Most meetings begin with urgency. People arrive distracted, carrying the residue of the last conversation and already thinking about the next one. But what if leadership started with something different, a moment to arrive, breathe, and truly listen?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Craig Souza to explore how mindfulness, presence, and deep listening can transform the way leaders show up at work. Craig is the president of the Conscious Leadership Guild, a former enterprise sales leader at HP, and a mindfulness teacher who has spent years helping leaders integrate awareness and emotional intelligence into everyday leadership.

Craig shares how his journey into spirituality began unexpectedly through recovery and later evolved into bringing mindfulness practices into corporate environments. What began as a side interest eventually became a powerful way to help teams connect more deeply, communicate more effectively, and create healthier workplace cultures.

Throughout the conversation, Craig introduces simple practices leaders can use immediately, from beginning meetings with a minute of presence to practicing mindful listening. These small shifts create space for deeper understanding, stronger relationships, and more thoughtful decision-making.

The discussion also explores Craig’s work with the Conscious Leadership Guild, a community of leaders committed to personal growth and responsible leadership. At its heart, conscious leadership begins with inner work. It involves recognizing how we show up in the world and taking responsibility for our impact.

This episode offers practical ways leaders can bring mindfulness and humanity into everyday interactions and discover how powerful true listening can be.

Key Takeaways

• Start With Presence: Beginning meetings with a brief pause or breath helps people transition from busyness into focused attention.

• Mindful Listening Builds Trust: When leaders truly listen without interrupting or solving, people feel seen and heard.

• Small Practices Create Big Change: Simple habits like three mindful breaths can shift the tone of conversations and decisions.

• Bring Your Whole Self to Work: Leadership becomes more authentic when we stop separating who we are at work from who we are in life.

• Leadership Begins With Inner Work: Conscious leadership starts by taking responsibility for how we show up and how our presence affects others.

• Listening Is a Leadership Skill: Structured listening practices reveal insights and emotions that often remain hidden in normal conversations.

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Craig Souza

• Website: https://businessawakens.com

• Medium: https://medium.com/@craigsouza

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/souzacraig/

• Conscious Leadership Guild: consciousleadershipguild.org

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 
Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

How often do we pause to ask ourselves, “Who am I?” or notice where our focus really is before making a choice? Can we find purpose not as a destination but as a gentle unfolding, and recognize that real power lies not in control, but in the ability to choose again and again?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with Russell Bishop to explore the intersection of leadership, personal transformation, and choice. Russell is a veteran leader in personal and organizational development, creator of Insight Seminars, and author of Workarounds That Work and From Self-Talk to Soul Talk. His work has impacted over a million people across 43 countries, guiding leaders and teams toward clarity, alignment, and purpose. Rather than pushing for dramatic change, he invites leaders to consider something subtler and more powerful: alignment with purpose.

Together, they unpack the difference between decisions and choices, between chasing outcomes and understanding the experience we’re truly seeking. Russell offers compelling examples from aerospace, healthcare, and corporate strategy to show how clarity of purpose unlocks creativity, collaboration, and momentum, often in places where progress once felt impossible.

At the heart of the episode is a simple but radical idea: real power comes from recognizing our ability to choose and choose again. When leaders learn to listen beyond self-talk and tune into what Russell calls “soul talk,” they create space for wiser action, deeper connection, and more humane organizations.

This episode is an invitation to slow down, ask better questions, and lead from a place that’s both grounded and awake.

Key Takeaways

• Awakening is gentle: Lasting transformation and purpose emerge through inquiry by asking “Why does this matter?” not force or being told to wake up.

• Choice Over Decision: Decisions often close doors; choices keep possibilities alive.

• You are a transceiver: We constantly transmit and receive thoughts. The frequency with which we hold onto safety, possibility, or fear shapes teams and outcomes.

• Self-Talk vs. Soul Talk: The loud inner voice reacts from fear, while the quieter voice leads from wisdom and alignment.

