Absolutely. And then and then, like you said, two archangels are a big part of of everything that you do, but they're also part of the class that you teach. Right?

Anna Champagne 50:48 Yeah. And I've been surprised because people, a lot of people don't know too much about the angels, angels, and they've really been loving hearing about them and learning and using them. So

So that's been the feedback so far.

Brandon Handley 51:02 I mean, I love I love that you're doing that. And just curious why you're surprised by

Unknown Speaker 51:11 that there.

Anna Champagne 51:14 I don't know, I guess because I just have lived with them so long that I just, you know, sometimes we take it for granted what we do know and things like that and, and a lot of the people I know, know of them, but, uh, yeah, I guess I've just been happy that they've really because I never want to push any like anything on anybody I want to, you know, it's part of the course. It's, it's, at first I wasn't sure how much it was going to be part of it. But then it's like, it's just so tied in, you know, with those divine qualities and, and the way that archangels work is you know, so you call to them for more compassion or more empowerment or motivation or killing truth. You know, abundance. They literally that's what their job is that they resonate at that specific frequency of that divine quality. And then they literally when they're asked to come because they have to be asked, they'll come and really stand right in your energy field and reinforce that pattern until you can kind of hold it for yourself. So they're really helpful.

Unknown Speaker 52:30 I love it. No.

Unknown Speaker 52:33 And I think that you hit on one of the things there. I know for me,

Brandon Handley 52:39 I'm so used to my own language, right? I'm so used to what I speak, and I'm surrounded by people that, you know, it's not an echo chamber, but they understand me, right? It's like, Oh, well, you know, there's like, 20 of us here and all 20 of us know the same thing. So pretty sure everybody knows that. We tend to forget just how long it took us to get to this place right away. And then you know, like today, right? You're telling me about these. I'm taking notes. I'm like angels and you know, Archangel books, what would be what would be, you know? And since I'm saying that will be a book where somebody could kind of understand a little bit more about archangels and what you're talking about, they're calling them and seeing that vibration or feeling that vibration,

Anna Champagne 53:22 do you have anything I'm working on the color healing book. Not withstanding, actually, this this book of the angels of love and light. My friend, Mario's Michael George wrote, or painted all the paintings and I actually got permission from him to use the images in my course and in my lectures and things nice. So on his website, which is my reuse, fine art calm, you can actually download for free you know, if you sign up for his email list, but he's very generous. You can actually download the book And I, you know, offered to my students, I tell them about it. And I think one of them said that it didn't come with the color photograph. So then you know, he has those that you can buy of these amazing artworks that he does. So that that's, that's a great book. Because there's, you know, there's different ones out there and they might have you know, different energies that they're, they're different, you know, there's different systems, there's different energy, so it's good to just kind of feel it out. Because if something doesn't feel right, with any book that you go to, there's just something that doesn't feel right. No, that that's just there's something in it that maybe isn't right for you. So

Brandon Handley 54:43 that's fair. So you know, but there are books out there then that if somebody were to be interested in what you're talking about, I could definitely talk to it and you know, if they continue to be interested in the archangels and the colors and you know, they should head on over to your course. While we go ahead and mentioned your wedding go, they go to the course and where's they gonna find you to connect with you and other places?

Anna Champagne 55:10 Yep. Well, one of my websites is a path of beauty.com. And that has my blog. And so we talked about color and, and you know, nature and flowers are a big part of it too, you know, because there is such an energy and there's actually in shamanism you know, the Devas and all of the plants and the flowers are really a four kind of an angel, you know? So, um, so I spent a lot of time there. And so yeah, so I take photographs, and that's just another one of my joys of what I do. And that has a lot of the Healing Sessions different things and then on a champagne soaks calm is where you can find a lot more of my soaks. And then right now, to find out about the core It's on a champagne soaks.com slash color dash healing dash course

Brandon Handley 56:10 awesome thank you and they can find you on Facebook and oh yeah so you're on all the social media and a champion

Anna Champagne 56:18 some more than others but you know what we all have to find our way

Brandon Handley 56:22 Sure. Sure. And your site I think is pat the beauty or the is that your garden I see a lot of flower pictures of that

Anna Champagne 56:31 my travels because I travel all over everywhere I go I

you know, visit beautiful gardens if they're not my own,

Brandon Handley 56:39 know that they're, they're beautiful. They are beautiful, beautiful flowers and beautiful pictures on there. So thanks for sharing those with us as well. Is there anything else that you think that we should hit on that maybe we didn't today um

Anna Champagne 56:53 just to just to be gentle with yourself, you know, with ourselves with all you know me too, because I can Be hard of myself to, and, and just keep healing so that you can find the love and respect for others because, you know, a lot of things are coming up in the world that are very divided. And, you know, this and that and, and, you know, it's just time that we heal what's causing the discord in the separation. And you know, and the beauty of it too is we're all individual presences. So it's not ever going to be like boring or we're all going to be the same because that's impossible. You know, it's like a flowers in a garden. So, so, um, and that's what I call a path of beauty just just living from that, you know, beautiful place.

Brandon Handley 57:47 Sure. You mentioned you know, before we go here, you mentioned a hand plants is kind of crazy right now. If you could take one silk color and wrap it all up which color would we what color How would we heal the planet with today?

Anna Champagne 58:01 Oh boy, I could go through

Well, it needs a lot of violet for that transforming, you know, transmuting those patterns but Emerald is very soothing and very healing So, and then always the pink Ray, you know is is that unconditional love? Do you want to have some yellow in there too for that wisdom? I love and of course blue. You can't do it without Archangel Michael protecting us all in our path. So for Sorry,

Brandon Handley 58:36 I couldn't say one. can't just pick one. I get it. It's okay. It's okay. The world needs them. All right. So, Anna, thank you, Ana. Ana, thank you so much for hanging out with me today and sharing your story and sharing some really great insights and practical applications. I really appreciate it.

Anna Champagne 58:54 Well, thank you so much. I really enjoyed spending time with you and I really appreciate it and Yeah

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Unknown Speaker 11:02 right. And you hear stories like that?

Unknown Speaker 11:06 Is that an experience that you want to have?

Unknown Speaker 11:10 Is that an experience you want to have? You want to be dropped from the center of the earth? Do you want to be dropped from the center here? That's a great question. So a mom walking here, I've got a picture of just some amazing

Unknown Speaker 11:29 mushrooms, and this

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Unknown Speaker 11:33 three of them in a row here, spot. So, you know, what does it all mean? And how's that all break down? Those are just a couple of conversations that I've had this week that I thought that I would share with you as it relates to you know, spiritual dope.

Unknown Speaker 11:51 And then, and then finally,

Unknown Speaker 11:54 one of the other conversations got got me into listening to Carl Young's read book and it's really just a you know, I think a him

Unknown Speaker 12:05 you know,

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Unknown Speaker 12:10 have any super

Unknown Speaker 12:14 deep knowledge about kind of where he was when he did it or what he was about. But

Unknown Speaker 12:21 you know, I

Unknown Speaker 12:23 recognize a lot of what he's saying. And and and and what he's talking about the mental space that he is

Unknown Speaker 12:32 the mental space that he is occupying and

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Unknown Speaker 12:45 you know, he talked he goes through his midlife crisis he goes through like his midlife and and what's funny is is he had done he finds it very similar way that I did is like you either kind of accept it and you dive fucking i mean do into it. And there's a lot of power in there or you resist it or you shut it down and you're like, Nah, that ain't for me. All right, and who does some people that's the way it is, right? You know, they get out it's literally the red, blue, red pill, blue pill. And then you know, once you take once you make a choice, there's really no kind of no going back as it were. So he goes, he goes deep in it. And the thing that I recognize with him is that he's coming through a mostly Western culture, right? I mean, look, he's in psychology, which is just brand fucking new. Listen, guys. I mean, for those of you who who have been to a psychologist, psychiatrist or anybody like that, let's let's, let's be honest, this is a this is a quote unquote, science of the mind. This hasn't existed for that long. 100 hundred years and change as you know, from young and, you know, Nietzsche and those guys and, and we put a lot of stock into something that that hasn't been around for a long time. And what happens is that, uh, you know, when you're developing something like that, your mind frame you can only you can only comment something from your own personal experience No matter how much you read, right and your own perception of something else, no matter what you read. So, you know, those spots and time that these guys make make their ascertain motions and, and claims, you know, they're based off of certain experiences and sometimes those don't always get revised. Right. You know, 20 years goes by and like on, like Madonna, for example, when she talks about how she was in her 20s and 30s versus when she grew up and got older. She's like, I don't know what I was thinking. I was just saying some stupid shit because I thought that's why I was supposed

Unknown Speaker 14:59 to Be right.

