What if the secret to becoming an unstoppable leader in this chaotic and noisy world wasn’t about pushing harder, but about slowing down long enough to hear that still, small voice inside you? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn chats with Dacia Moore, a transformational speaker, counselor, and former nonprofit executive director who knows firsthand what it means to lead from a place of faith and renewal.

Dacia opens up about her journey from the corporate and education worlds into the mental health space, where she found her true calling to help others move from burnout to breakthrough. She also shares insights from her inspiring book From Stuck to Unstoppable, where she guides readers to overcome fear, rediscover purpose, and build the courage to move forward with faith and clarity.

Throughout the conversation, Dacia introduces her C.L.E.A.R. framework: Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, and Replace. It’s a practical tool that helps leaders reconnect with who they are, silence the noise, and lead with authenticity. She and Andrew also talk about the value of “margin time,” those quiet, intentional pauses that allow us to step back, reflect, and make wiser decisions.

This episode is a heartfelt reminder that leadership isn’t just about doing more. It’s about creating space to listen, grow, and let your inner wisdom lead the way.

Key Takeaways

• Spiritual Awakening Through Adversity: Dacia’s divorce became the catalyst for her spiritual and professional rebirth, inspiring her to help others navigate pain with faith and purpose.

• Faith as a North Star: Integrity, consistency, and inner guidance, what she calls listening to the Holy Spirit, are the foundation of resilient leadership.

• Leadership is an Inside Job: Your internal state, managing burnout, self-doubt, and overwhelm, directly impacts your effectiveness and the well-being of your team.

• Listen to Your Inner Voice: Whether you call it the Holy Spirit, intuition, or a gut feeling, learning to heed that "still, small voice" is a non-negotiable skill for wise decision-making.

• The CLEAR Framework: Dacia’s CLEAR framework (Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, Replace) guides leaders to assess where they are, unlearn limiting beliefs, and cultivate habits that align with abundance and authenticity.

In This Episode:

• [00:01] Dacia’s early career in hospitality and sales

• [00:28] Transition to mental health and education

• [01:01] Podcast introduction

• [03:10] Dacia’s leadership background and family influence

• [04:42] Lessons on leadership styles and personal growth

• [07:21] Professional journey: retail, hospitality, education, nonprofit

• [09:05] Entering the mental health nonprofit sector

• [12:07] Spirituality and integrity in leadership

• [13:39] Burnout, listening to inner voice, and career transitions

• [15:50] Inclusivity in spirituality and the inner voice

• [19:15] Rediscovering self and purpose

• [21:32] Current work: coaching, consulting, and book

• [24:28] The journey from stuck to unstoppable

• [29:00] The CLEAR framework for leadership development

• [31:57] Resources and ways to connect

• [33:20] Nonprofit sector challenges and hope

• [36:16] The importance of discernment and inner wisdom

• [36:45] Practical spirituality and quieting the mind

• [38:39] Tactics for breaking out of busyness

• [41:35] Closing remarks and contact information

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406⁠

Dacia Moore

• Website:⁠https://www.secondwindcc.com/⁠

• Personal Site:⁠https://www.daciamoore.com/⁠

• Newsletter:⁠ https://www.swsnippet.com/⁠

• LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/daciamooreswcc⁠

• Book:⁠ From Stuck to Unstoppable⁠

Andrew Cohn

• Website: ⁠https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/⁠

• LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/⁠

Music: 

• Kodiak: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe⁠

Have you ever walked into a room and instantly felt the energy shift before a single word was spoken? What if leadership isn’t just about what you say or do, but the energy you broadcast every day?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with executive coach Anna Pool to explore the true frequency of leadership and how our internal state quietly shapes every meeting, decision, and connection. Anna’s story is extraordinary. She spent 20 years in an ashram devoted to meditation, yoga, and service before her spiritual community collapsed under the weight of betrayal. That loss became her greatest teacher, leading her from the ashram to the boardroom, where she now helps leaders embody authentic, energetic presence.