• Reward the complainer: Complaints signal care. Inviting and rewarding constructive criticism turns resistance into innovation.
  

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Awakening and purpose

• [01:32] Guest introduction: Russell Bishop

• [02:53] Conversation setup and welcome

• [04:01] Russell’s spiritual and activist background

• [06:05] Self-talk vs. soul talk

• [09:10] Awakening heart and transformation

• [10:16] Personal to professional: consulting journey

• [15:39] Purpose and fulfillment in modern times

• [16:39] The five whys and deepening purpose

• [17:57] Focus, choice, and empowerment

• [21:22] Decision vs. choice

• [23:20] Attachment to decisions and organizational behavior

• [30:12] Leadership, orders, and redefining success

• [31:14] Knowing when to quit: decision-making lessons

• [32:15] Medical device partnership case study

• [36:26] Fear vs. possibility and focus

• [38:44] Tuning in: the power of focus and preparation

• [44:02] Inner process and leadership support

• [45:20] Seeing the invisible: inner vision and leadership

• [48:49] Best practices and culture

• [50:34] Call center encouraging contributions and rewarding complaints

• [52:32] How to connect with Russell

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Russell Bishop

• Website: https://www.russellbishop.com

• LinkedIn:https://www.linkedin.com/in/russellbishop1

• Email: [email protected]

• Russell's Latest Book: From Self-Talk to Soul Talk: Being More of Who You Already Are

• Russell's Previous Book: Workarounds That Work

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 

Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Imagine a young boy with cerebral palsy, limping into summer camp, quietly asking a teenage counselor to teach him how to tie his shoes, not because he couldn’t learn, but because he craved twenty minutes of undivided, caring attention from an adult who truly saw him. That small act of vulnerability sparked a lifelong mission for Stu Semigran, co-founder of the EduCare Foundation, to create spaces where every child, and every person, feels honored, valued, and capable of extraordinary growth.

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn reconnects with Stu Semigran to explore how love, compassion, and practical “Heartset®” principles can transform education, organizations, and leadership itself. Over 35 years, EduCare has reached hundreds of thousands of students, especially in underserved communities, proving that when cultures of kindness, listening, and forgiveness flourish, both academic results and personal fulfillment thrive.

Stu shares his journey from a rebellious young teacher to nonprofit leader, illustrating how seeing the best in others, even when they cannot see it themselves, creates the Pygmalion Effect in real time. The conversation explores the eight Heartset skills: honoring, praising, heart-centered listening, choice, forgiveness, conflict resolution, turning challenges into opportunities, and service, showing how these timeless practices bridge spirituality and high-accountability environments naturally and effectively.

This episode offers educators, leaders, and anyone seeking more heart in high-stakes settings both inspiration and actionable wisdom.

Key Takeaways

• Authentic care and kindness create environments where learning thrives; people respond deeply when they feel seen and valued.

• Shift from cognitive growth to a "growth heartset" through eight skills: honoring, praising/encouraging, listening from the heart, power of choice, forgiveness, resolving conflict, using challenges as opportunities, and giving/receiving service.

• Believing in others’ potential helps them rise, shown by gains in test scores and graduations.

• Letting go of judgments frees energy for growth; it’s not excusing harm but releasing its lasting poison.

• Honest feedback, celebrating wins, and building trust turn organizations into learning cultures.