Unknown Speaker 15:03 And so young talks a little bit about like, just just being in a new space, just kind of handling the space from his own perceptions and experiences and from Western civilization. And as he is going through, he gets exposed

Unknown Speaker 15:19 to

Unknown Speaker 15:20 the the eaching I think he calls it like the yellow flower as well, which is one that I'm not familiar with, but he's also exposed to Kundalini and you know, the these spaces which which most Western society hadn't been exposed to, before and, and so when we,

Unknown Speaker 15:45 from society at large make these transitions

Unknown Speaker 15:49 into

Unknown Speaker 15:50 you know, this midlife crisis, crisis of identity and all this other stuff. And Wayne Dyer calls it like the the

Unknown Speaker 15:56 shift

Unknown Speaker 15:58 and we don't have a framework For we lose, you lose your fucking mind, right? Yeah. And if you lose your mind because you nobody talks about it because they're afraid to share it because they're afraid they're gonna be looked at in in with some side eye which is one of the reasons why it took so long for the red book to be published and share it out. Right there wasn't a space that the family was comfortable in was sharing, sharing it. And to me that's a great detriment because you know, the opportunity been there for so long.

Unknown Speaker 16:37 To let others know

Unknown Speaker 16:40 that it was okay to have these experiences. It was okay to be that lost in your own mind to have those.

Unknown Speaker 16:52 I don't know I'm not done with the book yet.

Unknown Speaker 16:54 But to go through that mental space to explore All of who you are, and and you know not necessarily just be trapped in the body in the in the vessel that you you know you kind of plod along in but you know, understanding and being deep in the mind deep in the psychosis and and understanding that once you you know dip your toe into that pool, it is infinite it is infinite, right it's a it's a pool, an infinite pool.

Unknown Speaker 17:28 I'm sure there's like, you know, some trademark and shit in there. But

Unknown Speaker 17:33 the thing is,

Unknown Speaker 17:35 I guess what I'm trying to share here is

Unknown Speaker 17:38 if you find yourself in that space

Unknown Speaker 17:41 you're not the first one.

Unknown Speaker 17:44 You won't be the last one.

Unknown Speaker 17:47 And if you find yourself in that space and you find yourself listen to this podcast and chances are you're in the right space.

Unknown Speaker 17:56 We're all kind of going you know that what's the what's the line? Right? Right. was fighting dragons or whatever? I'm trying to tame mine. I don't know, I don't know that right. I don't have the right terminology for it. Because it's all newer to me. And I'm still looking for the right language for myself to to share this out with but that being said, I wanted to share those pieces of conversations with a few of the people that I talked with, as it related to the podcast, you know, for if you are, if you're out there looking for your gift, and you can't seem to find it, stop looking outside. It definitely resides on the inside and you've already got it. It's just how do you want to use it? What does that look like for you? And you know, imagine that that gift that you've been told about has fully developed? What are you gonna do with it? And what's housing and what's So I kind of look like when it shows up in the world if you're if you're again if you're the beginning of this space and you're wondering if you should take the leap into it or away from it say fucking take the leap take the leap and do it there's there's kind of like the last frontier to this space is not the last frontier we are here living as human beings and we have no fucking clue how we got here we have no fucking clue you know, we know that the the bits and pieces that pump our blood and do all these other things, but

Unknown Speaker 19:37 where does that come from?

Unknown Speaker 19:40 Yeah, who what is that life that's making that happen for you. And you know, if you want that's something worth exploring to me. And that's something that we will continue to explore in this podcast and that's what we're going to continue to do is how do we once we find these bits and pieces within a How do we leverage them in our daily lives to to just, you know, have a more fulfilling, more powerful, more impactful life. Alright, that's it. We'll talk to you later.

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Brandon Handley 0:00 4321 Hey there podcast land thanks for tuning in. We are taking another hit a spiritual dope and today I've got Jeremy snowed and joining me He is a dad, a granddad friend and men's mentor. He finds fulfillment being a resource a community connector. He runs a men's growth and development group Hero's Journey men's online discussion circle, and host a biannual man's three days meetup. He spends his free time discovering life hacks, physical movement and mindfulness practices. Jeremy, thanks for joining me today. What's going on? What's up?

Jeremy Snowden 0:38 What's up? Thanks so much for the invitation, man. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 0:41 yeah, I don't it was like, it was kind of like, it was a no brainer. You know, it was like, you know, we we've crossed paths, Facebook paths so many times, right. When I spun this up, I was like, you won't point so just you're kind of like a brother, brother from another mother right type of thing. Cuz, like, I think we're the same people. Right. Right. And and and the more we have these conversations, the more we kind of find that that's true. You and I were just talking before this about a mutual, you know, mentor that we found online. Eddie Bryant, right, who's doing who's doing some stuff. And you mentioned I just discovered on the week before, so I was like, this is just, yeah, it's fun. It's fun. And it's funny. So before we even get started, man, so before we even get started, I feel like I feel like we're kind of like, we're conduits for the creative energies forces in the universe, right? Yeah. And we're put together right now on this podcast, to speak to somebody. Right? And somebody needs to hear this, and it needs to come from you. What is it?

Unknown Speaker 1:51 Man?

Jeremy Snowden 1:52 Okay, so Wow, right on the spot, did you Okay, so

I think more than anything else

For me if I was if I was looking at the person that needs to hear this you are a human being not a human doing you know there's more to you than you know that you're at then you're aware of

and just fully embody yourself No

I think that would be a good

Brandon Handley 2:24 I love it. I love it man right i mean you're you're you're a human being not a human doing we get so caught up. Gosh, reactivity, right all the activity although RUN RUN, RUN doo doo doo I got to be productive man. If I'm not productive, they're gonna kick me off the team.

Jeremy Snowden 2:42 Right? The pressure and the stress? Yeah,

Brandon Handley 2:45 yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So I love it. I love it. You're a human being.

Unknown Speaker 2:51 And I think the other thing is,

Brandon Handley 2:53 knowing yourself right? And when you get into this kind of the spiritual realm and And you're you're getting into all these different involve with all these different groups. Excuse me. And these conversations, the word self can take on a number of connotations, right? Come on, what do you got? So tell me what you know. So, I'll give you an example of something that I saw this morning. And it actually had to do kind of like Maslow's law, right? hierarchy of needs. And when you get to the top there, it's self expression, self actualization. Ah, true. So, I mean, you know, if I asked you what that meant to you to basically that's the pinnacle, self expression, Self Realization, what does that mean? Right?

Jeremy Snowden 3:42 Wow, that's deep. For me, I guess it is finding experiences where I can be the observer, so that I can see myself clearly, you know, so depression in a wave of just that one the day that you just don't want to get out of That it just feels like your blanket is concrete, you know? And you can't explain it or anything. And so I have to, I call it father myself or, you know, work within my higher self, if you will. And almost to put my hand on my shoulder, if you will, and say, Hey, I know what you're feeling. Yeah. It's almost like it's two separate people or, you know, like my tradition. It's you know, you're a tripartite three part being spirit soul body, you have a spirit, you know, or I'm sorry, you are spirit you live in, you know, you have a soul you live in a body, you know, and now it seems like it's probably more complex and yet more simple. It's just but at any point, it's just seeing myself in those feelings, I can feel this I'm not those feelings. Right. But I you know, I can resonate with those feelings. Who's the it does that that's me. You know, you talk to yourself. A couple of days ago, I was like, let's have pizza and I was like, Who's let's

Brandon Handley 5:06 good idea for us to go get these things together. And that's great though I was just I was just listening to a book this morning actually. It's called mastering your emotions and the exercises in there is is what you just talked about, right? One of those is very powerful exercise you you see you see this observer exercise actually happen a

Unknown Speaker 5:26 lot in NLP, right? I'm not

Brandon Handley 5:29 sure yet, right. So it's the same thing you you, you You see, first of all, you're already here right? But if you can remove yourself one or two or three times and see that situation just like you said, you know you're in that better fathering yourself. I love that because you know, as a father, you know what that means by you. Put your hand on on your shoulder, and you're going to walk yourself out there with comfort and care and say, Hey, Paul, we got this we got right. And we're gonna go face this, whatever it is. Absolutely. Right. Yeah, love that the concrete blanket man that made me feel I felt it. I felt that corps right. Yeah, man. So, you know, my tradition is what what is your tradition? Because you said my in my tradition,

Jeremy Snowden 6:11 right? My historically if you will, first time I make the distinction between religion and spirituality, right. I'm not religious, I'm spiritual.

Brandon Handley 6:20 Yeah, show Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 6:21 Right. Yeah. But at the same time, it was, you know, growing up in up drew up in a Christian environment, if you will, okay. And everything was about hierarchies, structures and pecking orders. It just life in general. You know, like, who makes the most money who's the cutest who's the tallest, the smartest, prettiest? Sure. Um, you know, and just that, that linear thinking like that. And so, for me, breaking out of that, I don't know if this is the proper time to talk about that or not, but basically just I was, you know, a very Launch Bible believer in you know, born again Christian you know for quite some time and while I do admire and respect a lot of my, a lot of my time there and of course my friends and my you know who become your, your family that you choose, you know? Sure it's I can see it now and you know having the whole dark night of the soul or nights or months you know. Right So, but in that I can see the need for that as a part of part of my life. So that was my background. Sure.