Together, they unpack Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness and what it reveals about courage, fear, and the “green zone” of leadership, where creativity and clarity thrive. Anna shares how awareness and intention can transform not only your leadership, but the very atmosphere around you.

It’s a fascinating look at how to lead with your energy, not just your words, and why what you broadcast matters more than you think.

Key Takeaways

• Your Energy Precedes You: Leaders are constantly broadcasting an emotional frequency that directly impacts team morale, engagement, and psychological safety.

• The Map of Consciousness: A visual model for understanding emotional states, from reactive, low-frequency zones (shame, fear, anger) to creative, high-frequency zones (courage, acceptance, love).

• Courage is the Threshold: Effective, purposeful leadership becomes consistently accessible at the level of "Courage," where we move from reactivity to possibility and choice.

• Non-Judgmental Self-Awareness is Key: The most critical skill for spiritual and leadership growth is the ability to observe your own state without criticism, creating space for conscious change.

• Practical Resets Work: Simple interventions like brief guided meditations or "green zone exercises" can quickly shift a group's energy, leading to more productive and insightful outcomes.

• Executive Presence Reimagined: The elusive quality of "executive presence" is deeply connected to one's ability to broadcast calm, confident, and creative frequencies.

In This Episode:

• [00:01] Anna’s ashram years and early awakening

• [04:44] What led her to drop out of college and join the community

• [08:41] Roles and leadership within the ashram

• [09:51] Marriage, vows, and challenges of communal life

• [10:49] The scandal that changed everything

• [12:57] Transitioning from ashram life to professional coaching

• [16:07] Discovering Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness

• [20:42] The importance of non-judgmental self-awareness

• [23:36] Connecting spiritual insight to corporate leadership

• [24:48] The “green zone” and the courage frequency

• [30:38] Feeling versus thinking, how emotion drives energy

• [33:09] How leaders broadcast energy and influence others

• [36:13] Introducing spirituality in business without alienating teams

• [38:18] Redefining executive presence through vibrational leadership

• [41:17] Anna’s book on possibility thinking

• [42:21] The “green zone” mindfulness exercise

• [43:31] Why energy work belongs in every leadership toolkit

• [45:07] Where to find and connect with Anna

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Anna Pool

• Website:https://executivesavvyinc.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-pool-26a61110/

• Book: Creating Futures That Matter: Facilitating Change Through Shared Vision

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Referenced 

• David Hawkins — Map of Consciousness Explained

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why you think the way you think? Or what drives the choices you make every day in your work, your relationships, your leadership?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Pablo Sillas Domínguez, a human relations executive and author of Heartset. Pablo shares his powerful personal journey from being a successful but workaholic HR director, whom he describes as the "wolf" of his own family, to embarking on a profound spiritual and transformational path.

The catalyst for this change was a pivotal question from a coach: "Do you know why you think the way you think?" This launched Pablo on a years-long journey of introspection, unlearning, and integrating his reason with his emotions and intuition. He explains that this personal awakening mirrors a larger societal issue, where a hyper-competitive, ego-driven mindset has led to widespread stress and disconnection.

Pablo introduces key concepts from his book, including "field thoughts," (the fusion of feeling and thinking), "charisms," (spiritual gifts), and “meditaction,” (combining meditation with action for the common good). He argues for bringing vulnerability and our whole selves into the workplace, moving from seeing people as disposable resources to recognizing them as indispensable individuals. The conversation offers a practical and aspirational framework for leaders to cultivate purpose, meaning, and healthier organizations.

Key Takeaways

• From ego to essence: Real transformation begins by asking honest questions about why we think and feel the way we do.

• Three pillars of being: Growth requires balance between reason, emotion, and intuition.

• The Heartset framework: Shifting from competition to awareness creates space for genuine connection and shared purpose.

• Unlearning to become: Letting go of old patterns and roles reveals authenticity and freedom.

• Vulnerability as strength: Honest openness builds empathy, trust, and deeper relationships in the workplace.

• Field thoughts and tharisms: Spiritual practices that turn personal growth into collective uplift.