• Nurturing heart-centered skills helps youth grow into compassionate, courageous leaders, creating lasting hope and impact.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Introduction

• [01:36] Meet Stu Semigran, co-founder of the Educare Foundation

• [03:40] Stu’s story and his connection to spirituality in leadership

• [05:58] Growth and impact of Educare Foundation

• [06:31] Philosophy of education: curiosity and individuality

• [07:37] Serving underserved students and changing perceptions

• [09:57] Building a culture of caring and kindness in classrooms

• [12:03] Leadership in education and organizations

• [13:15] Being vs. doing in leadership

• [15:18] Stu’s spiritual framework and the principles that inform his work

• [23:30] The power of vulnerability and asking for help

• [25:26] Letting go and empowering others

• [27:19] The intersection of love and accountability in education leadership

• [29:52] Celebrating success and positive feedback

• [35:14] Defining forgiveness and letting go of judgments

• [37:21] Conflict resolution and the four truths

• [38:08] Service, giving, and the cycle of heart set skills

• [41:18] Youth leadership and service in action

• [43:28] Stu’s contact information

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Stu Semigran

• https://www.amazon.com/Heartset-Education-Way-Living-Learning/dp/1735913030

• www.educarefoundation.com

• www.greatergood.berkeley.edu

• www.afterschoolalliance.org

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Did you know that being truly present can impact your surroundings as much as an athlete's performance on the field? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with longtime friend, colleague, and leadership coach Stephen McGhee for a conversation about presence, wisdom, and leading from the inside out. Rather than offering formulas or techniques, Stephen shares a way of being, one rooted in listening, humility, and what he calls “keeping altitude.”

The conversation explores how spirituality shows up in leadership without being imposed through language or labels. Stephen introduces his idea of a “ladder of consciousness,” where service and love sit at the highest rungs, and explains why leaders do more good when they resist inflicting their own beliefs and instead stay curious about how others experience meaning and integrity.

A central theme is presence. Stephen reflects on how presence itself “pays,” not as a transaction, but because whatever we carry emotionally and spiritually gets transmitted into rooms, relationships, and decisions. Leaders, he suggests, shape outcomes simply by how present, grounded, and authentic they are.

Stephen also shares his personal experience of losing his home in the Pacific Palisades fires. He speaks candidly about grief, rejecting “toxic positivity,” and honoring the importance of process, allowing pain, meaning, and gratitude to unfold in their own time. Through this story, the principles of presence, listening, and acceptance become real and lived.

If you've faced unexpected hardship or seek ways to integrate spirituality practically into leadership and life, this episode is a must-listen.

Key Takeaways

• Presence Pays: Authentic presence transmits energy and value; it's contagious and foundational to effective leadership and relationships.

• Avoid Inflicting Language: Honor others' spirituality without imposing your own vernacular, keep "altitude" for genuine connection.

• Listening as Mastery: True listening includes content, context, and inner self-awareness to respond freshly, not reactively.

• Process Over Bypass: Grieve fully and avoid toxic positivity; proper processing turns pain into learning and strength.

• Use Everything for Advancement: Cooperate with what is, accept without judgment, and trust that challenges contribute to soul growth.

• Gratitude in the Present: Life's impermanence awakens deeper appreciation for moments, relationships, and unfolding grace.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Opening on spiritual guidance and not inflicting language

• [00:29] The ladder of consciousness and keeping altitude

• [02:38] How Andrew and Stephen met; shared spiritual community

• [04:16] Stephen's corporate roots and shift to soul-aligned leadership

• [07:34] Practical principles for inclusive spiritual conversations

• [10:34] Presence pays and what that really means

• [12:27] Authenticity in presence; impact on others

• [14:18] Getting present before conversations

• [15:41] The power of deep listening (content, context, inner)

• [18:18] Avoiding labels and prejudice for better connection

• [21:41] The Palisades Fire: Evacuation and immediate aftermath

• [23:56] Toxic positivity vs. healthy processing

• [26:44] Acceptance, grieving, and timing

• [28:30] Returning to the site; small victories amid loss

• [30:38] A profound sunset experience from the ashes

• [35:38] Where to find Stephen's work

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Stephen McGhee

• https://www.mcgheeleadership.com/

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/stephenmcgheeleadership/

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Rodney King, philosophical coach, former martial arts practitioner, global educator, and scholar to delve into meaning, leadership, and what it really takes to live well. Rodney shares his extraordinary journey, from growing up in poverty in Johannesburg and surviving a violent environment, to becoming a globally respected martial arts teacher, and ultimately facing a life-altering health crisis that forced him to rethink everything.