Brandon Handley 7:31 Yeah. It's funny you say that right? Like I'm I'm not religious, but I am spiritual and I think that a lot of people get that confused. I don't have a religion. Yeah. But I am spiritual right because I think that you know, you have a religion you're not you are not religious you have it right. Like, that's your background and your your kind of upbringing and, and, and, you know, the path that you follow, and it's funny that you bring up you know, we we have Eddie Bryan and In common a couple weeks ago like i said i was first I listened to him but you know there's some he talks about Vedanta and Hinduism right and he talks about all the different paths of Hinduism and right in the end he does it sooner or later you just got to bet on one line later just got it you got it you got a bet on one Yeah. Oh it because otherwise you're just always kind of popping around Yeah. And it It's funny how I landed on the just pick one theory or idea and I got that through the science of getting rich Wallace D wattles. Right I've never read that book. I mean, it's it's my all time it's in my top five man it's such a great book. But it's like just follow just read this one book and don't read any don't pay attention to anything else for like until you This is part of your soul,

Unknown Speaker 8:54 bro.

Brandon Handley 8:56 I'm so sorry to dive down in that right so okay. So you're running the men's group. Let's give a little more background journey man like, I mean, let's let's do this first, I always like to talk about the front end of it, you know, what is it you're doing? Tell us about? Tell us about your tell us about the men's group, right? The hero's journey, men's online discussion circle, right? Like, how did that get started? And what's going on?

Jeremy Snowden 9:21 Yeah, so almost two years, well,

longer than two years ago, I connected with some guys and some Facebook groups. And I was just blown away to see what the same questions over and over and over again. You know, my wife cheated on me, you know, or my wife left me or my girlfriend, you know, yada, yada. Or we can't give a lot we can never, you know, come to a conclusion on anything or whatever. Right? And so I figured, you know, I'm throwing my opinion in this whole thing, just to see what happens to kind of see where I'm at with my peers. You know, where are we at? You guys don't know me from Adam. I don't know you from Adam. And you. It's almost like my friend of mine, Andy. You might No to he and he's just he just trolls your stuff because he thinks you're cool. You know? We can't is it silly?

Brandon Handley 10:07 Yeah, yes. No, he's funny though. So he doesn't get a choice. Great troll. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 10:12 And he's like, and he's sort of my, my spiritual project, you know, to get him to start walking along that

Brandon Handley 10:20 path. Don't go to the dark side.

Jeremy Snowden 10:22 Right and he's he's doing everything he can to, you know, push, push it up, push me off it but Anyway, I digress. But he says, You know, I said something about, you know, just try not to read the comments right about now with everything heated up. You read people's comments, and you're just like, oh, but he retorted and said that it's all about the comments. And really, that's that's that's community right there. Yeah, you can actually trace your community within those comments. You know, CS Lewis said it this way, and I'll get off my soapbox. He said, I mean,

Brandon Handley 10:55 this is immunity. That's exactly what this is the soapbox, bro. That's why we're here. All right. All right.

Jeremy Snowden 11:02 community doesn't happen until someone else says YouTube. Mm hmm. You know, and so I created an online community of people that like, we have the same kind of challenges, you know, a lot of them are still married or, or, you know, some art, you know, and the thing that we do is we use the book as an excuse a friend of mine, Stan, you can you might know him as well. Stan, Michael, he, he wants to talk to me about the law of the third's, it's very similar to this mode to Brandon is like, you know, I have this light ring. I don't know if you have a light rain, but I kind of see that as my vortex. You know, I mean, like, it's, it's almost like, if we were to practice you know, like all of the different magical traditions, if you will, where you could look through water and see spirit on the other side. That's what we're

Brandon Handley 11:56 doing. You know, we're ending the evil stepmother and Mirror mirror on the wall. fairest of them all right. I mean, come on somebody that stops everywhere, right? Like, here's the thing, like, here's the thing is what's so great about like this space is like, once you realize you tripped over into it, you're like, Oh, it's everywhere. Everybody's been trying to tell me my entire life.

Jeremy Snowden 12:16 Come on. Right? Right on your face, right?

Brandon Handley 12:20 Mm hmm. I mean, we'll cliches and you know, stuff. Your parents told you that you said, Nah, shut up. Stop. You're crazy. Don't talk to my friends. Right? It's everywhere. I was I was on the plane, coming back from Denver. And I was watching the Madeline L'Engle movie with Oprah in it. A stitch in time, A Wrinkle in Time, Wrinkle in Time, man. And it was everything you and I are about and I was like, I was taking notes like furious. I was like, oh, brah Oh, Oprah, not again, more Oprah right um, Mirror mirror on the wall. Right, just like yeah, that's the vortex that's looking looking, looking looking. piercing the veil, right?

Jeremy Snowden 13:06 Yes. I'm

Brandon Handley 13:09 with you. Yeah, tell me more. So Hero's Journey hero's journey. Tell us all Batman.

Jeremy Snowden 13:14 So it's very similar, right? You could see these different themes in everybody's lives. We're all living the same life.

Brandon Handley 13:21 Suddenly, let's talk about the things right, let's talk about let's talk about the hero's journey. Because if you're not familiar with it, who's it come from?

Jeremy Snowden 13:31 Joseph Campbell, is a mythologist very wise man who did research to be able to see these common themes and all stories Star Wars, right? Um,

Brandon Handley 13:45 gosh, went nuts. Oh, so if is he recently like that went went went when was he? You know, I do know some history on him. But I you know, I'm not this is not a test. But I want I want I want people to hear from you. I was like,

Unknown Speaker 14:00 No, kind of monopoly,

Jeremy Snowden 14:02 probably circa and I can look it up too.

But probably circa 1950s around that time, I guess

Brandon Handley 14:09 so he predates he predates Star Wars and all that

Jeremy Snowden 14:13 stuff, right? For sure. For sure. And yeah, just pulling him up here just as a nerd

Brandon Handley 14:18 with rain. Sure, man. So, before,

Jeremy Snowden 14:21 right so yeah, he was born. Right so

1904 so in died 1987 So, yeah, he was an inspiration to Steve Lucas. Is that right? I'm not a big Star Wars fan but Lucas. Lucas right, George There it goes. I think he's towards. I'm showing my own coolness right now to some of your audience. Yeah, but anyway, um, he just really, you know, well, it says he was influenced, for instance by Nisha Christian Judy Krishnamurti. Carl Jung. I mean, just Schopenhauer. I mean, like he basically canonized The concept of you know that the departure, the initiation of the hero, and the return, you know, and with each and there's got subsections and all that you could read on it, of course online. But it's just that we have the same story except I think in my mind's eye, I'm thinking what you talked about Maslow's hierarchy of needs kind of the same thing. You know, I'm saying there's, there's levels to this shit.

Brandon Handley 15:25 Right, right, right, though. Absolutely.

Jeremy Snowden 15:27 And unfortunately, we talked about it earlier, maybe some people this round just don't want to get it.

Brandon Handley 15:32 Well, there's a there's a section in the story, right is some people reject the hero's call, right? Because the beginning there, right? is is is okay. And and here's, you know, if you want my take on it, which you're not asking for, but I'll give it to you. Ain't on me. Right. So we've got the hero's journey. Then there's, there's the call of the hero, right? That's when you're when you and I are in this journey, we felt something I mean, so overwhelming that if you didn't do it, something inside you died. Yeah. Right if you don't and that's so that's the that's the hero's call, right? The hero's call is, is there's something

Unknown Speaker 16:17 within me that if I don't share it,

Brandon Handley 16:21 if I don't help to give this away

Unknown Speaker 16:24 within my lifetime I may as well stop now. Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 16:29 So you feel that and then you have a couple opportunities to say Nah, fuck that I'm gonna go have a beer. Right? Right and so you can sub you can sub do that in a number of ways. And and I'm not sure if you ever watched the series on Netflix it's called the umbrella factory. And and what I realized by watching the umbrella factory was there's one girl on there I'm not not to give away the whole plot, but like she was subdued her entire life from her innate superpowers. By medication, right Though, you know, to what where I'm getting there is is like a religion, ad. You know, people who my grandmother was diagnosed as schizophrenic now, we didn't have like we weren't super close, but the question begs to be answered. What's your medium? Yeah, right. Right. And and there wasn't, there wasn't the space in the place, then that we've got now available to allow for that. Yeah, to explore that, which is I love where we are now. So, to me, the hero's call is just that right? There is something within you, right? And if you if you don't answer that, you've got to suppress it. And that's when you start to kind of each time because it's going to be it's going to come more than once. It's gonna keep coming right there every, every moment in your life is kind of an opportunity for that hero's call, right? Yeah. And if you don't answer that You're gonna wither away and die. Yeah. Yeah, that's my take on it.

Jeremy Snowden 18:04 What do I think that's wonderful man, that's, that's really good. I love this volley. Plain and simple is because that's how I grow. You know, for the longest I looked around to people that were in suits on Sunday morning, and it's like, you guys can't bring the fire here What's going on? You know, and I was like, there's got to be more. And it's not that they weren't good people. It's just that sometimes when we put constraints on our, our faith or our religion, whatever it is, right, it's, it's we kind of like it's like, I used to lead worship, you know, so and I love worship music. But it was like, only part of the dance and when I when I when I stepped down from that, if you will, and began to sit down on my back porch, right, and, you know, dance in front of the moon. Nobody else is around. It's just me and God. So everything outside of my body is dancing with me. It felt more authentic. Then, you know, playing and although I still play music I still love. I still love worship music but it seemed that I was, you know, we could we following a rigid tradition didn't allow me or spirit for me to be able to just blossom it just kept me in this kind of in a confined space so sure, sure kind

Brandon Handley 19:21 of like kind of like I mean, if you think about a tangle of roots and in a confined space in a box, right, like I mean, there's just

Unknown Speaker 19:29 nowhere to go.