• Meditation in action: True mindfulness lives in behavior, not just reflection.

In This Episode:

• [00:01] Pablo’s awakening and spiritual transformation
• [03:27] Early career, success, and lessons from overwork
• [06:45] Realizing the cost of ego-driven ambition
• [08:15] The question that changed everything
• [10:01] Learning to feel, listen, and grow through awareness
• [12:25] The system and cultural conditioning of the ego
• [14:13] The missing half of human competencies
• [16:30] The path from ego to self to integration
• [18:14] Understanding “tharisms” and spiritual gifts
• [20:47] Unlearning to be yourself
• [23:10] Living authenticity within corporate systems
• [25:20] Vulnerability and seniority as mature leadership
• [28:26] Building trust through empathy
• [32:10] Introducing “field thoughts” and new paradigms for culture
• [39:19] Meditation and the call to act with awareness
• [42:11] Music, food, and creativity as channels for connection
• [45:12] Where to find Pablo’s book and playlists
• [46:23] Closing reflections
  Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406




Pablo Sillas Domínguez

• Website: https://pablosillas.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pablosillas/?locale=en_US

• Book by Pablo Sillas Domínguez: Heartset: The Renaissance 2.0 of Sapiens and Conscious Organizations

• Heartset: https://a.co/d/2Z0MqN6




Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/




Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe
  

What if the key to a longer, healthier, and more successful life isn’t found in a diet or workout plan, but in what you believe, where your faith itself could help you live longer and thrive?

In this compelling episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Harold Koenig, a preeminent scholar from Duke University's Center for Spirituality, Theology and Health. With over four decades of research, Dr. Koenig shares powerful, evidence-based insights on the undeniable connection between religious faith and well-being.

He reveals how faith, on average, leads to greater happiness, better mental health, and even a longer lifespan by 7-14 years. The mechanisms are clear: faith provides meaning, fosters strong social support, and encourages healthier behaviors. But what about non-believers? Dr. Koenig discusses his book, Spiritual Readiness, explaining that anyone can achieve similar benefits by cultivating a positive belief system, a strong community, and moral habits, though he notes this is often easier within a religious framework.

The conversation also explores the practical application of this research in leadership and healthcare, highlighting how faith-inspired leaders often create more inclusive and productive workplaces. This episode is a fascinating look at how nurturing our spiritual core can be a profound asset for personal and professional success.

Key Takeaways

Faith and health are scientifically linked: Decades of peer-reviewed research show that religious or spiritual belief correlates with greater happiness, longer life expectancy, and better mental health.

Non-believers benefit too: A positive belief system, moral habits, and strong social connections can provide similar health outcomes though sustaining them without a faith tradition can be challenging.

Global evidence: Studies in Christianity, Islam, Judaism, Hinduism, and Buddhism consistently reveal similar patterns of improved health and resilience.

Healthcare opportunity: Despite overwhelming evidence, most healthcare systems neglect patients’ spiritual needs, though medical schools are slowly integrating this dimension into training.

In This Episode:

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Dr. Harold Koenig

• Website: https://spiritualityandhealth.duke.edu/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/harold-koenig-5a1544283

• Books by Dr. Harold Koenig: The Healing Power of Faith, Spiritual Readiness: A Guide for Non-Believers, and Handbook of Religion and Health  (3rd Edition, 2024)

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if the most powerful tool a leader has isn’t a strategy, a speech, or even a brilliant plan, but is instead silence? In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with María José Sánchez, a leadership consultant, executive coach, and author based in Madrid, Spain.

During the conversation, María shares her fascinating journey from telecommunications engineer to leadership mentor, showing how she combines her analytical, scientific side with the deeper wisdom of silence and spirituality. She talks about how silence reshaped her leadership style, helping her move from being pushy and results-driven to leading with calm, presence, and authenticity. For her, true leadership impact begins from within, by taking time to pause, reconnect with yourself, and then return to the outside world with clarity, energy, and insight.