Rodney reflects on how martial arts first became a way to survive, then a profession, and eventually a doorway into something much deeper–philosophy as a lived practice. After decades of physical training, travel, and high performance, a diagnosis of CTE-like symptoms brought his fighting career to an abrupt halt. What could have been the end instead became a turning point. Through philosophy, solitude, and reconnecting with nature, Rodney began to ask different questions, not “How do I push harder?” but “What is the meaning of this moment?”

Together, Andrew and Rodney delve into how modern culture’s obsession with speed, optimization, and productivity often pulls us away from our inner wisdom. Rodney challenges listeners to do the opposite of what the modern world demands, slow down, embrace unstructured time, and rediscover awe in everyday moments. From walking without a destination to simply being bored, these “unoptimized” practices become gateways to clarity, creativity, and healing.

This episode is a thoughtful invitation to leaders, and all of us, to rethink success, listen more deeply, and reconnect with what truly matters. It’s not about having all the answers, but about learning to ask better questions and creating space for wisdom to emerge.

Key Takeaways

• From Toughness to Wisdom: Early survival instincts may build strength, but true leadership requires reflection, meaning, and inner authority.

• Crisis as Initiation: Health breakdowns and life disruptions can serve as powerful invitations back to purpose and authenticity.

• Philosophy as a Lived Practice: Philosophy is not theory. It is a way of engaging life, suffering, and leadership with depth and clarity.

• Doing the Opposite: Many leadership and wellbeing challenges are eased by resisting hustle culture and embracing slowness, patience, and presence.

• Asking Better Questions: Transformation begins not with answers but with reframing the questions we ask ourselves.

• Unoptimized Time Matters: Solitude, boredom, awe, and walking without goals create space for wisdom and creativity to emerge.

• Environment Shapes Behavior: Much modern anxiety and burnout stem from environments misaligned with human nature.

In This Episode:

• [00:00] Opening reflections and Rodney’s early realization about toughness

• [01:24] Introduction to Dr. Rodney King and his global journey

• [04:11] Growing up in poverty and discovering martial arts

• [08:18] Military service and early leadership formation

• [09:58] Building a global martial arts practice

• [12:34] Health crisis, CTE-like symptoms, and identity collapse

• [15:01] Recovery, reflection, and returning to philosophy

• [17:36] Philosophy, martial arts, and the hero’s journey

• [23:24] Coaching through questions rather than answers

• [27:28] Meaning-making during crisis

• [31:08] Nature, solitude, and unoptimized practices

• [36:00] Awe, walking, and embodied wisdom

• [41:30] Modern culture, burnout

• [44:47] Doing the opposite as a leadership rebellion

[50:52] Rodney’s work, resources, and closing reflections
Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Rodney King

• https://www.linkedin.com/in/coachrodneyking/

• https://www.coachingphilosophia.org

• https://www.coachingphilosophia.life

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What’s the right way to bring spirituality into workplace conversations when everyone comes from different cultures and comfort levels? Is culture really the problem, or is it more about our ability to adapt and communicate in ways people can genuinely receive? And what about leaders who make tough decisions from a spiritual place, like keeping a 50-year-old who may never find another job while letting go of younger employees who can recover quickly–and even supporting them in finding new roles?

In this episode, Andrew Cohn speaks with William Miller, co-founder of Values Centered Innovation and long-time explorer of the intersection between spirituality, creativity, and corporate leadership. Miller traces his journey back to a pivotal moment in the 1980s when mystical literature unexpectedly illuminated his work in innovation. That spark, he explains, revealed spirituality, business, and creativity as “facets of a single jewel,” a realization that has guided his work for four decades. He describes how ancient wisdom traditions, including the Bhagavad Gita, informed research on what energizes innovation, revealing three universal motivators: intention, connection, and action. These insights helped Miller develop practical models, such as his “creative journey” process, that cultivate psychological safety, courage, and authentic human connection within organizations.