Brandon Handley 19:30 Yeah, okay. Well, I mean, it's fair, but I'm just curious too, because all right, look, you've got this group you're doing you're and you're and you're walking them through, like the hero's journey, right? So I stopped everybody here for a second at, you know, rejecting the call. So what happens when you answered a call is you know, take me there. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 19:48 Well, I mean, first off, and I know this different for everybody. I mean, number one is when i don't know i don't get probably the same thing. Granted, it's like even the cashier will start telling me about it. Marriage, you know, I'm saying and it's so it's like you know, I gotta also safeguard my energy at the same time but it's like working with guys that are like somes kind of like a little off and I need some just help. What they really need is just somebody to walk with them that second phase right, which is the initiation right percent, right. So it's, it's and it's it's Simba or I'm sorry. It's symbols friends. Timonium, Puma. Yeah. Cool.

Brandon Handley 20:30 Right. So now saying that the other day I don't even care. No.

Jeremy Snowden 20:34 Yeah. And then you have her freaky, right, the monkey that shows the bigger picture, if you will, right. And then the mentor Right, so the mystic, mystical mentor. There you go. And that's where I mean again, that the hero's journey arc works Yoda all stories, right. There you go. Right. Go. So walking with them is it for me at least it's as much as just for saying I see you. Yeah, I see you. And he's like, looking at you now. Right? You've done it.

Unknown Speaker 21:06 I'll tell you

Brandon Handley 21:08 that, that that saves me. when when when, you know, when that happened to me, I was like something was a little off. And I had to reach out to, you know, three, three people, three different people. And I was like,

Unknown Speaker 21:21 I don't know what's going on. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 21:24 I'm not losing my shit, but I'm not quite right. I just thought I'd let you guys know. Right? And at same time also reached out to a Buddhist Reverend friend, right? I said, Hey, here's what I'm feeling. And he goes, you're cool. I was like, working with them. Right. But to your point, this is a little over three years ago. The I had the exact same feeling of, hey, look, I want to be the greeter. Right? Kind of like a scarecrow in The Wizard of Oz.

Unknown Speaker 21:58 Right. Yeah, yeah.

Unknown Speaker 22:00 We're gonna cross paths you're gonna cross paths or paths are gonna interweave. You're on the way to Emerald City. I'm sure I'll walk along with you for a while.

Jeremy Snowden 22:08 We're off to see the wizard. Right. Yeah. Right. Yeah,

Brandon Handley 22:11 yeah, so exactly the same. Yeah. Tell me more.

Jeremy Snowden 22:14 Yeah. So a lot of the times, it's, it's a matter to, I mean, it's just us watching them as kids, we had invisible friends. Right. And then we're told, well, that's stupid, you know, but I think that they serve whether they were real, you know, if you can, if you if you accept, you know, spirits or demons or whatever, if you go along that track are whether they are just an aspect or element of our own spirit or mind. You know, however you see it, they serve a purpose, you know, and one of those is to, to watch, like, you know, again, is my tradition. It's like, there are such things, it's watchers, right? Have you noticed a lot of paintings that people do when they're shrooms are a plant medicine. There's a lot of eyes around the eyes have it? Sure. So, you know, sometimes people just need you to be their spotter, you know, as they're going through that stuff. You don't need to have.

Brandon Handley 23:15 Yeah, you listen, you Listen, don't trip by yourself on the first time, right? Like everybody knows that. I'm just saying, right? Like, it's, it's, it's very similar though, right? Like, you know, you want to be in a safe place and especially when you're in a vulnerable condition such as an awakening or such as like, you know, especially look men are just as vulnerable as anybody else. I I believe, more so because if they're going through the, you know, the call to hero, right. And they don't know where to turn. Most of us haven't been prepared for this. Yes. Right or don't recognize, right don't recognize that they've been prepared for now because I'll I would also say that due to the Your religion, you were able to put things into some kind of framework. You're like, you know what, holy shit. there's a there's a story in the Bible that lines up to the scene that I'm going through right now, what was the outcome? And you could you can say in your mind, right, this was the outcome. What does that outcome really mean, though? Because that outcome no longer is, is this kind of this story, right? No, this is no longer like, you know, you know, the walls of Jericho, just falling down what, you know, what was that story? If I could put that into modern language, right, I circled it, you know, XYZ times. And, you know, is that a story of patience and perseverance of you know, and that's what this really meant, right? And that's what I'm experiencing. Sure. Is, did you have that? You know, is that how you kind of translated your, is that what made it easier for you or was it is it a journey that kind of like really set the tone for you?

Jeremy Snowden 24:56 Right, right. Well, it was, I guess, It was a mixture of both. So as you were sharing, I was like, dude, I'm I'm letting him go, because this is really this is solid meat here. This is about where I'm at. So it came to a point where and I won't go into that on the just because for time sake, but, you know, I was going through my dark night of the soul if you will season right. And I just realized I need to zoom up a little further and not just assume that text, no offense to anybody else, any text. Okay, so across the board for me, if it does not resonate with my heart, I just can't receive it. Right. Right. So if I can apply it because I think it's wholesome, right? I mean, I All scripture is given for admiration and for admonition and examples for us and got out and I believe that they're good. They're good stories. Some of them don't apply the way that I was told they applied. And so I have to, you know, observe them as the self Right, yeah. As it's just like, you know, looking at your kids candy, I hate to, you know, make the word candy, you know, I'm saying but it's like, you know, when you're at Halloween, you're just checking get your, you know, you get your fill of Reese's Pieces that

Brandon Handley 26:14 you find those passwords don't need all those candy.

Jeremy Snowden 26:18 But, you know, I had to I had to scrutinize each thoughts, you know, of any any text. So that's why I'm listening to, you know, Edwin Bryant right now. And, you know, the yoga sutras of Patanjali. It's because there are words there. They're, what three 5000 years old. And he is explaining them and I even have to scrutinize him for myself for my own personal self right now. Not out loud, right? I'm

Brandon Handley 26:48 good.

Jeremy Snowden 26:49 All right, all the greats I don't I just, I've come here on the same dispensation and it's my responsibility to unpack it. You know, there's a difference. I put it this way. There's a difference. belief and faith, right?

And it's like, yeah, was that media?

Yeah. So like faith is all scripture calls faith substance. Right? It's a substance. Okay? Right. Whereas belief seems to me to be just an ideology, you know, and it's like, sometimes we mistake I have in the past mistakes as interchangeable. But then when my ideology falls apart, that's when your faith has to come alive. So that's what happened. Okay, so when, when that happened, because of the dark night of the soul, right, I decided to investigate and search things to see if they're actually what they really are for, for my own selves.

Brandon Handley 27:43 And describe, like dark night, a soul a little bit. So for somebody that, you know, that feels like they've been through it, or you know, or what does it mean to you because I think that that has a different meaning to people to

Unknown Speaker 27:55 write.

Jeremy Snowden 27:58 I think it's part of this The Hero's Journey story arc, if you will, in the dragons, the the bankruptcy, the divorce the, you know, the difference stimuluses that caused the response in you? Is it parallelisation? Like, I've been there, like, you know, where you're just paralyzed, you don't know what to do. It was Wednesday, like, a day ago, and now it's, you know, Sunday morning or whatever, you know, you just kind of lose track of everything. It's best. That's my own personal experience. I don't really cry a lot. It's not.

Brandon Handley 28:31 I mean, is it like a depression point? Is it a focal point? Do you have to kind of hit?

Jeremy Snowden 28:38 Okay, so, very similar to what you said. It's like, Is there a diagnosis for it? That is actually right. Or do we just what is what we call depression? Right? Yeah.

Is it? Is that

Unknown Speaker 28:54 the call? Sure you

Jeremy Snowden 28:57 believe so. You know, think it's thick. Right, and they have to withdraw themselves and and heal themselves or not you know and so you know I kind of think that ladder it's yeah I think you're right my mom actually was kids phrenic and we her and I lived with her demons you know as her behavior is powerful

Brandon Handley 29:21 I mean how do you look at that now?

Jeremy Snowden 29:25 Yeah so i i i don't know in terms of we've I guess my sisters and I've we've we've had that those conversations is a demon is a devils that are like literal doubles. Is it just the serotonin synaptic gaps and durose transmitters that blah blah, you know, misfire Listen, listen to I mean, there's always there's always a science psychology about it, right? Like I'm right. And that's, that's frustrating, right? Because you can science away just about anything you want. Right?

Brandon Handley 29:56 Let's talk about it from let's talk about it from just your You know, your own life experience perception, your own human words? Know what's out. You know, if you're looking at that right now, like I said about my grandmother does that, you know, all right, well, Was she a medium? Was there something was she in contact when you got plenty of people that say I talk to angels, you know, is there something trying to communicate through her and it was a matter of if she had had the right teacher or teaching. It could have been just tremendous power that could have brought good into the world.