She also introduces her idea of “spiritual snacks,” short pauses throughout the day to recharge and realign, and her “five-finger rule,” a practical tool for managing thoughts that reminds leaders to take ownership of their inner state, let go of unhelpful thinking, and focus on positivity, resilience, and trust.

María highlights her books and her digital leadership platform, Lidero, which offers simple, accessible lessons from her decades of experience. This episode is an inspiring reminder that real leadership always starts from within.

Key Takeaways

• Leadership impact comes from the inside; silence fosters wisdom, clarity, and presence.

• Experience precedes understanding; leaders must invite others into experiences, not just explanations.

• Daily practices of silence, meditation, and “spiritual snacks” keep leaders grounded and energized.

• Self-discipline is essential for freedom and sustained transformation, much like physical training.

• Preparation is less about perfect words and more about the state of being a leader brings into the room.

• True leadership is a virtuous cycle: inner stillness fuels outer effectiveness, which in turn deepens inner growth.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction

• [01:19] Introduction to María José Sánchez

• [03:31] María's journey from engineering to leadership

• [06:41] The power of silence in leadership

• [10:25] Practical applications of inner wisdom

• [14:56] Inviting leaders to experience inner wisdom

• [18:34] Daily practices for inner connection

• [23:36] The importance of inner state in conversations

• [24:47] A magical moment with the CEO

• [26:02] The role of preparation and presence

• [26:51] Spirituality in leadership

• [28:33] Self-discipline and daily practice

• [32:45] Navigating change and uncertainty

• [35:38] The five finger rule for managing thoughts

• [39:32] María Jose's books and resources

• [43:44] Conclusion and final thoughts

  
  

  Resources and Links

  Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

  • https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

  
  

  María José Sánchez

  • Website: sanchezyagoo.com

  • Leadership Consultancy: creatingahuman.com

  • Leadership Platform: aceleratolead.com

  • LinkedIn: mariajosesanchezyago

  • Book shop: https://sanchezyago.com/product-list/

  
  

  Andrew Cohn

  • Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

  • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

  
  

  Music: 

  • Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

  
  

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership Podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Greg Stebbins, a pioneer in the intersection of spirituality, wisdom, and leadership. With decades of experience as a coach, consultant, and educator, Greg shares the importance of self-inquiry, values alignment, and transcendent leadership—an approach rooted in reflection, presence, and authentic connection.Greg reflects on his upbringing in a military family, his spiritual journey (inspired by his mother, “Swami Mommy”), and his path from sales and consulting to founding his leadership development practice. He emphasizes that true leadership requires ongoing wisdom development, aligning beliefs and values, and uncovering the authentic self beneath ego-driven facades.Together, Andrew and Greg explore how prayer, meditation, and contemplation foster clarity, how leaders can embody presence rather than simply perform it, and why younger generations are demanding congruence between words and actions in business. Their conversation weaves personal stories, practical tools, and deep reflections on what it means to lead from the inside out.Key Takeaways

• Spirituality and wisdom are deeply connected, and leadership growth comes from developing inner wisdom.

• Transcendent leadership goes beyond charisma and relies on authentic presence and self-awareness.

• Gen Z leaders and employees expect alignment between words and actions, with little tolerance for hypocrisy.

• Practices like prayer, meditation, and contemplation bring clarity to decision-making, emotions, and vision.

• A leader’s values shape their organization’s purpose, making values alignment critical for trust and direction.

• Genuine presence cannot be faked; it emerges naturally from compassion, empathy, and love.
  