The conversation also explores cultural nuances in discussing spirituality at work, stories of leaders who ground tough decisions in compassion, and the shift from profit-first business models toward purpose-driven ones. Miller introduces his current project, Reclaiming the Soul of Leadership, a program that helps leaders explore their spiritual foundations, express them through values-based leadership, and foster communities rooted in wisdom and love.

Key Takeaways

• Spirituality, innovation, and leadership are deeply interconnected.

• Psychological safety grows when individuals feel seen and valued beyond their roles.

• Cultural context shapes how spiritual conversations can be introduced.

• Compassionate leadership fosters trust and can drive organizational transformation.

• Business is shifting from shareholder value to a broader focus on stakeholder wellbeing.

• Spiritual leadership comes from responding with calm rather than reacting from fear.

• True leadership development begins with inner exploration and reconnecting with the soul.

In This Episode:

• [01:26] Introduction to William Miller

• [03:43] William Miller's journey

• [04:55] The intersection of spirituality and business

• [09:03] Implementing spirituality in corporate work

• [18:56] Cultural perspectives on spiritual conversations

• [19:07] Spiritual conversations being easier in some cultures compared to others

• [20:15] Telling the story and the  think, act, innovation process

• [25:27] The control game and spiritual deficits

• [26:00] The notion of unconditional love in Christian tradition

• [27:13] Spirituality’s role in leadership behavior

• [27:48] Research on spirituality among executives

• [28:30] Case study: Lars Colon's turnaround at Oticon

• [32:47] Purpose of business: from shareholder wealth to stakeholder wellbeing

• [35:38] Making a clear distinction between spirituality and religion

• [38:09] Reclaiming the soul of leadership

• [43:55] The spiritual path in leadership

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

William Miller

• Website: https://consciousleadershipacademy.org/ / https://vci.global

• The Guild website:https://clgleaders.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/williamcmillervci

• Book: The Art of Spiritual Leadership in Business

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

What if the key to better leadership wasn't about working harder, but about understanding a deeper, often ignored, inner hunger? What if the stress, reactivity, and burnout so common in leadership are actually symptoms of a spiritual and emotional famine?

In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn sits down with Dr. Adrienne Youdim, a weight loss physician and mind-body medicine practitioner, to explore the concept of "inner hunger." Dr. Adrienne argues that beneath the surface of our busy lives and professional ambitions lies a universal hunger for validation, autonomy, respite, and self-compassion. When left unmet, we try to feed these hungers with distractions like overworking, people-pleasing, or perfectionism, leading to a cycle of stress and disconnection.

Drawing from her new book, Hungry for More, and her own journey from a high-achieving "white coat" physician to a holistic practitioner, Dr. Adrienne makes a compelling case that leadership requires a foundational practice of self-awareness and self-care. She shares powerful, practical tools—from conscious breathing to body scanning—that literally change our physiology, quiet the noise, and allow us to access the "deep down" wisdom we all possess.

This episode is an invitation to pause, recognize your own hungers, and learn how feeding them is not self-indulgent, but essential for clear-headed, intentional, and sustainable leadership

Key Takeaways

• The Second Hunger Beyond physical cravings lies an emotional and spiritual hunger, unmet needs that drive behavior and often lead us away from what we value.

• Hunger as a Messenger Adrienne encourages leaning in to hunger as information, a signal pointing toward what is missing or neglected.

• Agency as a Spiritual Practice Personal agency, the ability to direct one’s life, is closely linked to spirituality because it anchors empowerment and meaning.

• The Power of the Pause Breathing, walking, journaling, and stillness help create space between trigger and reaction, a key to accessing inner wisdom.