Unknown Speaker 30:31 Sure.

Jeremy Snowden 30:33 Isn't that crazy, too? And could it be I mean, and rest are soul. It could it be that she denied the call?

Brandon Handley 30:42 Don't so that's the thing, right? If you don't, if you're not,

Unknown Speaker 30:46 so, for me, a lot of this is already like my first language.

Brandon Handley 30:54 I was raised this way like my mother was I was born out in San Francisco. My mom was like, I mean I picked up the exact same eaching book. She got like, I'm stupid, retarded. Like, I mean, everything she ever said is like, I'm like, Oh my gosh, she was right. Right. and and, and and like, I mean, yeah, you know, I brought up Alan Watts with her and she's like, Oh yeah, I remember seeing him in San Francisco, Alan. Know. And so, so when I experienced all this stuff, I kind of had a background in it right. I was like,

Jeremy Snowden 31:29 nice. It was almost like I'm

Brandon Handley 31:34 falling into like, down comforters. Wow, you were just like beautiful gowns. You know, like, wow, I was like, Man, this is a great place to be. Yeah. How can I explain to everybody else where I'm at, right like, I mean, and and do it in a way and that's part about this podcast, right? How can you know a big part of it's okay, great. It's cool. You feel that way, but How can you apply that in? Yeah, practicality, right? And so, so you're doing that in your group, right? you're grabbing these men. And you're saying, All right, we're cool here. This is a safe space. Here's what you're going through, and you're using the hero's journey to walk them along the journey. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 32:19 So through the challenges of everyday life through divorce or whatever. And also like, like, in my case, for instance, which in the hero's journey Ark, my dragon was hell. I mean, Holy moly, right. I mean, like, if I'm wrong, I can get a, you know, you know, don't collect $200 go directly to hell, you know, find stamped and it's your own. It's your own damn fault, Jeremy, because I'm now seeking things or allowing things or understanding things that are contrary to my upbringing, if you will. So that was my that was that was that I was just so afraid. You know what What people are gonna think, you know, how people are gonna act toward me, now that I'm able to hold space for a wizard, if I wanted to, you know, I'm saying, you know, or somebody else, it's all welcome here.

Brandon Handley 33:11 Sorry. I'm sure the reference behind that. I don't even know, man, I'm just you know, let's just like it's just like, hey, like, you know, all are welcome. Nobody's kind of kept out. Right. And so that's kind of what you were you're talking about. Right?

Jeremy Snowden 33:25 Right. But it was because I hit that firewall and push through it, you know, and what if I can give? Can I give a brief example, dude? Yeah, absolutely. Please do. So a couple of years ago, I did plant medicine over at a Native American church. Right. Okay. And I was like, for sure. This is the thing that sends you to hell

Brandon Handley 33:45 right here, for sure. Was that the first time you've ever done plant medicine? Yes. Yeah. Okay. What is plant medicine?

Jeremy Snowden 33:53 Well, I guess.

I think I guess that's not exactly true, but From a vantage point of hallucinogenic as a medicinal

Brandon Handley 34:04 right for medicinal purposes well yeah as originally intended

Jeremy Snowden 34:09 one could argue that marijuana is plant medicine. Sure. Absolutely. Talking about that about and I westca no it's the it's the South American route that is extracted created into a tea you drink it shit yourself, etc etc.

Brandon Handley 34:24 There's nowhere to go a little declare. Gives you as

Jeremy Snowden 34:29 many Doritos as

you want. You're like, absolutely

Brandon Handley 34:35 good exchange.

Jeremy Snowden 34:36 So, you know, in my mind's eye, I was like, I mean, I changed my will before I went in you know, I mean, it was I was thinking this I prepared with intentions, etc. about it. I meditated and prayed on it, and then I, you know, I went in, put your money down. That's where it's at, right everywhere. So I'm in of course, I won't go into the experience right now, but The thing is, is that things that I seen made sense to me. Yeah. It makes sense to me in a way that maybe the things that I've read didn't make sense to me. Sure. I didn't change my religion, or if you will, so much as it it really helped me to open my spirit, if you will. Everybody should do it, because it was a trip and a half and it was a heavy deal,

Brandon Handley 35:24 you know, about no doubt. Well, but I mean, look, I it's kind of like, um, it's kind of like the the walls are already weakened. And that just, you know, that just

Unknown Speaker 35:37 positive in a damn

Jeremy Snowden 35:39 right. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. You know, it didn't make me better. It didn't make me a better father or husband or getting married or anything. It just changed you. Exactly. I mean, let's just, even if you look at it from a purely scientific standpoint, you know, where it was the who's hallucinogenic. It's, you know, It was legal the way that I obtained it the whole nine yards. So I'm pretty certain that but it's, you know, I'm just

Brandon Handley 36:06 waiting for the address at the end of the show.

Jeremy Snowden 36:14 Well, but the thing that if you just look at it from a scientific point of view, where it's just a hallucinogenic that, you know, responded to your nervous system, creating a sense of euphoria and blah, blah, blah, colors, right, good shit. It was right. Nonetheless, it wasn't really about the experience, right? Because it really is about the outcome. Really, right. Yeah. I, this experience is a great, everybody's got it. Right. You know,

Brandon Handley 36:44 you take it, I mean, look at me, it's, it's, it's, you know, everybody's got experiences, right? It's, it's not that you don't have the experiences How do you translate those experiences? And that's, that's really the outcome, like so it's it's every, you know, You know, my wife has never done any hardcore drugs, or drugs. I don't think she's ever smoked a weed or maybe she took a hit, but like, she never was like, hey, let's sit around all afternoon and like smoke his bowl, like, Oh my God just filled the bottled water, right? Like she never hung out did all that, but like, um, you know, she'll have some drinks and whatever. But so she's had experiences that she's had. And I've had, you know, plenty of experiences similar to one I just outlined and much rougher and tougher. And she looks at my life like, wow, you went through some shit. I'm like, it's not. Everybody's gone through some shit. It's somebody translate that how do you? How do you take your stories, and empower yourself? Because what we've done though, historically, and I think this is part of what you're teaching your men and working with your men is take these stories and your experiences, and empower yourself. And that's kind of the pinnacle of the hero's journey is that my writers? Tell me more. I'm talking way too much. Yes,

Jeremy Snowden 37:56 this is the collaborate. I think it's great but the return That's the final third of the hero's journey the return when, you know King off, Arthur is able to pull the sword from the stone where Simba grabs the courage to be able to, you know, go and get his bride and defeat his uncle and circle and lie, you know. So. So it's it's again, it's it's, it's the, it's the return and for me, it's like well, we started at the, you know the departure like with some some of my guys, we started the departure, and I don't determine that for you. Like, I'm very careful not to try to dictate what I see God as for someone else. Yeah, you can't. Right. Right, right. Yeah. That's right.

Brandon Handley 38:42 So that's what that's what it is frustrating. Um, and that's the product it's frustrating but it's also the problem because you Yeah, it's uh, if you say you know, God, then you don't know God type thing, right? Like because

Unknown Speaker 38:58 you can't, you can't

Brandon Handley 39:00 Put that into words. If you've gotten that kind of the first place that this kind of dawned on me experiences can't be translated they must be experienced was a de five rings book. If you've ever read that, right? Have you ever read that? That Samurai? Oh, yeah. And I was just beginning Jiu Jitsu at the same time, but like he would be talking about like, you know, kind of these different sword moves and swords, spots and spaces. And he can tell you how to do the moves, you can watch how to do the moves, but it's not until not only do you go try to do the moves, when you nail the move, and you get it right, then you know, you've just executed it correctly, right? You're like, wow, you know, because it'll be just a muscle here or muscle here and change and adjustment angle here or there. That makes it all work, right. So minor, minor adjustments, but when you nail it, you've experienced it. And that's all you can tell somebody like you'll know when you get it. Right, you'll know when you write like algebra and fractions.

Jeremy Snowden 40:05 Yeah. Oh, and you're like, bingo. Yeah, I got you best nine years of my life.

Brandon Handley 40:16 So, so you're running this group, you've been running this group for a while now. Right? And and you're, you're ramping up. You want to expand my right or wrong. For sure. Yeah. Let's talk about that. Tell me what's up. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 40:31 So because of my experience of divorce seven years, and just when I was able to kind of release that yoke of what my reality was, or when I created as far as my story, and then realize I used to be, I used to be a husband and a father, then it'd become, you know, an ex husband. I changed roles right. And then the kids stopped calling me because they were certainly going off to high you know, High School in college. So they respect Less than less. And it's like so now I'm not even a dad. And so it you know, although I was technically Of course, you know, when they needed something specially, but and and it's just part of their journey they're they're doing what they need to do as well. But it really caused me to be up to to look inside to make it happen. And so that's sort of what I'm approaching other guys that are just having those questions right now. You know so

Brandon Handley 41:26 the question is, what is what are some of the trigger questions you hear and you're like, you're like, you're like I know it. I know you need me. Right, I can help you. What are those questions?