In This Episode:

• [00:01] Historical connection between spirituality and wisdom
• [01:00] Introducing the podcast and guest
• [03:39] Greg’s background: military family and spiritual beginnings
• [07:20] Professional path: sales, consulting, and leadership
• [10:01] Shifts in business receptivity to spirituality
• [11:42] Practices for integrating spirituality in leadership
• [15:49] Wisdom through experience and self-inquiry
• [19:06] Never-ending wisdom and interpersonal skills
• [20:34] Defining meditation, contemplation, and prayer
• [22:30] Values hierarchies and organizational alignment
• [24:17] Ego vs. authentic self in leadership
• [25:39] Charisma, presence, and holding space
• [27:12] Generational learning and leadership evolution
• [28:43] Ego’s role and command-and-control cultures
• [29:08] Reconciling military upbringing with spiritual path
• [33:27] Self-inquiry, self-reflection, and wisdom moments
• [35:56] Challenges with 360-degree feedback
• [39:36] Self-awareness and organizational alignment
• [41:07] Respecting values and purpose in teams
• [42:48] Closing and contact information
  Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406




Gregg Stebbins

• Phone contact: (310) 433-5020

• Website: https://peoplesavvy.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/gregstebbins




Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/




Music: 

• Kodiak: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe
  

In this episode of the Spirituality and Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Natalie Byrne, founder of the impact and communications firm, Blank Space. Natalie shares her unique approach to helping brands, philanthropists, and leaders align their values with their work, whether it's launching a foundation, shaping a brand's legacy, or navigating a company through big transitions. Her methodology, “Blank Space,” is all about clearing the noise, getting centered, and building from a place of deep intention and purpose.

Natalie and Andrew explore how spirituality, personal alignment, and humanness play a powerful role in leadership today. From her work with global companies to advising families on their philanthropic efforts, Natalie emphasizes the importance of living your legacy every day, not just leaving one behind. The conversation flows with warmth, humor, and authenticity, touching on everything from meditation and embodiment to corporate strategy and systems change. If you’ve ever wondered how your values can fuel your work in meaningful ways, this episode is full of insight.

Key Takeaways

• Blank Space Is a Leadership Practice: Creating “blank space” means removing the noise, making room for clarity, and allowing alignment and intuition to guide action.

• Legacy Starts Now: Legacy is not what you leave behind. It’s how you live every day. Whether you’re a parent, philanthropist, or executive, you’re always building it.

• Alignment Beats Overwhelm: Saying no to what doesn’t align with your values opens up the space to do what matters most with impact and ease.

• Language Shapes Leadership: Words like “climate change” or “diversity” carry weight. Reframing with inclusivity can unite rather than divide.

• Leadership Is Human: Congruence across our spiritual practices, business lives, and everyday actions is the future of meaningful leadership.

In This Episode:

• [00:02] Introduction and setting the stage

• [03:16] Natalie’s path and Blank Space origins

• [06:39] Leadership and societal impact

• [08:32] Spirituality, alignment, and everyday practice

• [11:09] Defining Blank Space

• [14:23] Blank Space in action and methodology

• [16:28] Blank Space method: process and application

• [19:45] Legacy, storytelling, and brand language

• [21:34] Overcoming resistance and creating alignment

• [23:26] The power of language and framing

• [25:12] The role of saying no and strategic focus

• [28:29] Client examples and impact stories

• [33:18] Spirituality, values, and inclusive language

• [36:13] Humanness, nature, and reducing categories

• [38:02] Opportunity for reflection and kindness

• [40:25] Alignment, embodiment, and leading with heart

• [41:21] Closing and where to learn more

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Natalie Byrne

• Website: https://www.blankspaceworks.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/nataliebyrne

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with world-renowned horseman Warwick Schiller for a deeply personal and profound conversation on transformation, emotional intelligence, and the unexpected teachers in life: horses. 

Warwick opens up about his journey from high-level competition and the pursuit of external validation to a more grounded, spiritually attuned approach to life and horsemanship. What started as trying to “fix” a talented but quirky horse became a mirror that revealed suppressed emotions, judgmental thinking, and the need for deeper connection with self and others. That turning point led him to therapy, self-inquiry, and eventually, the work of Brené Brown, whose insights on vulnerability and emotional suppression hit him like a lightning bolt.

Warwick shares how therapy, vulnerability, and learning to truly “see” rather than judge, whether a horse or a human reshaped not only how he trains, but how he lives. He explores how presence, empathy, and self-awareness create real leadership, both in and out of the arena. 