• The Physiology of Stress Chronic stress shuts down clear thinking and creativity. Simple practices like breathwork or body relaxation directly reset the nervous system.

• Universal Hunger After thousands of patient encounters, Adrienne observed that inner hunger is universal across age, profession, culture, and status.

• Creating Time for What You Value Time for well-being is not found. It is created. Personal health directly supports professional and relational health.

  
  

  In This Episode:

  • [00:01] Introduction to emotional and spiritual hunger

  • [04:21] Dr. Youdim’s background and upbringing

  • [06:07] Agency, empowerment, and spirituality

  • [09:21] Understanding and redirecting hunger

  • [10:08] Types of hunger and neglecting needs

  • [12:07] Spiritual hunger defined

  • [14:53] Practical barriers to stillness

  • [18:54] Tactics for accessing stillness

  • [20:57] Breathing and physiological regulation

  • [24:28] Stress response and leadership function

  • [28:17] Guided relaxation and body awareness

  • [32:55] Personal story: perfectionism and achievement

  • [36:56] Integrating science, experience, and spirituality

  • [39:19] Time, value, and well-being

  • [41:05] Teachable moments and external triggers

  • [43:25] Conclusion and resources

  
  

  Resources and Links

  Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

  • https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

  
  

  Dr. Adrienne Youdim

  • Website:https://www.dradrienneyoudim.com/

  • Email: [email protected]

  • Book: Hungry for More: Stories and Science to Inspire Weight Loss from the Inside Out

  • TEDx Talk: Your Hunger is the Key to Understanding Your Unmet Needs

  
  

  Andrew Cohn

  • Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

  • LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

  
  

  Music: 

  • Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

  
  

What if the secret to becoming an unstoppable leader in this chaotic and noisy world wasn’t about pushing harder, but about slowing down long enough to hear that still, small voice inside you? In this episode of Spirituality in Leadership, host Andrew Cohn chats with Dacia Moore, a transformational speaker, counselor, and former nonprofit executive director who knows firsthand what it means to lead from a place of faith and renewal.

Dacia opens up about her journey from the corporate and education worlds into the mental health space, where she found her true calling to help others move from burnout to breakthrough. She also shares insights from her inspiring book From Stuck to Unstoppable, where she guides readers to overcome fear, rediscover purpose, and build the courage to move forward with faith and clarity.

Throughout the conversation, Dacia introduces her C.L.E.A.R. framework: Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, and Replace. It’s a practical tool that helps leaders reconnect with who they are, silence the noise, and lead with authenticity. She and Andrew also talk about the value of “margin time,” those quiet, intentional pauses that allow us to step back, reflect, and make wiser decisions.

This episode is a heartfelt reminder that leadership isn’t just about doing more. It’s about creating space to listen, grow, and let your inner wisdom lead the way.

Key Takeaways

• Spiritual Awakening Through Adversity: Dacia’s divorce became the catalyst for her spiritual and professional rebirth, inspiring her to help others navigate pain with faith and purpose.

• Faith as a North Star: Integrity, consistency, and inner guidance, what she calls listening to the Holy Spirit, are the foundation of resilient leadership.

• Leadership is an Inside Job: Your internal state, managing burnout, self-doubt, and overwhelm, directly impacts your effectiveness and the well-being of your team.

• Listen to Your Inner Voice: Whether you call it the Holy Spirit, intuition, or a gut feeling, learning to heed that "still, small voice" is a non-negotiable skill for wise decision-making.

• The CLEAR Framework: Dacia’s CLEAR framework (Clarify, Learn, Expose, Align, Replace) guides leaders to assess where they are, unlearn limiting beliefs, and cultivate habits that align with abundance and authenticity.

In This Episode:

• [00:01] Dacia’s early career in hospitality and sales

• [00:28] Transition to mental health and education

• [01:01] Podcast introduction

• [03:10] Dacia’s leadership background and family influence

• [04:42] Lessons on leadership styles and personal growth

• [07:21] Professional journey: retail, hospitality, education, nonprofit

• [09:05] Entering the mental health nonprofit sector

• [12:07] Spirituality and integrity in leadership

• [13:39] Burnout, listening to inner voice, and career transitions

• [15:50] Inclusivity in spirituality and the inner voice

• [19:15] Rediscovering self and purpose

• [21:32] Current work: coaching, consulting, and book

• [24:28] The journey from stuck to unstoppable

• [29:00] The CLEAR framework for leadership development

• [31:57] Resources and ways to connect

• [33:20] Nonprofit sector challenges and hope

• [36:16] The importance of discernment and inner wisdom

• [36:45] Practical spirituality and quieting the mind

• [38:39] Tactics for breaking out of busyness

• [41:35] Closing remarks and contact information

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• ⁠https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406⁠

Dacia Moore

• Website:⁠https://www.secondwindcc.com/⁠

• Personal Site:⁠https://www.daciamoore.com/⁠

• Newsletter:⁠ https://www.swsnippet.com/⁠

• LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/daciamooreswcc⁠

• Book:⁠ From Stuck to Unstoppable⁠

Andrew Cohn

• Website: ⁠https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/⁠

• LinkedIn: ⁠https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/⁠

Music: 

• Kodiak: ⁠https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe⁠

Have you ever walked into a room and instantly felt the energy shift before a single word was spoken? What if leadership isn’t just about what you say or do, but the energy you broadcast every day?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, Andrew Cohn sits down with executive coach Anna Pool to explore the true frequency of leadership and how our internal state quietly shapes every meeting, decision, and connection. Anna’s story is extraordinary. She spent 20 years in an ashram devoted to meditation, yoga, and service before her spiritual community collapsed under the weight of betrayal. That loss became her greatest teacher, leading her from the ashram to the boardroom, where she now helps leaders embody authentic, energetic presence.

Together, they unpack Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness and what it reveals about courage, fear, and the “green zone” of leadership, where creativity and clarity thrive. Anna shares how awareness and intention can transform not only your leadership, but the very atmosphere around you.

It’s a fascinating look at how to lead with your energy, not just your words, and why what you broadcast matters more than you think.

Key Takeaways

• Your Energy Precedes You: Leaders are constantly broadcasting an emotional frequency that directly impacts team morale, engagement, and psychological safety.

• The Map of Consciousness: A visual model for understanding emotional states, from reactive, low-frequency zones (shame, fear, anger) to creative, high-frequency zones (courage, acceptance, love).

• Courage is the Threshold: Effective, purposeful leadership becomes consistently accessible at the level of "Courage," where we move from reactivity to possibility and choice.

• Non-Judgmental Self-Awareness is Key: The most critical skill for spiritual and leadership growth is the ability to observe your own state without criticism, creating space for conscious change.

• Practical Resets Work: Simple interventions like brief guided meditations or "green zone exercises" can quickly shift a group's energy, leading to more productive and insightful outcomes.

• Executive Presence Reimagined: The elusive quality of "executive presence" is deeply connected to one's ability to broadcast calm, confident, and creative frequencies.

In This Episode:

• [00:01] Anna’s ashram years and early awakening

• [04:44] What led her to drop out of college and join the community

• [08:41] Roles and leadership within the ashram

• [09:51] Marriage, vows, and challenges of communal life

• [10:49] The scandal that changed everything

• [12:57] Transitioning from ashram life to professional coaching

• [16:07] Discovering Dr. David Hawkins’ Map of Consciousness

• [20:42] The importance of non-judgmental self-awareness

• [23:36] Connecting spiritual insight to corporate leadership

• [24:48] The “green zone” and the courage frequency

• [30:38] Feeling versus thinking, how emotion drives energy

• [33:09] How leaders broadcast energy and influence others

• [36:13] Introducing spirituality in business without alienating teams

• [38:18] Redefining executive presence through vibrational leadership

• [41:17] Anna’s book on possibility thinking

• [42:21] The “green zone” mindfulness exercise

• [43:31] Why energy work belongs in every leadership toolkit

• [45:07] Where to find and connect with Anna

Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406

Anna Pool

• Website:https://executivesavvyinc.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/anna-pool-26a61110/

• Book: Creating Futures That Matter: Facilitating Change Through Shared Vision

Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/

Referenced 

• David Hawkins — Map of Consciousness Explained

Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe

Have you ever stopped to ask yourself why you think the way you think? Or what drives the choices you make every day in your work, your relationships, your leadership?

In this episode of the Spirituality in Leadership podcast, host Andrew Cohn speaks with Pablo Sillas Domínguez, a human relations executive and author of Heartset. Pablo shares his powerful personal journey from being a successful but workaholic HR director, whom he describes as the "wolf" of his own family, to embarking on a profound spiritual and transformational path.

The catalyst for this change was a pivotal question from a coach: "Do you know why you think the way you think?" This launched Pablo on a years-long journey of introspection, unlearning, and integrating his reason with his emotions and intuition. He explains that this personal awakening mirrors a larger societal issue, where a hyper-competitive, ego-driven mindset has led to widespread stress and disconnection.

Pablo introduces key concepts from his book, including "field thoughts," (the fusion of feeling and thinking), "charisms," (spiritual gifts), and “meditaction,” (combining meditation with action for the common good). He argues for bringing vulnerability and our whole selves into the workplace, moving from seeing people as disposable resources to recognizing them as indispensable individuals. The conversation offers a practical and aspirational framework for leaders to cultivate purpose, meaning, and healthier organizations.

Key Takeaways

• From ego to essence: Real transformation begins by asking honest questions about why we think and feel the way we do.

• Three pillars of being: Growth requires balance between reason, emotion, and intuition.

• The Heartset framework: Shifting from competition to awareness creates space for genuine connection and shared purpose.

• Unlearning to become: Letting go of old patterns and roles reveals authenticity and freedom.

• Vulnerability as strength: Honest openness builds empathy, trust, and deeper relationships in the workplace.

• Field thoughts and tharisms: Spiritual practices that turn personal growth into collective uplift.

• Meditation in action: True mindfulness lives in behavior, not just reflection.

In This Episode:

• [00:01] Pablo’s awakening and spiritual transformation
• [03:27] Early career, success, and lessons from overwork
• [06:45] Realizing the cost of ego-driven ambition
• [08:15] The question that changed everything
• [10:01] Learning to feel, listen, and grow through awareness
• [12:25] The system and cultural conditioning of the ego
• [14:13] The missing half of human competencies
• [16:30] The path from ego to self to integration
• [18:14] Understanding “tharisms” and spiritual gifts
• [20:47] Unlearning to be yourself
• [23:10] Living authenticity within corporate systems
• [25:20] Vulnerability and seniority as mature leadership
• [28:26] Building trust through empathy
• [32:10] Introducing “field thoughts” and new paradigms for culture
• [39:19] Meditation and the call to act with awareness
• [42:11] Music, food, and creativity as channels for connection
• [45:12] Where to find Pablo’s book and playlists
• [46:23] Closing reflections
  Resources and Links

Spirituality in Leadership Podcast

• https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/spirituality-in-leadership/id1713365406




Pablo Sillas Domínguez

• Website: https://pablosillas.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/pablosillas/?locale=en_US

• Book by Pablo Sillas Domínguez: Heartset: The Renaissance 2.0 of Sapiens and Conscious Organizations

• Heartset: https://a.co/d/2Z0MqN6




Andrew Cohn

• Website: https://www.spiritualityinleadership.com/

• LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/andrewcohnusa/




Music: 

• Kodiak: https://open.spotify.com/artist/4rURKtnJr3jeHvZ0IVRQCe