Jeremy Snowden 41:35 Well, the key the key word that I listened for should back in my Bible days, Hey, have you been reading your Bible? Not as much as I should? Sure. Yeah. Are you exercising not as much as I should? It's like, why don't you design a life for yourself when you fully embody yourself? And so you know, whenever I hear those kind of things like should how things are supposed to To be or ought to, if they're open if people are open to it, and again, it's a matter of audience, right? I don't know who, who needs me. I'm, I'm just opening myself to do. I'm doing a 21 day kind of a challenge. It's really not about the 21 days. It's not about doing activities, although it is it's just about someone watching you through your journey as you're developing. So those dark days where you don't want to get up and you get a text from me that says, you're making your bed right and you're doing your five push ups. Put a thumbs up when that's done, holler to you later. Peace, right? It'll put a smile on your face. It'll make you it'll make you do it even though you don't want to do it. It's valid. Right? It's just it's it's billion dollar that they already have. Sure.

Brandon Handley 42:44 Yeah. That hasn't been on hasn't been hasn't been bolstered. Right. It hasn't been supported. It hasn't been encouraged,

Jeremy Snowden 42:52 right? Um

Brandon Handley 42:55 I would you know, I would stop were we talking about it. I'm Sure you

Unknown Speaker 43:00 flow, the book flow, you bought a book

Brandon Handley 43:03 is it in his book where he talks about and I think it is in his book where he talks about like, you know, some of the older cultures like in China and Oriental cultures, they cultivated the sense of being, right. They cultivated, they were cultivated people. And we get the sense of and you know, when we say, oh, that person's cultivated, we this we think aristocratic, we think money, wealth, and all these other things, but know, what he's talking about is they've cultivated that inner sense of being right. They've cultivated that, you know, stoicism and applied it and it's internalized, right. That's, that's, that's, that's, that's what they've done. And that's what we haven't done. Right. So that in a Western culture, right, you know, and, and, and I'll throw this other one at you too, because I keep kicking it around. You know, adulting is hard, but you know what, the full word is adulterated. We've been adulterated and changed, right? There's this change and transition. So adulting being adulterated. When we go through this metamorphosis. It's a it is a challenge. And if you don't have people like yourself, myself, I'm there to catch you as you come in or greet you, right? I mean, the officer into the church is there to greet you to welcome you like that. Right? It's You're welcome here, come into this place where you're welcome. And and and be prepared to hear some stories that if you're, they're no longer pearls before swine, right, that they're no longer pearls before swine, like, these are all the stories that are now before you that after you cross this threshold of understanding, you get now you're like, Ah, yeah, because you can't you I think we're talking a little bit about this earlier. It's like you can't go to people who haven't already had the experience. Tell them about the experience, and have them ready to accept it because It sounds unreal.

Unknown Speaker 45:02 That's right. Right. But the beauty is

Brandon Handley 45:08 we've got, you know, Vedanta Hinduism, all the stories from you know, the the writing to your pata shots. But I mean even, you know, the the cuneiform Egypt lives this, these are not and this is this is what you're talking about though these are not new feelings. These are not new questions. These questions have all been answered before. Yeah. But they've been answered by generations before us who had other experiences to reference around them. Right. And we've got to do that now. We've got to retranslate those stories into a language that somebody else can understand.

Jeremy Snowden 45:46 And more or less one that resonates with our just tacking on for me, it's like, yeah, yeah, right. It's not something that I'm parroting anymore and not that you're living it.

Brandon Handley 45:56 You're living, you're living it, you've embodied it. It is now internalized and when you express yourself, self expression, your inner self. Right? That's what's coming out. It's like the Wayne Dyer thing, right? You know, if you put nothing if you're an orange, essentially right, the only thing it's going to come out of you is orange juice because all you've been putting in you is pouring right? I mean for you, all you've been putting into yourself is like this love, right? I've been putting into yourself Is this just the story and your understanding and you've been working on yourself? You've been cultivating yourself so that you can

Unknown Speaker 46:31 share so that you can get Yeah, yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 46:34 You know, I find that a lot of guys and again, I work in more in the manned space than I you know, I've got of course you know, lots of Lady for fret friends that are women but I pretty much in the man's face in terms of self development. Um, and maybe that's just more I'm just that's how I'm wired. You know, I there's a lot of common, there's more commonality, so for sure, but you find that a lot of guys have been motivated and burdened by shame. Okay, it's, it was the, it was the tool that drew the you know that trival drove him to school, it was the tool that kept him in line. It's the and then all of a sudden, you know, and that's where I'm thinking, Man, if people are feeling sensing that on the regular, something's not right, your, your, your, your heart is as a as a and this is just my experience, if your heart is just pushes that way, it's like it feels it and it pushes it away. And so sometimes people use excessive alcohol or drugs or whatever, you know, to, or eating or whatever to be able to mask that. But that's just, that's just the symptoms, you're just cutting leaves off the, you know, the, the weed or whatever, you know, but it's going to continue to grow. It's just going to be there until you find a way to be able to not even address it, but address yourself. It's okay. You know, it's alright, man, everybody makes mistake, I really do it in my there. And just going through that process of not, you know, that self talk process to bring really an impact besides the story, the stories and outside thing, which some of it was true, some of it happened, a lot of it didn't. And you replayed it, you know, 90,000 times every day over the last 20 years or whatever. So I think that's why people need to have other people it's not just by my coaching, you know, video, you know, whatever's and you will be a millionaire too. It's, hey, so was it hard brushing your teeth this morning, man. You know, you look tired, like doing a video. You know, like how when you do video with people.

Brandon Handley 48:49 So, you know when I chatted with a doctor who was helping men Go through depression, right? She was actually working on, you know, men who are suicidal, right? Trying to get them help, right because her brother had had done this himself. And so she made that kind of her life's work

Unknown Speaker 49:15 column

Unknown Speaker 49:22 for three, to one more back.

Brandon Handley 49:27 What are some, like, you know, applications of kind of what we're talking about there, right? Because it sounds to me a little bit like, you know, using the observer as a tool, right? That's what it was right? So she would she would say, hey, with men, right? They want to try it first. They want to try to do it on their own first and so she would offer them a toolbox. Do you offer your guys like a toolbox? Beautiful.

Jeremy Snowden 49:49 I think that the the book study in itself is that toolbox like resource, and it's really not me. It's the other guys I mean, we get on a zoom call. We talked about You know, like, right now we're doing Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. Right? Great ground, the great book, right? Yeah, nothing wrong with that. And we're just going through it and what we're doing, we're talking the language to each other. So I use that as a toolbox. I mean, plain simple is people guys always say it's so hard to be able to be a part of a men's group. Well, the men's group is, you know, your bowling league, if it's the right guys, you know, or, you know, the people that you you know, whatever, you know, hike with or cycle with, that can be a part of your men's group. So it doesn't have to be an officially sanctioned thing. So that's my that would be my tool, my toolbox and you know, then I work on work with people one on one, you know, we do the, the hero's journey men's circle, just that's, that's what I do. That's what I do for my life, not for a living. So I'm charging for I probably never will. It's just a way to be able to have these conversations because if you think about it, in Spanish, everybody's taking Spanish, one Spanish To write, and none of us can even order from the taco truck. You know, I'm saying, why is that? Well, because we didn't get a chance to practice it. Right? So when you're reading a book, a really good book, and then you're talking to somebody about it, like what you and I just did, you know, in the hero's journey, you broke it down. I was like, amen. Amen. I was like, Wow, dude. So, you know, and then she's talking about it. What does it do? It solidifies my ideas. It helps you to contrast them against yours. Sure, not for the not for the cause of debate. You're a stranger you're hearing you know, Australia or whatever. I know you're not but you know, I'm saying

Brandon Handley 51:35 but actually, I heard there's a lot of spiders there the other day and we don't want to be in Australia. So

Unknown Speaker 51:40 Crikey there goes that cranky.

Brandon Handley 51:42 But I was like, they all said it with kangaroos and platypus and koalas.

Unknown Speaker 51:47 100%

Brandon Handley 51:50 The it's also funny too. Are you able to do me a favor man. Take your camera and swirl it around and rattle off some of the books that

Unknown Speaker 52:01 Like well now, right? Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:05 Seven Habits of Highly Effective People. The Millionaire Next Door right I know that you got that. First things first time traps Elements of Style as far as writing I think you and I think

Brandon Handley 52:16 that's where we like that's where we that's where we hit off right like we really don't know. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 52:23 One minute to do list Heidegger Martin Heidegger, you know, basic writings pemuteran john, which is great, right? I never saw you're not so smart. It's more just a analytical book. You got some Seth Godin represent, right? Yeah, check this

Unknown Speaker 52:38 out says one way book man. For sure. Right.

Jeremy Snowden 52:42 Right. So of course Four Agreements represent right. The Alchemist over there while the heart by

john Eldridge.

Hmm. You know, so, uh, I hate to say I'm well read, but I'm just not.

Unknown Speaker 52:57 So. I think

Brandon Handley 52:58 I think the other thing you hit on there too. is, you know, it's not just reading these books, discussing them and applying them. So otherwise it's a it's what they call shelf esteem. Whoo. Right. Right. You know, what good is it doing it? Yeah. Great. You read all the books. What out of that particular book did you love right? Or you know, if you want to, you know, we'll talk about I talked about high fidelity and the crown a lot, you know, not the chronological order but how you got from how I got from like, you know, blondie, you know, Tomic in 1981 to shatter herbs and Rolling Stones like got into like a you know, man who's right out to that like a talking heads you know, it's always the same, it's the same right like I could tell you a chronological order how I made these brownies and and and the songs and how they made me move. right and and and and what I took out at that time, what was my heart feeling? Same thing with the book. So right like, What? What inside of that book made? What was the? What about that book made you move? What about that book made you change? What changes did you make? Because you've read that?

Unknown Speaker 54:18 Yeah. Right. So, um

Brandon Handley 54:23 what are some like great applications that you would give some people from any one of those books include

Unknown Speaker 54:32 include include call heroes, you know, hero's journey. Wow.

Jeremy Snowden 54:37 Um, well, again, I think that the the hero's journey is a template for your entire life and it can happen so quickly right in different areas and aspects of your life. So it's not just a one time winner takes all you know, it's it's you got to go through this story again, it's just a different story. Like, like my kids, they went vegan, right. And I was thinking in my mind Amway is next.

Unknown Speaker 55:05 This only leads to one place.

Jeremy Snowden 55:08 Now, you know, no, not necessarily, but it's just that we all go through face to face. Yeah. All right. Have you been born again yet? You know, are you

Unknown Speaker 55:16 sure? We go through the? Yep, yep. Yeah.

Jeremy Snowden 55:20 So, um, I think that probably love, of course, the Four Agreements primarily for its, if you will, the, the number, the preface, but the beginning where he talks about how society created things about us, like your name, it's not your name. It's what you're called, you know, it's not you, you know, or your language was chosen for you because of where you were born. You know, those kind of, so when you when you when you understand that part, then you understand Wait a second, then, I mean, things get really weird. You're like, what do I do with my hands, you know, kind of thing. It's, and so I really like that seven hands. Habits of Highly Effective People. Oh my gosh, in terms of, you know, if you're dealing with anger, for instance, you know, then, I mean, understanding Victor Frankel's stuff, Jewish, Austrian psych psychiatrist and lecture now he's on a table exercising his last Enduring Freedom, you know, the power to choose his response. He couldn't control the stimulus what was happening to him at the time,

Unknown Speaker 56:24 right.

Jeremy Snowden 56:26 And, you know, his response you could control because of the space in between, which is his power to choose.

Brandon Handley 56:33 Yeah, that's based in between is is it that's, that's something that me once you recognize that space in between, so there's so much power and absolute there's so much power in that. And you know, not for nothin like I was always like, felt like, you know, the fastest way to answer had to be like the smartest one right now. You're the fastest One answer, but the more I think about it, like, the person who goes away and comes back with an answer, like the next day and really thought about it, that's the person I admire, you know the person with a question. Okay, well, yeah, I'll talk to you tomorrow.

Jeremy Snowden 57:16 Yeah. Nice.

Brandon Handley 57:18 Right and and then and then we usually within that time, you kind of figure out some answers for yourself. And to me anyways, whenever you ask a question, you're like, Look, not for nothing. You've got it. You've got a pre loaded answer already. You know what I mean? You're like, even in even for yourself, right? Like, you know, the whole idea of what you seek is seeking you, right? It's just like, you're just, you know, you're sending out to the university. Like, this is what I'm looking for. It'll the universe is like, Alright, well, here it is. You're like, Ah, yeah. where, you know, you know, you know not I don't know where you you, you only had eyes for that.

Jeremy Snowden 57:54 Right? Right. How about this, just throw a little bit of spice in Coggins did that. How many of us are self sabotaging at the 10th and goal all day,

Brandon Handley 58:07 every day?

Jeremy Snowden 58:08 Because we, I mean, we can see it through the membrane. And we're afraid what that means.

Brandon Handley 58:14 There's a really good book on that. Let me see if I've got it here. Notice there is I can do anything. I do anything, only if I knew what it was how to discover how to discover what you really want and how to get it. And this is, the concept is about scanners. Right? And scanners are like, you know, I forget what it is, but like, you know, some of us we've got this story, that we're not going to go do this thing, because we feel like why can't go do this because if I did that, I'd leave my family behind. Right or or like, you know, something would happen, my family, they would get upset with me and so we tell ourselves, all these stories They're just that write stories. And so we stop ourselves at the 10 yard line. Because internally, we've got, like some story that we told ourselves that we heard, you know, 30 years ago.

Unknown Speaker 59:11 That's so digged. In it's it's entrenched. Yeah. Right.

Brandon Handley 59:16 And and whether or not we like to admit it, we know that that's still in there, right? We're like, we're like, now I got rid of that. Like, yo, bro, you don't get rid of words. Right? They keep coming. They keep coming back. And that's just like those stories that we keep telling ourselves and then we say, yeah, we think we got it fixed. And we am still there.

Jeremy Snowden 59:35 Right? Yeah. Incredible. Yeah.

Brandon Handley 59:38 Yeah, I mean,

Jeremy Snowden 59:39 that's a that's sorry. That's like, a choice, right?

Brandon Handley 59:44 Yeah, that's a space right. That's a space in between, right. That's a space that's a that's the that's the opportunity to recognize the story that you've told yourself over and over and over and over again, and and that's your opportunity to say Not today.

Unknown Speaker 1:00:01 Right? Yeah.

Brandon Handley 1:00:03 I talked way too much on this one, Jeremy, thanks for letting me talk. I mean, I can see why, you know, you're you're the guy that that, you know, thanks for this is how you hold space. I appreciate it. You know where, you know, you've got this coming up, where can people go join this group with you?

Jeremy Snowden 1:00:18 Absolutely. Thanks. And first off, I wanted to say, you know, I mean, like, you're rocking it to, like, as far as like living your ultimate path. I can, I really can see from my side of the screen. Here's somebody that's going after it, you know, I'm saying you still have obligations, you still have things you have to do. And so this is extra right

Brandon Handley 1:00:40 side, hustle, whatever. It's not. here's, here's, here's the thing, and I appreciate that, right. It's not the side hustle. This is I mean, you'll listen to a lot of other people. If you make this the thing you have to do. There's resistance in that and there's worrying there's concern and so you will think back, right you hold things back that are true. Do you because you're concerned what other people may think. Right? And so if you just do it, because it's true to you without expectation, I mean, we talk about Buddhism, right? And we talk about suffering is due to desires but suffering to me is due to our expectations suffering, his desires, our expectations, not being realized the way that we thought that they were going to come out right. So if we do this with the intention, if I do this with the intention that this has to work, all pressures on this all pressures on me that I lose my freedom with that, yeah, beautiful my freedom with that, so but I do appreciate the truth of the matter is this is true to me. 100% right now, getting to lead with spirituality instead of hiding behind your father for the rest of us was awesome. You know, doing that five group was great. They brought me To exactly where I am today it was necessary. I did you know I did prosperity practice and and dabbled in LA. But that also brought me here to ultimately spirituality. I'm like, you know what, I'm just gonna I'm just gonna leave with spirituality. Like we talked in the in this is like, that's who I feel like I need to be I need to be the greeter I need to be the person that greets like you just like you right? Like, just like it is 100% you know, so we're walking the same we're walking a similar path, right? And and we're just there to help people out man and the whole deal with this podcast is we're out there doing it successfully and living our path and having a more fulfilled life through this version of ourselves.

Unknown Speaker 1:02:48 And there are plenty of people doing it. And my total intent is to show you that you can do it too.

Brandon Handley 1:02:58 I love that right. There's some There's something else. There's something in Jeremy's story that you're going to hear today that resonates with you that says, I gotta, I gotta follow my path. I gotta, I gotta I gotta open up my own heart. I feel like I feel like I could you know, benefit from hanging out with Jeremy and learning about, um, you know, the hero's journey, I've never heard about it. So go ahead, spend some time there. Understand it's like to give people space and follow your path, man.

Jeremy Snowden 1:03:25 Absolutely. So we have a

Facebook group, of course, hero's journey, which immense discussion discussion circle, which means you know, you're in, you're in if you want in your in piping, just we follow a DBA D Don't be a, you know, whatever. Don't Don't just don't troll in there just for the sake of trolling. Yeah, but it's a great place to be able to connect, you know, it's a safe spot. Some people what I've noticed, too, is there more. They're more reserved, you know, they they they want to watch for While and that's fine. And but it's a great place to connect. And of course, you can message me, of course, Jeremy Snowden, feel free to add me if you're a guy that's into growth mindset, if you're trying to find your way or if you just need some pointers or some feedback, always willing to schedule a call with you.

Brandon Handley 1:04:17 Yeah, I think that's awesome that you're holding that space for these people. And, you know, you're accepting them and you're helping them. You're helping them find themselves man. And that's super important. So thank you for joining. So that's Jeremy Sloane on Facebook. And I know you're on Instagram to where should they find you on Instagram?

Jeremy Snowden 1:04:39 Instagram is bald headed Movado. It's a project that's a tongue in cheek, I'm biracial. And so I kind of take potshots at you know, the the notion that you know, what are you supposed to be then? So it's more of a tongue in cheek thanks, but I enjoy it. I love I love I'd love to connect there to all thank

Unknown Speaker 1:04:59 you Thank you so much for joining us today. Cool. Thanks, brother.

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Brandon Handley 0:01 321 A their spiritual dose, it's time for another dose of that time for another hit of that spiritual dope. Hey there guys. It's Brandon Handley. And I'm here today with an episode that is about self expression. And we're gonna dig deep into what that means for you. And we're going to take a look at, you know, we're going to take a look at this, because I think that a lot of people think about self expression as

Unknown Speaker 0:33 that thing

Brandon Handley 0:34 that everybody else sees, right? You know, when we, if we remember Madonna's Express jewels of Hey Nana, what we don't what, what we and what even what she was saying was, you know, let people see kind of what's outside of you the I think this is like the armor that most people put on to keep themselves safe versus the vulnerability as it were a being yourself and letting that come out. And that's really what we're going to get into, right? Because how do

Unknown Speaker 1:09 you approach

Brandon Handley 1:11 self expression? Right? And how can you express the approaches and maybe another way and everything that we've talked about here and the up to this point these six different pieces actually is a six seven I don't know the look of the number but uh, you know, we everything culminates into the final piece which is self expression. And that is what is within you right inside of you, the self

Unknown Speaker 1:46 coming out,

Brandon Handley 1:48 coming out of you all the way out and into being and, and so I think one of the first places I actually realized this was In

Unknown Speaker 2:01 Maslow's hierarchy

Brandon Handley 2:02 of needs of all places, you'd seen it like a million times, seen it so many times in marketing materials, mostly marketing materials, you definitely see it in psychology. And what do you think it means then? totally changes, right. And I think that this goes to the fact of when we're talking

Unknown Speaker 2:24 about reading

Brandon Handley 2:26 a book when we're talking about reading certain materials. When we're talking about rereading these things. It's not the materials that's changed. It's not the

Unknown Speaker 2:36 book that has changed. It's you.

Brandon Handley 2:40 You something about you is different. Now something about you has changed. So let's just for giggles let's go through Maslow's hierarchy of needs, right. The first one's going to be your physiological right your needs for warmth and shelter.

Unknown Speaker 3:01 First sex

Unknown Speaker 3:02 sleep, we're going to need to go through all of these

Brandon Handley 3:05 as we, you know, if you're thinking about all those things, then you really don't make it anywhere else. Right? So fundamentally, the foundation is physiological.

Unknown Speaker 3:17 The second one is safety.

Brandon Handley 3:20 You know, if you're not feeling safe, if you're not, if you're if you're in a bad space, then then you're not going anywhere, right? And I think that Examples include social stability. Next on the list is, you know, feeling loved or belonging, right, maybe you're in a certain scenario, and if you don't feel like you belong, then you're looking for

Unknown Speaker 3:43 a way to get out.

Brandon Handley 3:44 Right? You're looking for a place that was somewhere else that you can go where people understand who you are, and what it is

Unknown Speaker 3:50 that you bring to the situation,

Brandon Handley 3:52 value you. And that really brings us up to the next one is how do you feel valued, right? What is your worth? How do you feel valued? And and, you know, this comes from inside and outside. And this is I think this is this one teeters in between this is number four and this teeters in between number five, right? Because you finally get into number five and number five is is that self actualization, right? That's self actualization. And now, now that you're familiar with all these I want, I want to share something else with you that I certainly never been aware of, until kind of experiencing these things and until really just exploring Maslow's hierarchy of needs. Because when you first see this, it's very, they're very fundamental, right? very fundamental. And you just like, you're just like, Well, here are these five things. And you know, everybody needs these things. And once I know, you know, where am I marketing to, right? And once you get out of how you're applying this to everyone else out there, and you start taking on how you're applying it to you, it takes on a whole different meaning.

Unknown Speaker 5:00 Because

Brandon Handley 5:03 he talks about talks about each of these, each of these four, right, the first four physiological safety, love esteem. And, you know, these these are what they call deficiency. deficiency needs, right? So what that means is, if you don't already have these, then you're going to go get them and you're going to go you're going to go look for him. You've there's like kind of a scarcity approach to this once you and then once you go get these though, you don't seek any more of them, right? So once once you've acquired some of

Unknown Speaker 5:39 these certain spaces, to take your

Brandon Handley 5:41 housing for example, you go get a house. How many more? Do you need to make sure that you're sheltered and you're safe and you're warm and you've got a place to shower? Take sex for example, right? Once you've already had some sex for the day, at least or whatever, you know, how many more times do you need to have it? How many more times you look in the habit that day or even In a period of time

Unknown Speaker 6:03 and so

Unknown Speaker 6:04 once you've acquired

Brandon Handley 6:06 some of those things that the motivation factor you know, drastically drops what food once you've eaten once you've already had your meal for the day or the day or even lunch or snack right it's your mind is preoccupied with this is where you know self actualization is actually a little bit different, it puts us in the category of a being need and you know being need is a you know also in the grow in the growth space right. So, and the thing is is once you find this self actualization space and and you can um, you begin to grow, the desire for that increases, so, that, you know, this this is like the continuous growth continuing to, to want more of kind of That and for me, it's this is kind of my term, right this is you want another spiritual dope, you've hit a certain space, and you've gone to a certain place, you've extended beyond what you thought was possible for yourself, or you've gotten a taste of what is possible for yourself,

Unknown Speaker 7:15 if you show up and if you decide to put the effort in.

Brandon Handley 7:20 And you want more of that, right? This can happen with an athlete, this can happen with just being a badass parent. This can happen with work, this can happen with finance, you know, so this shows up in a number of different places, not just the spiritual realm. But it does it is something that once you kind of take it all in and internalized it, you begin to actualize it, and that actualization really means that you're pushing out from within what is inside of you. You're

Unknown Speaker 7:56 excuse me, it's

Brandon Handley 7:58 It is literally I mean, that's what actually realization means and you're letting that come from within and out. And I think that another word that really captures this is

Unknown Speaker 8:09 where did I get here?

Brandon Handley 8:11 I jotted down some notes here for this but enthusiasm is another one that's really big for this idea and thoughts based you know, that comment, you know, you put it together with self actualization, which is to make what is within you real on the outside, right? I mean, that's the culmination guys here. That's, that's the thoughts into things people that is that is connecting with your higher self and, you know, what, with

Unknown Speaker 8:39 within those deficiency needs,

Brandon Handley 8:41 right? Initially, it was thought that you had to have all those met, and you don't, okay, you don't have to wait until somebody else on the outside shows you that you're valued. You don't have to wait until all these other needs are met. What you want to do What if you're capable of capturing just a moment, within your mind, all that all that is possible for you. And even if it's a small thing that you think is possible for you start taking the steps towards that one thing. This is the momentum. This is that taste of growth. And once you find that for yourself, it's really hard to stop going after. It's really hard stop going after it. And so the challenge is finding it within yourself and you will 100% you will find this within yourself, you're already finding pieces of it and it's just a matter of, do you have the faith? Do you have the, the confidence in yourself to go ahead and kind of manifest that? do are you and you don't have to, you don't have to? You don't have to see it through the not see it through the DM but you don't. It's if you can see it can happen, right. This is just kind of the vision but again, so

Unknown Speaker 10:00 Taking what's within, you know,

Brandon Handley 10:03 realizing that you've got some of these other needs and just kind of understand the hierarchy of all these things and realize that there's a place that you're going to get to, if you're not already there, and if you've already tasted it, understand where it where it kind of fits and understand what some of those motivators are, and and see how it all fits. And and again, I'm gonna go back to this is this is also the springboard of enthusiasm This is also where spirituality comes into it This is also where you where I come into it and how I feel about it and my personal approach but enthusiasm, right and and Greek meaning Theo's the God, meaning God and then in Theo's possessed by God inspired right. And to let this out of you this is the expression of your actualization you know, making what is within coming To the real and I know that I've hit on it a couple times and I just want you to I just want you to see this for yourself and realize that this isn't just mindless prattle This is if any space that you look at in psychology and religion and and just kind of athletes, right? Even as athletically inclined people, this is what drives and motivates them, right once they realize that, that they can accomplish these certain things with these physical feats. And while certainly a little bit more physically visible and socially acceptable, it also works from the inside out, right? And you're gonna need to for me, I think for yourself, you need to you need to make a decision for yourself to make this leap right from and like I said, from, from humanity to divinity, right, you begin to look for evidence that this is real for you. You're able to see something inside and have it show up on the outside, right. And once you make this decision, you will find that all of the fragments of this truth for yourself up until this point will finally relate to the whole. And this is this is where I kind of want to get you to. This is where we are all working towards this is the the pinnacle, right? I mean, this is not the pinnacle of the hierarchy of needs, that once we get to this space, it becomes become so unreal, that it can't be anything but real. And, again, let's work together. If you've made it through here, I'll

Unknown Speaker 12:45 figure out some way to

Brandon Handley 12:47 help you out right if you made it all the way through all these different bits and pieces of the Divine framework, and you're still kind of curious, you know, reach out to me, pay me and we'll see if we can't create something else. In order for you to reset your filters in order for you to go ahead and make the leap from humanity to the vedi Thanks for checking it out, guys.

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