If you’ve ever felt that personal growth could come from the most unlikely of places, this episode is for you.

Key Takeaways

• Horses Mirror Our Inner State: Often, the behavior we’re trying to “fix” in others, horse or human, reflects unresolved energy within ourselves.

• Presence Over Patience: True leadership comes from being deeply present, not just waiting for a desired outcome.

• Judgment Undermines Connection: Becoming aware of judgmental thoughts, especially self-judgment, creates space for compassion, clarity, and healing.

• You Can’t Lead What You Haven’t Met in Yourself: Personal growth and leadership are intimately tied; as we heal ourselves, we lead better.

• Functional Doesn’t Mean Whole: Like people, some horses appear to perform well but are emotionally shut down. Healing begins with seeing.

• The Universe Responds to Purity of Intention: True service, offered without expectation, opens unexpected doors.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction and personal realization
• [00:16] The transformative power of horses
• [01:00] Introduction to Warwick Schiller
• [02:38] Warwick Schiller's journey and insights
• [04:49] The shift from competition to personal growth
• [08:06] Therapy and emotional awareness
• [10:15] Impact of therapy on horse training
• [23:38] Judgmental thoughts and personal growth
• [35:06] The magic of giving without expectation
• [39:58] Exploring sensitivity: Horses vs. humans
• [42:46] Understanding the root cause: The five whys
• [45:07] Patience vs. presence: Lessons from horses
• [51:37] Seeing without judgment: A new perspective
• [01:00:52] The power of purpose: A personal journey
• [01:10:50] Conclusion: Applying wisdom beyond horses
  

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406




Warwick Schiller

• Website: https://go.warwickschiller.com/online-horse-trainer

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/warwick-schiller-23b76968

• Facebook Fanpage: https://www.facebook.com/Warwickschillerfanpage/

• Facebook Group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/WarwickSchillerPerformanceHorsemanship/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/warwickschiller




Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/




Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this powerful episode, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks, clinical psychologist, executive coach, and host of The Voice of Leadership podcast. With decades of experience, including as an Army psychologist and senior faculty at the Center for Creative Leadership, Dr. Karen shares how deep faith and a spirit of service have shaped her approach to leadership.

Karen opens up about her early struggles to integrate spirituality with psychology and how she became a pioneering voice encouraging others to bring their whole selves, including their spiritual dimension, into the workplace. She reflects on the meaning of eldership as witnessing and blessing, and how modeling peace and presence can be more powerful than words.

Together, Andrew and Karen explore how spiritual grounding, especially her Christian faith, can support leaders through uncertainty, foster inclusive workplaces, and serve as an anchor in turbulent times. Whether it’s leading through riots, coaching executives one-on-one, or mentoring the next generation, Karen’s presence and perspective offer wisdom for leaders of all kinds.

Key Takeaways

• Leadership begins with self-leadership. As Karen says, “You are the instrument of your leadership” — and that instrument needs regular tuning.

• Spirituality adds depth to leadership. Leaders of faith can draw from inner peace, presence, and purpose — even in secular settings.

• Eldership means modeling, mentoring, and blessing. Being an elder is about showing what’s possible and supporting others on their path.

• Peace is contagious. A grounded leader sets the emotional tone for an entire organization.

• Respectful inclusion is essential. Faith-based leadership can be offered with openness and humility, never imposition.

• We influence more than we know. Whether through family, clients, or peers, our presence creates ripples beyond our awareness.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction to eldership and wisdom

• [01:06] Welcome to the podcast

• [01:41] Introducing Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks

• [05:13] Dr. Karen's journey in psychology and spirituality

• [06:14] Challenges in combining psychology and spirituality

• [09:55] The role of elders in different cultures

• [12:59] The importance of role models

• [17:20] Spirituality in leadership

• [18:34] Integrating faith in professional settings

• [23:57] Leveraging faith to lead with peace

• [25:44] The CEO's influence on organizational peace

• [26:14] Finding personal peace in leadership

• [27:13] Jesus as a model for peaceful leadership

• [28:03] Modeling peace in the workplace

• [29:26] The impact of faith on leadership

• [33:08] Changes in workplace spirituality

• [39:30] Balancing faith and inclusivity in leadership

• [40:49] Practical examples of faith in leadership

• [44:42] Conclusion and resources

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Dr. Karen Wilson-Starks

• Podcast: The Voice of Leadership

• Website: https://transleadership.com/

• YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCbX0XrG1TknGthurUMnFXdA

• Email: [email protected]

• Book: Lead Yourself First: The Senior Leader’s Guide to Engaging Your People for Greater Performance and Impact

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 
Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this eye-opening episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn is joined by Bond Snodgrass—banker, sustainability entrepreneur, and creator of Awakened Economics—for a rich conversation about reimagining how we lead, measure success, and shape the systems we live in.

Bond shares his personal journey from the high-stakes world of global finance to a deeper spiritual awakening sparked by a health crisis. That turning point led him to question the economic assumptions we take for granted—especially the idea that growth always equals progress. Together, Bond and Andrew explore how leaders can bring more consciousness into business—without sacrificing performance.

From ESG investing and stakeholder capitalism to redefining what we even mean by “value,” this episode offers bold ideas and grounded insights for leaders who want to build organizations that serve both people and the planet. It’s part vision, part toolkit—and all heart.

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Key Takeaways

• Spirituality in business is possible: High-consciousness leadership doesn’t negate profitability—it deepens responsibility.

• Stakeholder capitalism expands the definition of who matters in business beyond shareholders to include employees, communities, and the planet.

• Sustainability is multidimensional: It encompasses economic viability, social responsibility, and environmental stewardship.

• Young professionals care: Gen Z and Millennials are driving demand for purpose-driven companies and ESG transparency.

• Economics can evolve: Bond’s “awakened definition” of economics centers on interdependence, service, and sustainable well-being—replacing outdated models of infinite self-interest.

• Progress, not perfection: Even small commitments to sustainability or spiritual values by leaders can make meaningful shifts.

  
  

  In This Episode:

  • [00:00:01] Bond’s spiritual awakening and health crisis

  • [00:00:52] Introduction to the podcast and guest

  • [00:03:57] Bond’s career journey and spirituality

  • [00:07:04] The genesis of awakened economics

  • [00:08:24] High consciousness in business

  • [00:09:31] Defining spirituality and connection

  • [00:10:39] Applying spirituality to business and sustainability

  • [00:11:38] Community and the conscious business movement

  • [00:13:01] Shareholder vs. stakeholder capitalism

  • [00:14:22] Three pillars of sustainability

  • [00:16:18] Defining sustainability and its origins

  • [00:17:52] Theoretical vs. practical impact for leaders

  • [00:19:08] Progress and CEO commitment

  • [00:20:55] ESG reporting and market demand

  • [00:23:10] Growth and pushback in ESG investing

  • [00:25:04] Complexity and lack of standards in sustainability

  • [00:26:53] Challenges for corporations in sustainability

  • [00:27:56] Responding to business leader skepticism

  • [00:30:13] Benefits of sustainability for business

  • [00:32:42] Sustainable finance and green bonds

  • [00:32:56] Regional differences in sustainability practices

  • [00:35:26] Trends and the future of sustainability

  • [00:37:09] Challenges in ESG implementation

  • [00:38:15] Political pushback and communication issues

  • [00:39:30] Economic benefits of sustainability initiatives

  • [00:41:26] Introduction to awakened economics

  • [00:41:33] Critique of neoclassical economics

  • [00:44:06] Proposing a conscious economic model

  • [00:46:25] Awakened definition of economics

  • [00:49:41] Resources and closing

  
  Resources and Links

  Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

  • https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

  
  

  Bond Snodgrass

  • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/bond-snodgrass-99274932/en

  • Awakened Economics: https://awakenedeconomics.substack.com/

  
  

  Andrew Cohn

  • Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

  • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

  
  

  Music: 

  • Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe